Are There Any "Conservatives" Here Who Refuse to Vote McCain?

[TheGlobalizer]

I'm more Libertarian than Conservative, but I do identify with the Conservative movement (more the Reagan end of the timeline than the Bush end).  I've never voted for a Democrat, and usually vote Republican if there is no Libertarian.  Voted for a Green once just to spite the big two.

As of today, my vote is for Obama.  My reasoning is twofold.  First, he's a bona fide leader.  Say what you want about experience and all that, the guy has a commanding presence, and it's more than just charisma.

Second, I strongly agree with his foreign policy approach.  Nixon went to China; Reagan talked with the Soviets.

My objection to Obama is on economic issues, but I don't think the difference there is great enough to overcome the other two issues, which are far more pressing and militate strongly in Obama's favor for me.

[King]

While the anti-McCain Republicans don't want Obama or Clinton, they might be so anti-this election that they just don't vote.  And if they don't vote, McCain will have to roll the dice on incredibly low turnout to win.

[TheGlobalizer]

Turnout is the major GOP problem in this election.

[Stranger in a strange land]

Agreed.  And like I said earlier, what McCain might lose from these far-right voters, he'll pick up in the monderate voters.

which will be a disaster for Republicans in down-ballot races. The right-wingers who aren't showing up would likely have voted straight-ticket Republican, while many of these independents and moderates will vote democratic in senate, congressional, and state-wide races.

[Duke 🇺🇸]

I think when it's all said and done, McCain will do just fine. Obama will unite the GOP with some strange tactic .. his wife will help too.

[classical liberal]

I'm sure that there will be a lot of folks who vote against the Democrats, rather than for McCain

[Lincoln Republican]

McCain definitely has my wholehearted support.

[Democratic Hawk]

I doubt there will be many among conservative voters at large, most of whom are Republicans anyway, who won't vote for McCain against Clinton or Obama.  As we've seen from the furore over the New York Times story, even some of the most vitriolic of McCain's critics on the right have lept to his defense. It's probably the infidelity insinuation more than anything else

Yep, the New York Times has done what McCain was having some difficulty doing, literally, overnight - uniting conseraive Republicans behind him [I won't be thanking them for it]

For the most part, the only conservatives who won't vote for McCain will be those who aren't Republicans

Were I a conservative 'Republican', I'd have 'endorsed' McCain but I ain't . I'm a moderate 'Democrat'

Dave

[CARLHAYDEN]

I doubt there will be many among conservative voters at large, most of whom are Republicans anyway, who won't vote for McCain against Clinton or Obama.  As we've seen from the furore over the New York Times story, even some of the most vitriolic of McCain's critics on the right have lept to his defense. It's probably the infidelity insinuation more than anything else

Yep, the New York Times has done what McCain was having some difficulty doing, literally, overnight - uniting conseraive Republicans behind him [I won't be thanking them for it]

For the most part, the only conservatives who won't vote for McCain will be those who aren't Republicans

Were I a conservative 'Republican', I'd have 'endorsed' McCain but I ain't . I'm a moderate 'Democrat'

Dave

Is its McCain's dedication to keeping American troops in Iraq for 100 years which makes you think conservative Republicans support hi?  Most conservative Republicans I know want to win and get out of that hell hole.

Perhaps it is McCain's support for higher taxes that makes you think conservative Republicans support him.  Most conservative Republicans I know are for lower, not higher taxes.

Or maybe you think that McCain's support for Amnesty for illegal aliens is really popular among conservative Republicans.

I could go on and on and on with examples, but will simply suggest that you take the time to look at the exist polls.  McCain has consistently done poorer among self-identified Republicans than Independents or Democrats (who in some states were allowed to vote in the Republican primaries), and better among self-identified liberals than among self-identified conservatives.  Perhaps they know some things that you don't.

[Democratic Hawk]

I doubt there will be many among conservative voters at large, most of whom are Republicans anyway, who won't vote for McCain against Clinton or Obama.  As we've seen from the furore over the New York Times story, even some of the most vitriolic of McCain's critics on the right have lept to his defense. It's probably the infidelity insinuation more than anything else

Yep, the New York Times has done what McCain was having some difficulty doing, literally, overnight - uniting conseraive Republicans behind him [I won't be thanking them for it]

For the most part, the only conservatives who won't vote for McCain will be those who aren't Republicans

Were I a conservative 'Republican', I'd have 'endorsed' McCain but I ain't . I'm a moderate 'Democrat'

Dave

Is its McCain's dedication to keeping American troops in Iraq for 100 years which makes you think conservative Republicans support hi?  Most conservative Republicans I know want to win and get out of that hell hole.

Perhaps it is McCain's support for higher taxes that makes you think conservative Republicans support him.  Most conservative Republicans I know are for lower, not higher taxes.

Or maybe you think that McCain's support for Amnesty for illegal aliens is really popular among conservative Republicans.

I could go on and on and on with examples, but will simply suggest that you take the time to look at the exist polls.  McCain has consistently done poorer among self-identified Republicans than Independents or Democrats (who in some states were allowed to vote in the Republican primaries), and better among self-identified liberals than among self-identified conservatives.  Perhaps they know some things that you don't.

Carl,

I know conservatives have issues with McCain and that he has struggled among conservatives, especially the 'very' conservatives, but in all seriousness come November, where are they going to go? I don't see conservative Republicans falling over themselves to ensure Obama or Clinton win

Dave

[CARLHAYDEN]

I doubt there will be many among conservative voters at large, most of whom are Republicans anyway, who won't vote for McCain against Clinton or Obama.  As we've seen from the furore over the New York Times story, even some of the most vitriolic of McCain's critics on the right have lept to his defense. It's probably the infidelity insinuation more than anything else

Yep, the New York Times has done what McCain was having some difficulty doing, literally, overnight - uniting conseraive Republicans behind him [I won't be thanking them for it]

For the most part, the only conservatives who won't vote for McCain will be those who aren't Republicans

Were I a conservative 'Republican', I'd have 'endorsed' McCain but I ain't . I'm a moderate 'Democrat'

Dave

Is its McCain's dedication to keeping American troops in Iraq for 100 years which makes you think conservative Republicans support hi?  Most conservative Republicans I know want to win and get out of that hell hole.

Perhaps it is McCain's support for higher taxes that makes you think conservative Republicans support him.  Most conservative Republicans I know are for lower, not higher taxes.

Or maybe you think that McCain's support for Amnesty for illegal aliens is really popular among conservative Republicans.

I could go on and on and on with examples, but will simply suggest that you take the time to look at the exist polls.  McCain has consistently done poorer among self-identified Republicans than Independents or Democrats (who in some states were allowed to vote in the Republican primaries), and better among self-identified liberals than among self-identified conservatives.  Perhaps they know some things that you don't.

Carl,

I know conservatives have issues with McCain and that he has struggled among conservatives, especially the 'very' conservatives, but in all seriousness come November, where are they going to go? I don't see conservative Republicans falling over themselves to ensure Obama or Clinton win

Dave

Its really rather simple, a President McCain is more likely to implement the liberal agenda than a President Obama or Clinton as Republicans in Congress would have no reluctance whatsoever to oppose policies proposed by Obama or Clinton, but, a significant number would reluctantly support the same measures proposed by a President McCain.

I previously noted how the tax increase supported by President George H. W. Bush had significant Republican support in Congress (a slight majority in the Senate) while the tax increase three years latter proposed by Clinton had NO Republican support in Congress.

Finally, all the shoes have not dropped yet.  We do not know all the candidates yet.

Remember what happened when the elder Bush when he betrayed his promise on taxes?

Well, McCain has repeatedly stuck his finer in conservatives eyes with great glee.

[NDN]

Perhaps it is McCain's support for higher taxes that makes you think conservative Republicans support him.  Most conservative Republicans I know are for lower, not higher taxes.

McCain has changed his position on the tax cuts.

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He doesn't favor amnesty. Amnesty implies forgiveness with nothing asked. McCain's laxest proposals involved fines, limitations, and expensive visas. He also voted for the fence.

I'm no fan of McCain obviously but I don't think those two attacks are fair.

[CARLHAYDEN]

Perhaps it is McCain's support for higher taxes that makes you think conservative Republicans support him.  Most conservative Republicans I know are for lower, not higher taxes.

McCain has changed his position on the tax cuts.

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He doesn't favor amnesty. Amnesty implies forgiveness with nothing asked. McCain's laxest proposals involved fines, limitations, and expensive visas. He also voted for the fence.

I'm no fan of McCain obviously but I don't think those two attacks are fair.

First, McCain has merely verbally stated he doesn't at the moment support higher taxes.  The truth is that he does support higher taxes and declined to sign a pledge not to increase taxes.

Second, McCain does favor amnesty.  I cited a newspaper article where he admitted it.  Now he is claiming that if there is any fine, its not amnesty.  The truth is that under McCain-Kennedy, persons already under deportation orders would be allowed to stay. 

Third, there is no fence.  Instead we are going to have a "virtual fence" which does nothing whatsoever to stop illegal entry.

Fourth, , have you ever met or spoken with McCain?  Do you know any of his associates? 

Fifth, do you believe that George H. W. Bush kept his promise (read my lips)?

 

[NDN]

First, McCain has merely verbally stated he doesn't at the moment support higher taxes.  The truth is that he does support higher taxes and declined to sign a pledge not to increase taxes.

He voted to extend the Bush Tax Cuts. That suggests that he favors the status quo, at least for the next four years.

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It did require a fine. McCain-Kennedy authorized H-5B nonimmigrant status for undocumented aliens present in the United States who met specified requirements and paid a fine. The equally doomed 2007 immigration bill contained similar provisions. No one was talking about blanket amnesty like, say, Jimmy Carter or the lunatics at Amnesty International were/are.

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Unfortunately this is true, but I recall seeing that he HAD supported the fence after much arm wrangling.

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Obviously not.

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No, although given the circumstances I believe his decision was justified. The democrats wouldn't have agreed to any cuts without some corresponding tax increases.

[CARLHAYDEN]

Well, lets see, McCain voted twice against the Bush tax cuts, and now that he's a candidate for the Presidency, once for extending those cuts.  He verbally says he doesn't favor a tax increase but adamantly refuses to put that pledge in writing. 

As to the supposed fine, its purely theoretical.  First you get the amnesty, and you promise someday to maybe make some payment, possibly.  And yes, they are talking blanket amnesty as McCain-Kennedy would have allowed persons already under orders for deportation to remain!

Yes, I am not suprised that you favor tax increases and breaking pledges.  I guess that's why you really like McCain. 

Finally, I must admit I have met with McCain on several occasions, and regretfully note I voted for the arrogant S.O.B. on a couple of occasions.  I've learned not to trust the conman.

[agcatter]

Conservatives only have two real choices.   Vote against Obama (thus a vote for his opponent who happens to be McCain) or not vote at all.  Hell of a choice isn't it.

[NDN]

Well, lets see, McCain voted twice against the Bush tax cuts, and now that he's a candidate for the Presidency, once for extending those cuts.  He verbally says he doesn't favor a tax increase but adamantly refuses to put that pledge in writing. 

Voting to extend something he previously opposed still counts for a change in position. I have no doubts that he did so for political expedience.

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Some people, not all. Most of those would have been enrolled in the temporary guest worker program, which wouldn't give them automatic citizenship. And some would have had to pay thousands to get the much maligned Z Visas. I'm not thrilled with either of the two bills they proposed, believe it or not. Personally I think that guest worker programs are just a revolving door scheme to give businesses cheap disposable labor. BUT I think it's absolutely false to call either the 2005 or 2007 acts 'amnesty.'

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Apparently you haven't noticed my sig, I would never vote for him for President.

My position on taxation is simple: If you want services, pay for them. If you aren't going to cut spending, don't cut taxes except in absolute emergencies. You'll just wind up paying more for it later on. Frankly, I think we should have had a balanced budget amendment passed years ago.

[Spaghetti Cat]

I'm not thrilled about Walnuts, but I'll support him.

[The Man From G.O.P.]

I voted early today for him.

[CARLHAYDEN]

Well, lets see, McCain voted twice against the Bush tax cuts, and now that he's a candidate for the Presidency, once for extending those cuts.  He verbally says he doesn't favor a tax increase but adamantly refuses to put that pledge in writing. 

Voting to extend something he previously opposed still counts for a change in position. I have no doubts that he did so for political expedience.

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Some people, not all. Most of those would have been enrolled in the temporary guest worker program, which wouldn't give them automatic citizenship. And some would have had to pay thousands to get the much maligned Z Visas. I'm not thrilled with either of the two bills they proposed, believe it or not. Personally I think that guest worker programs are just a revolving door scheme to give businesses cheap disposable labor. BUT I think it's absolutely false to call either the 2005 or 2007 acts 'amnesty.'

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Apparently you haven't noticed my sig, I would never vote for him for President.

My position on taxation is simple: If you want services, pay for them. If you aren't going to cut spending, don't cut taxes except in absolute emergencies. You'll just wind up paying more for it later on. Frankly, I think we should have had a balanced budget amendment passed years ago.

First, McCain is only temporarily pretending to oppose tax increases.  He is a fraud.  If elected President (god forbid), we will have a massive tax increase.

I don't know where you get your information on McCain-Kennedy, but I took the time to read the bill  (over 700 pages) and your interpretations are really bizzarre.

No, those granted amnesty would NOT be enrolled in a guest worker program!!!!  Most of them would have been given a Z visa.