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Question: Who had a Better night on Feb. 5th Obama or Clinton?
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Filuwaúrdjan
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« on: February 06, 2008, 03:54:20 AM »

Clinton, but not overwhelmingly.
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Filuwaúrdjan
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« Reply #1 on: February 06, 2008, 09:02:10 AM »

He couldn't have won Michigan.
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Filuwaúrdjan
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« Reply #2 on: February 06, 2008, 04:03:31 PM »

Are we all...



...having fun?
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Filuwaúrdjan
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« Reply #3 on: February 06, 2008, 04:11:30 PM »

He did, however, lose two states that should have gone his way--two states that were polling his way, and were expected to go his way:  California and New Jersey.

Not a single poll in over a year had Obama winning New Jersey.  The average of every poll since February 1st was a 6 point lead for Clinton.

There was that supposed last minute surge for Obama.
Yeah well, "New Jersey for Clinton" was still of news value comparable to "DC for Kerry" in the 2004 general to the uninformed observer. Really, there'd be few states she has less business losing.

Worth noting that Clinton's poll numbers never really fell in New Jersey, even if her leads did.
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Filuwaúrdjan
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« Reply #4 on: February 06, 2008, 04:45:30 PM »

I think that our new friend is so special that he deserves a toy all of his own:

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Filuwaúrdjan
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« Reply #5 on: February 06, 2008, 04:53:29 PM »

California was considered a toss-up, and ended up a bit more solid for Clinton than expected.  Result: a small public victory for Clinton.

Elsewhere, a small public victory for Obama thanks to the overall state wins, the "we've surged in a few months" argument, Missouri and Connecticut.

Most importantly, all of the news coverage was of a tie.  Some news sources focused on Obama winning more states (and probably more delegates); others focused on Clinton's California win.  There were no big news stories either way, even from the sensationalist newspapers.  That says a lot.

This is really not a big public perception deal either way, and I'm amazed that the Clinton and Obama die-hards are spinning it that way.  Man, you guys are really true believers, both in the American public and your candidates.

I'm reminded of the fact that even in the 1950's (in Britain, btw) it was estimated that about a third of the population had no real knowledge of or interest in current events. And this a time in which turnout at general elections here hovered around 80%.
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« Reply #6 on: February 06, 2008, 08:34:20 PM »

People are generally both more intelligent and less well informed than the political and media classes like to think.
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Filuwaúrdjan
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« Reply #7 on: February 06, 2008, 08:45:16 PM »

People are generally both more intelligent and less well informed than the political and media classes like to think.

Well, intelligence is irrelevant here.

What's relevant is:

1. Ability to analyze political results realistically
2. Keeping up with said political results

In both cases, the average American fails much too miserably for last night to mean much.

Like I said, most people are even less well-informed about politics than we (ie; all those inside some form of political bubble) realise.
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« Reply #8 on: February 07, 2008, 01:22:01 PM »


Non. In the end nothing matters less.
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« Reply #9 on: February 07, 2008, 04:52:29 PM »

Why do people on this site still have the ridiculous idea that Howard Dean is any more than a puppet head of the DNC?

Faith
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Filuwaúrdjan
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« Reply #10 on: February 07, 2008, 08:17:28 PM »


What sort of people care about who's winning or losing the spin war? Think.

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If that were true Obama would have won a landslide in New Hampshire.
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