Who had a Better night Obama or Clinton?

[Kalimantan]

http://commentisfree.guardian.co.uk/gary_younge/2008/02/during_the_entire_week_that.html

Last night Obama performed well. Were it not for the fact that a raft of commentators had once again been believing their own hype, the night would even have been regarded as a victory for him.

For the last few months he has been trailing across the country. For the last few days he has been catching up. Much like New Hampshire, the fact that he was even competitive was diminished by the fact that he didn't win. When all the votes are counted he will have held his own in the northeastern states and fared excellently in the Midwest. At the time of writing California is still too close to call. In all likelihood he will lose. The fact in itself would have been remarkable this time last week.

For the last month now we have seen poll-happy pundits mistake their own fantasy for fact. So excited by the possibility of an Obama victory that they lose all sense of themselves and their credibility. Not for the first time, Obama is doing far better than anyone expected. And not for the first time, the pundits are faring worse.

[Kalimantan]

Obama underperformed compared to the huge hype, undoubtedly. And if he had taken one of CA, MA or NJ, that could have been the end of Clinton. Equally she could have finished Obama - but as it turned out, it was a tie.

Another way of looking at it, is that the polls average, as posted on this site, predicted Obama to win two states, Clinton 11 with nine toss-ups. Obama held both of his two, won four of Clinton's and won the toss-up states 7-1, with NM still to call. All-in-all, not a bad night for Obama! Its only the fact that the one toss-up she took just happened to be California, that keeps things even.

meanwhile, the big hispanic states are largely out of the way, as are Clinton's 'home states' in the NE. The two big exceptions are TX and PA, however, which means it will all come down to super-delegates at the convention ......

[Kalimantan]

Seconds out, Round 8!

I find ghost monkey's arguments quite good, but I then I lean Obama. However that Clinton quote is out of context of the argument, which is whether she would withdraw now. In fact I think she justifies her vote for the war well, insofar as she was fed the lie by the crook Bush that Hussein still had WMD.


ding ding...

[Kalimantan]

Clinton.  She got more delegates

Well, they haven't all been counted yet but the prediction is that he will end up with slightly more on the night to go with the delegate lead he already had. But we won't know until all the results are in, tomorrow maybe. Also, most of the news stations are adding the committed superdelegates into the total, which is a bit disingenuous of them.