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WalterMitty
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« on: January 12, 2008, 12:45:39 PM »

what if sam ervin, in his post watergate fame, would have run for the democrat nomination in 1976?

yes i know the drawbacks, his age, opposition to civil rights etc...

but can someone think of a good scenario?
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« Reply #1 on: January 12, 2008, 01:00:34 PM »

Ervin was 80 years old in 1976.  There is no way that he would have run for President.
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« Reply #2 on: January 12, 2008, 01:37:17 PM »

Ervin was 80 years old in 1976.  There is no way that he would have run for President.

My thought exactly.
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« Reply #3 on: January 12, 2008, 04:19:15 PM »

well brtd cant run against castro for president but we discuss that.

this is make believe.  use some imagination.

there have been several old men run for president, like alben barkley.
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« Reply #4 on: January 12, 2008, 04:27:27 PM »

there have been several old men run for president, like alben barkley.

But Barkley was not really though of as a serious contender because of his age.  The only candidate we have ever had to run for the first time when they were over 70 is McCain.
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« Reply #5 on: January 12, 2008, 05:17:11 PM »

there have been several old men run for president, like alben barkley.

But Barkley was not really though of as a serious contender because of his age.  The only candidate we have ever had to run for the first time when they were over 70 is McCain.

how old was john nance garner in 1940?
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« Reply #6 on: January 12, 2008, 07:00:20 PM »
« Edited: January 12, 2008, 07:04:53 PM by Reagan Republican »

there have been several old men run for president, like alben barkley.

But Barkley was not really though of as a serious contender because of his age.  The only candidate we have ever had to run for the first time when they were over 70 is McCain.

how old was john nance garner in 1940?

Garner was seventy two years old at that time.
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« Reply #7 on: January 13, 2008, 01:41:07 PM »

there have been several old men run for president, like alben barkley.

But Barkley was not really though of as a serious contender because of his age.  The only candidate we have ever had to run for the first time when they were over 70 is McCain.

how old was john nance garner in 1940?

Garner was seventy two years old at that time.

But, Garner's threat was not all that serious, just like Barkley in '52.
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« Reply #8 on: January 13, 2008, 03:04:01 PM »

there have been several old men run for president, like alben barkley.

But Barkley was not really though of as a serious contender because of his age.  The only candidate we have ever had to run for the first time when they were over 70 is McCain.

how old was john nance garner in 1940?

Garner was seventy two years old at that time.

But, Garner's threat was not all that serious, just like Barkley in '52.

Garner, like many others, thought he had a real good shot at the nomination until FDR's intentions were indirectly expressed.
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« Reply #9 on: January 13, 2008, 05:28:03 PM »

Unfortunately for the Democrats, after nominating Ervin, here's what happens in the election.

President Geralf Ford of Michigan/Senator Bob Dole of Kansas                  473
Senator Sam Ervin of North Carolina/Senator Frank Church of Idaho           65

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« Reply #10 on: January 13, 2008, 05:30:30 PM »

Unfortunately for the Democrats, after nominating Ervin, here's what happens in the election.

President Geralf Ford of Michigan/Senator Bob Dole of Kansas                  473
Senator Sam Ervin of North Carolina/Senator Frank Church of Idaho           65



First of all, Ervin would not lost any Southern states.  Second of all, he would never get nominated.  He was 80 years old!  He would get killed in every primary, and even if the nomination went to the convention, he would not get any support outside of the South.
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« Reply #11 on: January 13, 2008, 06:26:52 PM »

Unfortunately for the Democrats, after nominating Ervin, here's what happens in the election.

President Geralf Ford of Michigan/Senator Bob Dole of Kansas                  473
Senator Sam Ervin of North Carolina/Senator Frank Church of Idaho           65



First of all, Ervin would not lost any Southern states.  Second of all, he would never get nominated.  He was 80 years old!  He would get killed in every primary, and even if the nomination went to the convention, he would not get any support outside of the South.

You are completely missing Walter's point.

He proposed a Sam Ervin election scenario.  He did not ask if Ervin could win any primaries or if Ervin could get nominated.  He did not ask if Ervin could get elected.

He asked what would happen if Ervin were the nominee.  Everyone knows that would have been impossible, but this is a what-if to see what would happen if he were the nominee. 

Yes, precisely because of one of the reasons you stated, that Ervin was 80 years old, and as well because Ervin would not have been a viable candidate, he would lose some southern states. 

All he would win would be the deep south states I showed on my map.  I stand by my map. 

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« Reply #12 on: January 13, 2008, 06:30:40 PM »

Unfortunately for the Democrats, after nominating Ervin, here's what happens in the election.

President Geralf Ford of Michigan/Senator Bob Dole of Kansas                  473
Senator Sam Ervin of North Carolina/Senator Frank Church of Idaho           65



First of all, Ervin would not lost any Southern states.  Second of all, he would never get nominated.  He was 80 years old!  He would get killed in every primary, and even if the nomination went to the convention, he would not get any support outside of the South.

You are completely missing Walter's point.

He proposed a Sam Ervin election scenario.  He did not ask if Ervin could win any primaries or if Ervin could get nominated.  He did not ask if Ervin could get elected.

He asked what would happen if Ervin were the nominee.  Everyone knows that would have been impossible, but this is a what-if to see what would happen if he were the nominee. 

Yes, precisely because of one of the reasons you stated, that Ervin was 80 years old, and as well because Ervin would not have been a viable candidate, he would lose some southern states. 

All he would win would be the deep south states I showed on my map.  I stand by my map. 



For 20 years Ervin was seen as a hero by Southerners for his fight against Civil Rights.  There is absolutely no way that he would lose any part of Dixie, especially to Gerald Ford, a liberal Republican.
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« Reply #13 on: January 13, 2008, 06:35:57 PM »

he could win wv also.
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« Reply #14 on: January 13, 2008, 06:58:17 PM »

Unfortunately for the Democrats, after nominating Ervin, here's what happens in the election.

President Geralf Ford of Michigan/Senator Bob Dole of Kansas                  473
Senator Sam Ervin of North Carolina/Senator Frank Church of Idaho           65



First of all, Ervin would not lost any Southern states.  Second of all, he would never get nominated.  He was 80 years old!  He would get killed in every primary, and even if the nomination went to the convention, he would not get any support outside of the South.

You are completely missing Walter's point.

He proposed a Sam Ervin election scenario.  He did not ask if Ervin could win any primaries or if Ervin could get nominated.  He did not ask if Ervin could get elected.

He asked what would happen if Ervin were the nominee.  Everyone knows that would have been impossible, but this is a what-if to see what would happen if he were the nominee. 

Yes, precisely because of one of the reasons you stated, that Ervin was 80 years old, and as well because Ervin would not have been a viable candidate, he would lose some southern states. 

All he would win would be the deep south states I showed on my map.  I stand by my map. 



I'd say Winfield is spot on here.
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