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« on: January 03, 2008, 12:55:37 AM »

BUT ITS TRUE... WHAT IN THE HELL IS YOU PEOPLE'S PROBLEM?  WHY DO YOU INSIST ON STICKING YOU FINGERS IN YOUR EARS AND IGNORING THE HUGE PROBLEMS THAT ARE GOING ON AROUND US?  WHY?  RECENT EVENTS SHOULD ONLY REINFORCE THE POINT THAT THE WORLD IS BECOMING DANGEROUS VOLATILE! THE COLD WAR AIN'T GOT sh**t ON WHAT IS GOING ON TODAY... AND YET YOU PEOPLE ARE MORE WILLING TO IGNORE WHAT IS GOING ON NOW?  JESUS CHRIST CRUCIFIED... PRETENDING NOTHING IS WRONG IS WHAT GOT US HERE IN THE FIRST PLACE... WE CAN'T JUST IMAGINE OURSELVES BACK INTO THE 90'S.  F***!!!!
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« Reply #1 on: January 03, 2008, 01:43:28 AM »

>>Giuliani gets it. His foreign policy team, led by Norman Podhoretz<<

That's all I need to hear to know Giuliani doesn't have a clue.  The neocons completely, utterly dropped the ball in Afghanistan and refused to confront Pakistan and Saudi Arabia.  These are the places where the real threats were.

Podhoretz was one of the architects of the Bush "attention span of a 7 year old" policy.  In short, can't get Osama? Convince people Saddam is the problem.  We CAN get him.  And in the process, we get to test drive lots of other lemons like...

** They will welcome us as liberators **

** We can win this "on the cheap" **

** A mushroom cloud over Washington **

** Fundamentalist Osama's in bed with Secularist Saddam **

** Mission accomplished **

Yeah -- he's  a real genius alright. 

Opponents of the war in Iraq do not have their heads in the sand, individually or collectively.  They include such radical, left wing subversives as Bob Novak, Pat Buchanan, Brent Scowcroft, Hugh Shelton, Rep. Walter Jones, Doug Bandow and Senator Chuck Hagel.

Podhoretz is a one-trick pony with one simple agenda: use the United States to destroy any and all enemies of Israel.  He's Reverend John Hagee, without the tongues-speaking and the faith healing.



You know, I have met Norman Podhoretz... he helped me out with my paper for the Center of the Study of the Presidency... and he didn't seem like the Jewish Hitler, but I guess you would have more insight into that then I would.
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« Reply #2 on: January 03, 2008, 01:47:38 AM »

The Bush policy has failed because Bush is a total idiot who listened to some smart people, got about 1/8 of what they were saying and then put his "plan" into action.  Bush is too simple minded to understand the intellectual complexity of what other people were telling him in the beginning which is why we are in such bad shape now.  If McCain had won in 2000 the same situation would have turned out way better... and don't say "McCain wouldn't have listened to the neocons because he was their man in 2000.
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« Reply #3 on: January 03, 2008, 01:53:41 AM »

Giuliani exploits the death of Benazir Bhutto, a true stateswoman, to win the votes of some uninformed xenophobes. This why I'll never vote for him. He's cynically manipulating the emotion of fear, he surrounds himself with neocons and considers 9/11 his reason d'etre. Once the NYC firefighters swiftboat Rudy, the Hizzoner's numbers will collapse. Unfortunately for him, they already dropped.



This is my point dammit... saying "there is a problem and this proves it" is not exploitation.  When I think of all the ways that Clinton exploited... everyone... especially the military, I have to wonder why you people aren't up in arms over what he did... well, no, I don't have to wonder, I know... I'm not gonna bother being polite... blind partisanship is the answer.

As for your question, you are right, McCain is just as qualified... perhaps more so, but I have other reasons for supporting Rudy over McCain.
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« Reply #4 on: January 03, 2008, 02:50:51 AM »
« Edited: January 03, 2008, 03:05:31 AM by Supersoulty »


The policy failed because it's malignant and arrogant.  It reverses the strong, but humble foreign policy practiced by Truman, Eisenhower, Kennedy, Nixon, Ford, Carter, Reagan, H.W. Bush and Clinton.

Ummm... those people were far, far, far from being of the same mind on foriegn policy.  I have an a habit of overgeneralizing, but that's just laughable.

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Look up some of the CIA's actions during the 50', 60's and 70's and then look at what you just said.  If you could, I would tell you to look up "Track One" and "Track Two" you can, but you won't find much.

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Reagan was listening to the exact same people (or at least the direct intellectual decedents) that you now deride as being terrible.  Reagan gave to hearing to people like Kissinger.  As for the issue of WMD... I refuse to accept that Saddam didn't have at least some, and there is, indeed, evidence that some existed.  The Pentagon was not completely wrong.  And at the risk of being laughed at I believe that there was a concerted effort inside the Federal Government, by groups unnamed (though not "unpatriotic liberals") to discredit Military Intelligence and derail the Bush Administrations efforts internationally... a well funded, well organized fifth column, not beholden to the the people and indifferent about the Constitution.  Though I am sure this will come back to bite me in the ass (or blow my head off) later in life, I will paraphrase John McCain and say that if you want to look into the eyes of the United States' current failures internationally, you will see three letters...

A "C". An "I". And an "A".


As for the rest of what you say, there were strategic, historical and immediate reasons for the choice of Iraq.

As for the response to the current situation in Iraq and possible invasion of Iran... I love how you think the neocons are somehow more organized than America's real enemies, but I assure you they aren't.  Even a quick and dispassionate glance at what various neocons are saying on these issues would show you that "their" opinion is actually all over the map.

And actually, many neocons have objected loudly to the way the war was carried out, and the total lack of real strategic planning on the side of the Bush Administration, particularly the "rush to Baghdad" which totally ignored that the objective of war is to destroy the enemies army, not to capture cities.  They should have used Baghdad as a albatross for the Republican Guard to hold them down and destroy them.  It would have cost more soldiers from the  outset, but it would have given us a whole year to build up before the foriegn insurgents showed up.  Many of "us" realized this at the time, but were largely ignored.

Moreover, the extend to which neocon influence has existed in the Bush Administration has been vastly exaggerated... neocons opposed many of Rumsfeld's policies, just as they opposed Cheney's dismantling of the armed forces when he was Sec. of Defense.

And, BTW... we had a coalition... a bigger one than the one that went into Iraq in 1991... sadly, it has since vanished, another product of Bush and his neglect of the State Dept with his appointment of Condi Rice... also not a neocon.
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« Reply #5 on: January 03, 2008, 02:55:01 AM »

Oh... and of course, the Jews never have their home countries interests in mind, right?  After all that Germany... I mean... America has done for them, they have stabbed us in the back in favor of there Jewery.
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