Democratic Presidential Debate -- Thursday, November 15, 2007 -- CNN

[Sam Spade]

Hillary won the debate by far (although Biden performed well - but really, he stands no chance).  Obama once again acted like a second-rate politician by giving a extremely confusing answer on drivers' licenses for illegals (hello?).  Edwards was really bad, frankly.

The chinks in the armor stopped last night.  And of course, Hillary planted the booers and I wouldn't be surprised if the questioners were planted as well by CNN.  What do you expect from her, Democrats?

[Eraserhead]

Hillary won the debate by far (although Biden performed well - but really, he stands no chance).  Obama once again acted like a second-rate politician by giving a extremely confusing answer on drivers' licenses for illegals (hello?).  Edwards was really bad, frankly.

The chinks in the armor stopped last night.  And of course, Hillary planted the booers and I wouldn't be surprised if the questioners were planted as well by CNN.  What do you expect from her, Democrats?

At least you admit she cheated to win. I agree about Biden doing really well. I wouldn't have even considered voting for the guy in a general election six months ago, but today I certainly would.

[Inmate Trump]

In a nutshell: I dont even describe Hillary placing in the top 3 best performers of last night...let alone actually WINNING. Neither with Edwards and Obama but they both did "fair to good". I think the winners are along the lines of Dodd or Biden.

My ranking would go something like this...

1. Joe Biden
2. Chris Dodd
3. Hillary Clinton
4. Bill Richardson
5. Barack Obama
6. Dennis Kucicnich
7. John Edwards

[Ebowed]

That debate & this thread are why I am becoming so disillusioned with politics, it's not even fun anymore.

Especially the complete moron in this thread who keeps referring to Kucinich as "the elf."  Damn, did you just think that one up?  I bet you chuckle to yourself every time you type it.

Can any of you people really trust these candidates?  Sure, some of them are more likeable than others (I don't think I've ever despised Hillary more), but John Edwards is a complete embarrassment and Obama is just crashing.

Hillary Clinton deserves jail time for planting booers in the audience BTW.

[Small Business Owner of Any Repute]

If I was running for President as a Democrat, the first thing I'd do is jettison that ridiculous drivers' licences for illegals idea.  I mean, it's nothing but 100% raw negatives.

[The Duke]

Can someone please explain to me why Democrats collectively decided that John Edwards and Barack Obama were serious candidates and Christpher Dodd and Joseph  Biden are not?  Are Democratsd looking for a President or a movie star?

And did Bill Richardson eat Mike Gravel?  I think he might have.  We need to look into this.

[Eraserhead]

Can someone please explain to me why Democrats collectively decided that John Edwards and Barack Obama were serious candidates and Christpher Dodd and Joseph  Biden are not?  Are Democratsd looking for a President or a movie star?

And did Bill Richardson eat Mike Gravel?  I think he might have.  We need to look into this.

Richardson wouldn't have survived that. Gravel is poison.

[Ebowed]

Can someone please explain to me why Democrats collectively decided that John Edwards and Barack Obama were serious candidates and Christpher Dodd and Joseph  Biden are not?

The system of "tiers" is really annoying.  The parties and/or the media have basically decided how well the candidate will do based on what tier they have assigned them.  And I can't think of a single mainstream media source which doesn't now strictly adhere to this system of "tiers."

I certainly don't remember having this in previous nomination contests.

Either way, I don't see how a complete joke like John Edwards deserves to be polling above 1%.  I understand Obama's appeal, and tend to sympathize with his candidacy more, but he is turning into a real disappointment.

[Boris]

Can someone please explain to me why Democrats collectively decided that John Edwards and Barack Obama were serious candidates and Christpher Dodd and Joseph  Biden are not?  Are Democratsd looking for a President or a movie star?

I agree strongly (and Ebowed makes some good points, also). I have 'issues' with Biden and Dodd, but the fact that the three 'top-tier' candidates running for the Democratic Nomination are pandering empty suits with little history of accomplishments or experience merely exemplifies the superficiality of Democratic partisans and the media.

Take Obama for example, who, in my opinion, is by far the most tolerable of the 'top-tier' candidates. The only reason why he's polling in second place is because he's an excellent public speaker. Give the same person a Chris Dodd personality and he'd be ridiculed on this board and by the media as a complete joke.

[Joe Republic]

The girl who asked Hillary the 'diamonds or pearls' question at the end had actually wanted to ask her about nuclear dumping at Yucca Mountain, but CNN ordered her to change it at the last minute to something fluffier.  What a pathetic excuse for a news network.

http://marcambinder.theatlantic.com/archives/2007/11/diamond_v_pearl_student_blasts_1.php

[gorkay]

Well, the consensus seems to be that Hillary won the debate big time, and that Obama and Edwards hurt themselves with very poor performances. Edwards in particular seems to be losing a lot of ground with his new attack-dog mode.

[Undisguised Sockpuppet]

Ron Paul should get the dem nomination.

[NDN]

What debate? As far as I'm concerned, it was so rigged we might as well call it one giant ad for Hillary Clinton. With guest appearances.

[Undisguised Sockpuppet]

What debate? As far as I'm concerned, it was so rigged we might as well call it one giant ad for Hillary Clinton. With guest appearances.

[NDN]

I have to admit though, Biden did a stellar job again. He's really impressed me lately. And I'm saddened that the MSM decided to exclude Gravel yet again.

[Undisguised Sockpuppet]

The MSM is coronating her as president.

[NDN]

The MSM is coronating her as president.

Oh I agree totally. The only bright side is Obama has been beating her in fundraising.

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What's annoying is all the hacks who are whining about how you shouldn't attack the front runner, that'll hurt us in the general election. These same hacks were attacking Dean 4 years ago.

[Хahar 🤔]

What's annoying is all the hacks who are whining about how you shouldn't attack the front runner, that'll hurt us in the general election. These same hacks were attacking Dean 4 years ago.

And it killed Dean and hurt Kerry in the general election.

[Eraserhead]

I'm kind of shocked this debate didn't end with Wolf Blitzer saying "Vote for Hillary... not the negro or the hick" into the camera.

[HappyWarrior]

Joe Biden for President! lol.  But really, I think he still has a chance.  People may not notice it but he is gaining ground in Iowa.  He has the support of 15 members of the state legislature(Roughly), second behind only Hillary.  Also his numbers have been steadily creeping up since the debate season started.  He has passed Richardson in many Iowa polls.  He seems to be following the same sort of trend as Huckabee.