Seemingly I'm NOT much of a centrist after all

[MODU]

As you can, despite Democrats now controlling Congress, the Hawk pretty much remains in a class of his own among Democrats

For me to go light green would be tantamount to sitting on a fence

Was that a Freudian slip (choosing that color)? 

[Robespierre's Jaw]

How did you do this Dave? I'd be curious to find out what mine would be

[Democratic Hawk]

Now, if you disagree with a vote, do you allocate the opposite weight? ie, if you disagree with a L-2, do you put 2 under conservative?

Yes

[Democratic Hawk]

How did you do this Dave? I'd be curious to find out what mine would be

https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=63999.msg1321235#msg1321235

[Хahar 🤔]

Social: Conservative 65 (69%); Liberal 29 (31%) - on this measure I'm closest to Tom Tancredo (R, Colorado-06)

Dave? Are you okay?

[NDN]

No, seriously.

[Democratic Hawk]

As you can, despite Democrats now controlling Congress, the Hawk pretty much remains in a class of his own among Democrats

For me to go light green would be tantamount to sitting on a fence

Was that a Freudian slip (choosing that color)? 

Nope, I'm a 'Democrat'

Dave

[Democratic Hawk]

No, seriously.

Now, seriously, aren't I just a tad too economically progressive for the Republicans?

Dave

[Democratic Hawk]

Social: Conservative 65 (69%); Liberal 29 (31%) - on this measure I'm closest to Tom Tancredo (R, Colorado-06)

Dave? Are you okay?

Yep . Having the same social rating as Tancredo doesn't necessarily mean I'd have voted the same way as Tancredo

Dave

[MODU]

Nope, I'm a 'Democrat'

Dave

Keep telling yourself that, Indy Dave. 

[NDN]

No, seriously.

Now, seriously, aren't I just a tad too economically progressive for the Republicans?

Dave

Not really. There are a lot of Republicans out there that aren't too keen on tax cuts for yacht club members or paying an arm and a leg for pseudo private care. But they vote based on 'national security' and/or social issues anyway. Their numbers have obviously been increasing too... Well except for the first lately, mostly because of how much of a joke Bush has been.

[NDN]

Nope, I'm a 'Democrat'

Dave

The quotation marks don't help.

[Kaine for Senate '18]

For the 2006 Senate votes:

Economic: 54% Liberal, 46% Conservative, closest match was Max Baucus (D-MT), Jim Webb (D-VA), and Kent Conrad (D-ND).

Social: 58% Liberal, 42% Conservative, closest match was Claire McCaskill (D-MO).

Foreign Policy: 53% Conservative, 47% Liberal, closest match was Gordon Smith (R-OR).

Total Score: 54% Liberal, 46% Conservative, closest match was Mark Pryor (D-AR).

[Kaine for Senate '18]

For the 2006 House votes:

Economic: 44% Liberal, 55% Conservative, closest match was Jim Marshal (D-GA-06), Tim Johnson (R-IL-16), Jim Ramstad (R-MN-03), Jim Gerlach (R-PA-06).

Social: 47% Liberal, 53% Conservative, closest match was Christopher Carney (D-PA-10), Mike McIntyre (D-NC-07), Wayne Gilchrest (R-MD-01), Mark Kirk (R-IL-10).

Foreign Policy: 42% Liberal, 58% Conservative, closest match was Jim Marshal (D-GA-06).

Total Score: 45% Liberal, 55% Conservative, closest match was Chris Smith (R-NJ-04), Mark Kirk (R-IL-10).

[Democratic Hawk]

A point of note:

When I originally counted my weighted scores for 2007 House foreign votes, they totalled Liberal 19 (26%) and Conservative 55 (74%) but then having checked for who I'd most closely match, I discovered I'd have been more Conservative than any Republican

But on recounting I discoverd my calculator, or rather I, had boobed

Dave

[Democratic Hawk]

For the 2006 Senate votes:

Economic: 54% Liberal, 46% Conservative, closest match was Max Baucus (D-MT), Jim Webb (D-VA), and Kent Conrad (D-ND).

Social: 58% Liberal, 42% Conservative, closest match was Claire McCaskill (D-MO).

Foreign Policy: 53% Conservative, 47% Liberal, closest match was Gordon Smith (R-OR).

Total Score: 54% Liberal, 46% Conservative, closest match was Mark Pryor (D-AR).

For the 2006 House votes:

Economic: 44% Liberal, 55% Conservative, closest match was Jim Marshal (D-GA-06), Tim Johnson (R-IL-16), Jim Ramstad (R-MN-03), Jim Gerlach (R-PA-06).

Social: 47% Liberal, 53% Conservative, closest match was Christopher Carney (D-PA-10), Mike McIntyre (D-NC-07), Wayne Gilchrest (R-MD-01), Mark Kirk (R-IL-10).

Foreign Policy: 42% Liberal, 58% Conservative, closest match was Jim Marshal (D-GA-06).

Total Score: 45% Liberal, 55% Conservative, closest match was Chris Smith (R-NJ-04), Mark Kirk (R-IL-10).

Well we both kind of diverge, significantly, from our political matrix scores otherwise suggest

Dave

[Democratic Hawk]

No, seriously.

Now, seriously, aren't I just a tad too economically progressive for the Republicans?

Dave

Not really. There are a lot of Republicans out there that aren't too keen on tax cuts for yacht club members or paying an arm and a leg for pseudo private care. But they vote based on 'national security' and/or social issues anyway. Their numbers have obviously been increasing too... Well except for the first lately, mostly because of how much of a joke Bush has been.

I don't deny that I'd be something of a 'conservative' Democrat (compared with most Democrats) but of a populist hue. I'd guess that the Democratic 'mainstream' is populist-leaning liberal; that of the GOP, libertarian-leaning conservative

I actually thought now, with the Democrats in the majority, I'd have moved leftwards, in general, but seemingly I haven't and as for going from 55% Liberal on House foreign votes, in 2006, to 63% Conservative, in 2007, that's some turnaround

Dave

[Kaine for Senate '18]

For the 2006 Senate votes:

Economic: 54% Liberal, 46% Conservative, closest match was Max Baucus (D-MT), Jim Webb (D-VA), and Kent Conrad (D-ND).

Social: 58% Liberal, 42% Conservative, closest match was Claire McCaskill (D-MO).

Foreign Policy: 53% Conservative, 47% Liberal, closest match was Gordon Smith (R-OR).

Total Score: 54% Liberal, 46% Conservative, closest match was Mark Pryor (D-AR).

For the 2006 House votes:

Economic: 44% Liberal, 55% Conservative, closest match was Jim Marshal (D-GA-06), Tim Johnson (R-IL-16), Jim Ramstad (R-MN-03), Jim Gerlach (R-PA-06).

Social: 47% Liberal, 53% Conservative, closest match was Christopher Carney (D-PA-10), Mike McIntyre (D-NC-07), Wayne Gilchrest (R-MD-01), Mark Kirk (R-IL-10).

Foreign Policy: 42% Liberal, 58% Conservative, closest match was Jim Marshal (D-GA-06).

Total Score: 45% Liberal, 55% Conservative, closest match was Chris Smith (R-NJ-04), Mark Kirk (R-IL-10).

Well we both kind of diverge, significantly, from our political matrix scores otherwise suggest

Dave

I found the House votes very odd, in terms of what was L and what was C.

[NDN]

I don't deny that I'd be something of a 'conservative' Democrat (compared with most Democrats) but of a populist hue.

I don't see how you really fit with the modern party, other than favoring expanding bureaus and certain entitlements.. Which in practice is what both parties are doing now anyway.

 

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Not really. Maybe on the internet for the latter group (debatable), but definitely not in real life.

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Since the Democrats won their majority I've done a u-Turn on a lot of issues. I actually used to be more like an isolationist version of you. Also ignore the current score, it's deliberately slanted to the right.

[Хahar 🤔]

Increase the minimum wage to $7.25 per hour in two years. June 21. (52-46; 60 votes required because of a unanimous consent agreement) C-3

Conservative? WTF?

[Democratic Hawk]

Increase the minimum wage to $7.25 per hour in two years. June 21. (52-46; 60 votes required because of a unanimous consent agreement) C-3

Conservative? WTF?

The score indicates that the conservative position prevailed on this vote. Liberals required 60 votes for it to pass, but they only obtained 56; hence a score of C-3

Dave

[Democratic Hawk]

And for 2008!

Senate

I found that my weighted scores were as follows:

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Economic: Liberal 78 (70%); Conservative 34 (30%) - on this measure I'm closest to Edward Kennedy (D-Massachusetts)

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Social: Conservative 32 (63%); Liberal 19 (37%) - on this measure I'm closest to John Warner* (R-Virginia), who scores 64

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Foreign: Conservative 17 (55%); Liberal 14 (45%) - on this measure I'm closest to Evan Bayh (D-Indiana)

However, put it all together and I have the following composite score:

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Liberal 111 (57.2%) / Conservative 83 (42.8%) , on which my closest Senate match is Mark Pryor (D-Arkansas) , who scores:

- Economic (Liberal 61% / Conservative 36%)
- Social (Liberal 48% / Conservative 48%)
- Foreign (Liberal 56% / Conservative 40%)
- Composite (Liberal 56.8% / Conservative 44.2%)

House

I found that my weighted scores were as follows:

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Economic: Liberal 81 (71%); Conservative 33 (29%) - on this measure I'm closest to Tom Allen* (D-Maine), Tim Bishop (D-New York), Lois Capps (D-California), Russ Carnahan (D-Missouri), William Lacy Clay (D-Missouri), Joe Courtney (D-Connecticut), John Dingell (D-Michigan), Anna Eshoo (D-California), Bob Etheridge (D-North Carolina), John Hall (D-New York), Steve Israel (D-New York), Daniel Lipinski (D-Illinois), Allan Mollohan (D-West Virginia), Adam Schiff (D-California), Alison Schwartz (D-Pennsylvania), Carol Shea-Porter (D-New Hampshire), John Spratt (D-South Carolina) and Bart Stupak (D-Michigan)

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Social: Conservative 25 (69%); Liberal 11 (31%) - on this issue I'm closest to Tom Cole (R-Oklahoma), Kenny Hulshof* (R-Missouri), John Shimkus (R-Illinois), Greg Walden (D-Oregon) and Jerry Weller* (R-Illinois)

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Foreign: Conservative 27 (59%); Liberal 19 (41%) - on this measure I'm closest to Judy Biggert (R-Illinois), Robin Hayes* (R-North Carolina), Bob Inglis (R-South Carolina), Mark Kirk (R-Illinois) and Frank Wolf (R-Virginia)

However, put it all together and I have the following composite score:

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Liberal 111 (56.6%) / Conservative 85 (43.4%) , on which my closest House matches are Bud Cramer* (D, Alabama-05) and Charlie Wilson (D, Ohio-06) , who score:

Cramer

- Economic (Liberal 60% / Conservative 40%)
- Social (Liberal 62% / Conservative 38%)
- Foreign (Conservative 52% / Liberal 47%)
- Composite (Liberal 56.5% / Conservative 43.5%)

Wilson

- Economic (Liberal 53% / Conservative 47%)
- Social (Liberal 54% / Conservative 42%)
- Foreign (Liberal 59% / Conservative 37%)
- Composite (Liberal 56.7% / Conservative 43.3%)

Well that concludes my hypothetical National Journal vote ratings these past three years with a Republican in the White House and these past two years with Democrats in control of Congress

Dave

[Kaine for Senate '18]

Dave, can you give the link for the 2008 numbers?

[Democratic Hawk]

Dave, can you give the link for the 2008 numbers?

This is the main page:

http://www.nationaljournal.com/2008voteratings/

And here you'll find the key votes used to calculate the ratings:

http://www.nationaljournal.com/njmagazine/cs_20090228_4813.php

Dave

[Democratic Hawk]

I decided to do them for years 2004 and 2005 as well

Senate

I found that my weighted scores were as follows:

2004

Economic: Liberal 38 (66%); Conservative 20 (34%)
Social: Liberal 26 (52%); Conservative 24 (48%)
Foreign: Liberal 14 (33%); Conservative 29 (63%)

Composite: Liberal 78 (51.7%) / Conservative 73 (48.3%)

2005

Economic: Liberal 69 (64%); Conservative 38 (36%)
Social: Liberal 17 (41%); Conservative 24 (59%)
Foreign: Liberal 10 (31%); Conservative 22 (69%)

Composite: Liberal 96 (53.3%) / Conservative 84 (46.7%)

2006

Economic: Liberal 60 (66%); Conservative 31 (34%)
Social: Liberal 38 (48%); Conservative 41 (52%)
Foreign: Liberal 9 (24%); Conservative 29 (76%)

Composite: Liberal 107 (51.4%) / Conservative 101 (48.6%)

2007

Economic: Liberal 62 (70%); Conservative 27 (30%)
Social: Liberal 34 (41%); Conservative 53 (59%)
Foreign: Liberal 22 (32%); Conservative 47 (68%)

Composite: Liberal 118 (49.0%) / Conservative 123 (51.0%)

2008

Economic: Liberal 78 (70%); Conservative 34 (30%)
Social: Liberal 19 (37%); Conservative 32 (63%)
Foreign: Liberal 14 (45%); Conservative 17 (55%)

Composite: Liberal 111 (57.2%) / Conservative 83 (42.8%)

Aggregate

Economic: Liberal 307 (67%); Conservative 150 (33%)
Social: Liberal 134 (44%); Conservative 174 (56%)
Foreign: Liberal 69 (32%); Conservative 144 (68%)

Composite: Liberal 510 (52.2%) / Conservative 468 (47.8%)

House

I found that my weighted scores were as follows:

2004

Economic: Liberal 51 (65%); Conservative 27 (35%)
Social: Liberal 28 (44%); Conservative 35 (56%)
Foreign: Liberal 14 (37%); Conservative 24 (63%)

Composite: Liberal 93 (52.0%); Conservative 86 (48.0%)

2005

Economic: Liberal 65 (65%); Conservative 35 (35%)
Social: Liberal 42 (40%); Conservative 63 (60%)
Foreign: Liberal 24 (43%); Conservative 32 (57%)

Composite: Liberal 131 (50.2%); Conservative 130 (49.8%)

2006

Economic: Liberal 63 (64%); Conservative 35 (36%)
Social: Liberal 28 (31%); Conservative 63 (69%)
Foreign: Liberal 22 (55%); Conservative 18 (45%)

Composite: Liberal 113 (49.3%) / Conservative 116 (50.7%)

2007

Economic: Liberal 87 (74%); Conservative 31 (26%)
Social: Liberal 29 (31%); Conservative 65 (69%)
Foreign: Liberal 27 (37%); Conservative 45 (63%)

Composite: Liberal 143 (50.4%); Conservative 141 (49.6%)

2008

Economic: Liberal 81 (71%); Conservative 33 (29%)
Social: Liberal 11 (31%); Conservative 25 (69%)
Foreign: Liberal 19 (41%); Conservative 27 (59%)

Composite: Liberal 111 (56.6%) / Conservative 85 (43.4%)

Aggregate

Economic: Liberal 347 (68%); Conservative 161 (32%)
Social: Liberal 138 (35%); Conservative 251 (65%)
Foreign: Liberal 106 (42%); Conservative 146 (58%)

Composite: Liberal 591 (51.4%) / Conservative 558 (48.6%)