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afleitch
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« on: October 13, 2007, 05:36:34 PM »

I'll play -  actually drafted how to work something 'UK' style with minimum effort. I'll post it Monday when I get access to the computer!
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« Reply #1 on: October 14, 2007, 06:02:52 PM »


You might remember the UK idea I had - i'm sure I sent it to you in the sumemr for a once over; the one that allows for PR, but 'matches' to UK constituencies.

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« Reply #2 on: October 15, 2007, 02:48:15 AM »
« Edited: October 15, 2007, 04:11:11 AM by afleitch »

Okay here goes. This was a draft for one based on the UK if it's of any interest to anyone;


As there is no constitution, it is difficult to set out anything other than rules of play.

First off

Parties and elections

Labour, Conservative, Liberal Democrats, SNP, Plaid....only.

No others for now. It seems harsh, but it is important to maintain the main British parties to begin with. Parties like UKIP, Greens etc would attract more support on here than they do in reality. I'm even hesitant to include the SNP/Plaid for the same reason. Rule of thumb is, if you're left of centre you're either Labour or Lib Dem, right of centre you're Tory or Lib Dem. Not too many Lib Dems though Smiley In short, the game won't work if the party structures crumble

Elections.

Every two or three months. The voting system may be difficult to determine. While I'd support FPTP, unlike in Atlasia, we dont have 'states' to reside in and then determine seat size, neither do we have midterms. This is compounded by the need to respect the 'Home Nations' (Scotland, England, Northern Ireland, Wales) somewhat. Furthermore I would be concerned that one party may become ludicrously dominant under FPTP. I would therefore support a 'list' system; dividing Britain into set regions regardless of population and then apportioning seats to each area according to population. Considering the size of the game, this would probably see more balanced results but also sensible majorities in the Commons. It also provides a geographic basis for the game, and PMQ's. But I have an idea in how to maintain 'constituencies' that concur, broadly, with what exists in reality. I'll come to that later.

The size of the Commons would be larger than the Senate in Atlasia, as it is the focus of the whole game. The only person outside the Commons, is the monarch. The hope is, this game involves a higher % of  registered players in government as is the case in Atlasia. How many MP's depends on how many players there are. This can change. I would hope we could get at least 20 or 30 to begin with, based on regions. That way the game can function with at least 1 person representing each region.

I had thought of using the 12 economic regions, but that is too much. Using the 4 home nations is fine, except that England is too large a size for one list. So I thought of the following.

Scotland
North of England (North East, North West, Yorkshire)
Midlands (East Midlands, West Midlands, East of England)
South of England (South East, South West)
London (keeping it by itself to encourage people to register there!)
Wales
Northern Ireland

Descriptions of each region can be given to give players unfamiliar with these areas a chance of choosing the best suited regions. Hopefully we can give them some less sterile names.

However, here's the twist. If a region is entitled to say 3 MP's, elected by the list, when the seats are allocated to each region, that region is then geographically split into 3 seats and each MP is given a designated 'seat' to represent.

For example. Lets say Wales is allocated 4 seats elected under a list system. 2 Labour candidates, 1 Tory and one Lib Dem is elected. Wales' 40 seats in reality are used to create 4 seats (of 10) before the election. After the election the MP's are given one seat each. But it's not entirely random, as you would have the two Labour MP's represent the most traditionally Labour areas of Wales etc. This can be arranged by a moderator with the help of the MP's in question. It means that people have a 'seat' to represent that is politicaly realistic, but also local so they can tailor their positions, and their concerns to what the main issues are in that area. The boundaries can be revised at set times to take into account changes in population. Even if in the game, Scotland has a higher population than London there should still be a balance 

Positions

The 'positions' in the game would be as follows


Monarch: Easy job. The monarch must make a speech at the start of each new parliamentary session outlining his/her governments plans for the coming session. The monarch also gives consent by signing, Acts of Parliament that are passed in the Commons. The monarch always signs these Acts. Would be ideal if the moderator held this role.

Prime Minister. The leader of the largest party in the Commons and head of the government. Is the voice of the government and while his approach to the job may be flexible, he can be easily removed if he angers his party. Has the power to call a general election within a 2 or 3 month period. However for the purposes of the game, and to stop the abuse of this power, as in real life he must go to the monarch for approval. Unlike in real life however, the monarch should actively use the power to decline the call for an election if we find ourselves getting snowed under with elections at whim.

Leader of the Opposition. The PM's counterpart and leader of the second largest party. His job is to offer constructive opposition to the PM. Bearing in mind that he technically 'leads' the whole opposition, including other parties when in the commons.

Speaker. Keeps order in the House, can impose discipline/suspend MP's. In this scenario it is likely that the Speaker should take on similar powers to the PPT in Atlasia, in order to manage day to day Commons business.

Cabinet and Shadow Cabinet. Appointed by the PM to head government departments. The Leader of the Opposition forms a Shadow Cabinet to oppose those ministers.

Possible posts - It is probably worth combining posts to start with, as happens in reality anyway;

Chancellor/Deputy - effectively the PM's number two. Responsible for finance.
Defence/Home/Justice - dealing with domestic security issues.
Education/Health/Social Security - dealing with welfare issues (v. important in UK politics)
Foreign/International Development - dealing with foreign and security issues.

Day to day business.

Essentially similar to Atlasia, with open threads on legislation. MP's of course have to tow the party line, unless the vote is a 'free vote'. Not doing so may result in your party leader disciplining you Wink The party is paramount and you have to work together on policy. You can of course, if you disagree so much, become an independent or join another party. This way, a governments mandate can be eroded and they may be  forced to call an election. But again, please be responsible Smiley You can still stay a member of the party and sit on the 'backbenches' and irritate your leader! Infact it's probably better to do that as he will be forced to placate you.

Prime Ministers Questions.

This is a key part of the game. Everyone in the Commons can put questions to the PM 'weekly' (or whatever timescale is chosen) on anything; policy, jarbs disguised as statements and local issues. I would hope that people would be as creative as possible. These exchanges form the basis of any media coverage/comment etc.

How to start the game

Sign up - get people signed up to a region and to a party
Set up - have parties meet and decide leader. Fight on the existing party platforms for now. Then designate number of seats per region.
Election.
Start.

The first government would hopefully be a trial and test one. I hope that British/Anglophile posters would be a part of this for the first 2 or 3 months, guiding and helping the game and establishing procedures, then taking a back seat should they wish to once people have got the hang of the game.
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« Reply #3 on: October 15, 2007, 04:15:13 AM »

Just thinking about it, it's probably best not to have elections for the first session of any parliamentary game and just have those who want to do it, do it. At least until it's off and running
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« Reply #4 on: October 15, 2007, 05:17:21 AM »

I am willing to be the Welsh Tory to start off, impossible as it will be, but I'm way ahead of myself.


We need to spead the word on this.

It might not be UK based - I was posting something I'd drafted a few months ago as I thought it was a good example of how to keep complicated processes 'simple.' But if I had a preference I'd go for the UK.
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« Reply #5 on: October 15, 2007, 01:48:18 PM »

What party should I join? Am I right or left?



Right, by European standards. Though I stress, my idea was only a proposal. It's not everyones cup of tea Smiley
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« Reply #6 on: October 16, 2007, 04:09:31 AM »

This is not a UK Parliament Sim, people.  Please read the thread Tongue

(even though other people have posted basically the same thing right above me)

Edit: Hmm, the forum I was thinking of that used to have almost exactly the same concept seems to have disappeared.  What a shame.

I know that. I just posted a draft I had of how you could run a parliamentary sim based on a model I had for the UK and it grew legs.
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« Reply #7 on: October 17, 2007, 03:54:41 AM »
« Edited: October 17, 2007, 04:33:27 AM by afleitch »

I think we should all create our own personal info, everyone should keep it in reason, then create parties.

Probably for the best. Find where people stand and then organise into political parties (and then into blocs, if there are many parties with similar ideologies)

EDIT: I like the idea of 'blocs' Smiley I'd like to set up a Parti Radical Democratique / Free Democrat Party that could work with other liberal/christian democratic parties.

I'll write up a 'profile' - background plus current stances etc
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« Reply #8 on: October 17, 2007, 05:50:33 AM »

How far advanced is the little island socially? As a 'concerned homosexualist' are we to assume (probably easier that way) that it's European in nature? At least legally, even if there are prevailant minority opinions in some parts of the country.

Oh and great name for the island Wink Hope we get a map!
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« Reply #9 on: October 17, 2007, 06:26:36 AM »

Thought I’d have a bit of fun with this; just as a thought.

Name: Alexandre Macdonald Denoix
Province of Birth: Arcadia.
Ethnic Background: French Antillian/Scottish
Religion: Roman Catholic
Political stance: Free market social liberal / classic liberal
Party:  Parti Radical Democratique (Free Democrats)

Background.

Born into a middle class suburban family to a Francophone father and a Scottish mother, Denoix received a liberal Jesuit education at St Ignatius' school in Arcadia. At his mothers wish he attended university in Scotland for four years, studying history and politics before returning to Antillia to take up a post in the civil service. Openly gay, he has many friends of all political persuasions, but also critical opponents. His time under care of the Jesuits and his experiences in Scotland, he has said, has made him 'socially aware' and 'dedicated to free market solutions to poverty.' While seen as fairly honest and genuine, he has an air of 'pretence' (slightly bourgeois) which doesn't endear him to the 'impoverished'. Is also considered to be too 'anglo-saxon' by some of the more statist and populist sections of the Francophone electorate and political establishment, particularly his support of privatisation of state owned utilities.

Parti Radical Democratique.

A small party, popular amongst cross-linguistic suburban and city liberals and amongst Francophone rural landowners. An 'always the bridesmaid, never the bride' party, it thrives thanks to it's status as a potential coalition partner. While historically Francophone and historically and continually anti-clerical, the party has became more and more, if not equally attractive to English speakers. The party however struggles to be attractive to Indian and other ethnic minority voters, dampening it's chance in parts of the country.

Basic Platform:

Implementing a flat tax: 15% for personal income tax, corporate income tax and VAT designed to make Antillia a tax haven.

Privatisation of remaining state owned public (particularly energy) utilities.

Federalism. Greater autonomy for the Francophone sphere within the national political framework.

Higher education reform.

Reform of labour laws to force democratisation within the trade unions (I'm presuming theres some communist throwbacks operating within the unions)
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« Reply #10 on: October 17, 2007, 12:27:52 PM »



Sight tidy up; jagged coast yadda yadda - hope thats okay Smiley
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« Reply #11 on: October 17, 2007, 05:06:18 PM »

3 bilingual mixed blood public servants/teachers/centrists so far... who knew I'd actually wish for crazies to join in...

Will an Ernie Bevin/Arthur Deakin type do?

Yes Smiley

Probably makes it more fun if we have a welfare state/nationalisation tradition that half the island want to get rid of and the other half defend. It certainly makes for exciting policy. Kudos on the map btw!
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« Reply #12 on: October 17, 2007, 05:09:30 PM »

Suggestion for 'arms' of the nation with Colonial/heraldic influence. Top is for Portugal, centre for England/Britain, bottom for France. No Hindi etc representation because...well, slightly tainted past I'm sure Smiley

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« Reply #13 on: October 17, 2007, 05:52:26 PM »
« Edited: October 17, 2007, 06:05:38 PM by afleitch »

If you want to know a rather accurate representation of where Antillia is Google Maps can give you an idea.

Suprisingly close to where the Titanic sunk (well close as in several hundred miles) Was a major cross Atlantic shipping lane - we would undoubtedly have a large port and possibly shipbuilding/repair industries in the past.

Sorry to be 'Mr Questions' tonight; but was Antillia at one time a British colony/territory/protectorate?
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« Reply #14 on: October 18, 2007, 01:01:08 PM »


My grandfather - 'He's nae Frank Cousins that yin' Wink

As for the character he seems the sort of Socialist that would inhabit Antillia; theres something pleasantly old school (I had that phrase so much but can't think of another) in the air in this island that makes politics interesting.
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« Reply #15 on: October 18, 2007, 06:09:55 PM »
« Edited: October 18, 2007, 06:14:56 PM by afleitch »

Am I going to be the only non-white guy here?

Last time I checked Portuguese people are white. The Portuguese who settled here are white Portuguese, really I don't know any other type. Many are from Africa but they were white settlers in places like Angola or Mozambique, like Tereza Heinz Kerry's family actually.

True; given it's location it's unlikely to be as settled from the African continent as the Carribean. Though of course the exception to the rule is Bermuda, which also has a significant Portugese population. Climate wise, Antillia would be peloarctic/temperate in nature, not unlike Western Europe and warmed by the Gulf Stream which should give it a mild winter. It would be ideal for sheep, dairy farming etc.
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« Reply #16 on: October 19, 2007, 07:31:35 AM »

Okay a quick rundown of the named players so far. Apologies if I missed anyone out.

'Left Bloc'

Robert Hill
Vijay Prahusanjil
Marco Rossi
Graham Stokes (economically left)
Arthur Watson

'Right Bloc'

Alexandre Denoix
William Tudor

'Centrist'

Pierre Dussalt

There are a few others who've declared but don't have a profile.

While completely coincidental, notice how the 'Francophones' (just the two unfortunately) are Centre/Right. If Colin plays as a centre right French politician it confirms this. Could be an interesting aspect of the game. If Antillia has a large state apparatus, like any European like nation (welfare included) but the French on Antillia don't hold as strong an allegiance to the nation, it could manifest itself in opposition to the state and in favour of centre-right politics.
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« Reply #17 on: October 21, 2007, 11:10:52 AM »

You think it'd be a good idea to get a sub forum for this?

Hopefully. I think if it gets off the ground it could attract alot more players.
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« Reply #18 on: October 22, 2007, 12:57:32 PM »

Seems yet another thread has been 'stickied' to death Grin
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« Reply #19 on: November 05, 2007, 09:15:25 AM »

Right folks lets go!.....

Um...how do we start again?
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