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« on: March 10, 2025, 11:56:10 PM »

Trump deported fewer people last month than Biden a year ago, but border crossings have plummeted
About 11,000 immigrants were deported last month, compared with over 12,000 a year ago, data obtained by NBC News shows.

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Immigration and Customs Enforcement agents deported fewer immigrants in February than they did under the Biden administration during the same month a year ago, according to ICE data obtained by NBC News that has not been previously reported. According to the data, ICE deported around 11,000 migrants last month, the first full month Trump was in office, compared to just over 12,000 in February 2024. One major reason for the higher numbers under the Biden administration was higher traffic from attempted border crossings, both legal and illegal, in 2024 compared to 2025.

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Spokespeople for Customs and Border Protection, ICE and the Department of Homeland Security, under which CBP and ICE fall, have not responded to questions about how many of those 435,000 people have been arrested by ICE or deported since Trump took office. The spokespeople also did not respond to questions from NBC News about the data on deportations last month. Of the people deported in February, roughly half did not have criminal convictions or pending criminal charges, the data showed. The number of immigrants without criminal records arrested by ICE and deported increased only slightly from the end of the Biden administration, from 223 in December to 390 in February, according to the data.

Even if you spin the numbers in the most favorable possible way for Trump, he is not deporting many people:

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When removing recent border crossers from the total and counting only immigrants who were deported after first being arrested by ICE, nearly 4,300 immigrants were deported this February compared with roughly 2,100 in February 2024. The data obtained by NBC News is also an early indication of whether the second Trump administration is delivering on one of the main promises of its immigration crackdown, which President Donald Trump repeated in his inaugural address: “We will begin the process of returning millions and millions of criminal aliens back to the places from which they came.”

4300 is higher than 2100, but if all he can do is 4,300 a month, over a 4 year term that is only barely more than 200k people - a far cry from the millions of mass deportations Trump promised to wreck the economy with. Relative to the total population of undocumented immigrants who do lots of hard jobs that Americans don't want to do, that is not a large number of deportations.


Yeah yeah, it's probably good from a humanitarian standpoint that Trump is not deporting many people. But the downside of this is that the economy is much less hurt than it could be if Trump actually were meaningfully increasing deportations.

If Trump were to actually go through with the mass deportations he promised, then there would be nobody to pick the fresh produce in the farm fields, and it would all rot, causing food prices to spike (more than just eggs, too). And that would be great, because it would be very unpopular.

But unfortunately we are not seeing that, so promise made, promise broken (at least so far).

BTW, are we now going to call Biden the "deporter in chief" like Obama, since since Biden was apparently stricter on enforcing immigration law than Trump?
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« Reply #1 on: March 11, 2025, 12:13:49 AM »

Virtually all corporate ghouls support open borders. Almost every single elite supports open borders. The fact that the Democrats refuse say anything here is outrageous.
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« Reply #2 on: March 11, 2025, 01:00:50 AM »

Virtually all corporate ghouls support open borders. Almost every single elite supports open borders. The fact that the Democrats refuse say anything here is outrageous.

Dems should absolutely attack Trump for not following through on his promised mass deportations, but only because they are not actually happening.

Mass deportations are one of those things that are popular only when they are not happening. It sounds to a lot of low info voter types as though it would be good, because they don't think far enough ahead to realize that would entail other consequences (in particular, the previously mentioned spike in food prices).

However, I don't think that applies to you, you are not a low info voter and you obviously do think things through enough to post here.

So, let's try to think this through.

If Trump changes course and actually does begin mass deportations, then it will play out similarly to the tariffs, with it starting to become unpopular as soon as it starts to have real tangible real world economic collateral damage. Suddenly there would be nobody to pick crops from the fields, nobody to milk the cows, and nobody to chop up the meat in the meat packing plants.

Now, I assume what you are thinking is that would be a good thing, with the idea that it would raise wages. And in the short term, I do agree with you that at least to some degree it would.

However, it would primarily raise nominal wages in the sectors/jobs most affected which currently use the most immigrant labor. And by definition, those are the sectors/jobs that are least attractive to American workers currently. So for example, meat packing plants would have to raise wages in order to desperately try to persuade more American workers to work there. But nominal wages wouldn't rise - or wouldn't rise much in comparison - in the other sectors/jobs in which American workers are currently working. And for the American workers in those other sectors, real wages would drop, because they would all be paying a lot more for food and other things that were previously produced using immigrant labor.

Moreover, in the mid-to-long term, what would happen is that this would greatly increase the economic pressure for industries/jobs which previously had employed immigrant labor to innovate with the introduction of new labor-saving technology in order to reduce their skyrocketing labor costs. More research and development would be devoted to things like crop-picking-robots, and meat-packing robots, and because of the greater effort/focus on that sort of thing, breakthroughs would start to be made and robots that previously would have been uneconomical (because immigrant labor was cheaper) would become economical, and would start to displace the American labor that you want.

And then when this new labor-saving technology were introduced, that would reduce the pressure for higher nominal wages that the mass deportations achieved in the first place, so any of the wage gains for American workers you were hoping to get as a result of the mass deportations could prove to be just transitory blips.

So I don't think that this is really the great solution to making things better for American workers that you might think it is.
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« Reply #3 on: March 11, 2025, 09:25:15 AM »

It doesn't matter. He's tougher on "optics" and therefore is fulfilling his promise.

That's kind of a good thing though if this administration realizes they don't have to do much more to actively make things worse.
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« Reply #4 on: March 11, 2025, 09:35:00 AM »

So are the mass deportations in the room with us now?

Yet another clear sign that Musk is running the show. If Bannon and Homan had their way there'd be raids every day. Musk doesn't believe in a minimum wage or in any kind of labor rights so of course he wants illegal immigrants to stay.
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« Reply #5 on: March 11, 2025, 09:38:45 AM »

Don't bother me with stupid numbers. Senile Joe was weak at the border and presided over a recession and inflation spike. Right after Ukraine under Dictator Zelensky attacked the peace-loving Russia under its democratically elected President Vladimir V. Putin. That's all information that is censored by blue state governors and fascist EU bureaucrats!!1!
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« Reply #6 on: March 11, 2025, 10:58:11 AM »

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/political-commentary/democrats-losing-trump-immigration-1235291918/

Great article about how immigration became such a disastrous issue for Democrats over the past four years. Instead of making up strawmen and pretending Democrats can do no wrong, understand why people have legitimate concerns and how those concerns can be addressed.
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« Reply #7 on: March 11, 2025, 10:59:47 AM »

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/political-commentary/democrats-losing-trump-immigration-1235291918/

Great article about how immigration became such a disastrous issue for Democrats over the past four years. Instead of making up strawmen and pretending Democrats can do no wrong, understand why people have legitimate concerns and how those concerns can be addressed.

It's paywalled

maybe instead you could tell us how you feel about Trump failing to meaningfully address one of his voters' most important priorities
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