This Nikki Haley quote on Israel is why America is an unserious country.

[wetris]

And we have to remember, the reason we have Israel's back is because it's not that Israel needs America, America needs Israel.

Setting aside the fact that America is actively supporting a massive genocide, this makes the country look incredibly weak.

The saddest part is, your leaders on both sides agree with her.

Jewish and Israeli Americans, do you not find this vulgar and patronizing?

[TheReckoning]

I’ve never heard an argument of why America needs Israel any less than they need Ukraine.

[The People's Liberation Army of Rancho Cucamonga]

American Christians do think we need Israel, though. They believe that it's necessary for Israel to exist in order to usher in their apocalyptic end-of-days fantasies.

[The People's Liberation Army of Rancho Cucamonga]

I’ve never heard an argument of why America needs Israel any less than they need Ukraine.

Supporting Ukraine increases America's diplomatic and soft power on the global stage. Supporting Israel weakens both. Easiest answer ever.

[wetris]

I’ve never heard an argument of why America needs Israel any less than they need Ukraine.

Ukraine is a proxy war against Russia, one of America's enemies. You can disagree with it, but it makes sense. I don't, because the war lasting longer disrupts global oil and gas supply chains, but I'm not an American.

Supporting Israel is making America a target against Islamic terrorists. Despite rampant Islamophobia (which is unfortunate, my own people, as an Indian, hate Muslims as well) and imperialistic agendas, Muslims are largely a peaceful lot.

[TheReckoning]

I’ve never heard an argument of why America needs Israel any less than they need Ukraine.

Supporting Ukraine increases America's diplomatic and soft power on the global stage. Supporting Israel weakens both. Easiest answer ever.

This is a good point, but I don’t think that Israel is a useless ally in terms of Middle Eastern intelligence. Alternatively, we could pivot more towards the Gulf States, which I would not necessarily be opposed to.

[The People's Liberation Army of Rancho Cucamonga]

I’ve never heard an argument of why America needs Israel any less than they need Ukraine.

Supporting Ukraine increases America's diplomatic and soft power on the global stage. Supporting Israel weakens both. Easiest answer ever.

This is a good point, but I don’t think that Israel is a useless ally in terms of Middle Eastern intelligence. Alternatively, we could pivot more towards the Gulf States, which I would not necessarily be opposed to.

Saying "Israel is useful to us in certain ways" is very different from saying "We need Israel more than Israel needs us." The former acknowledges a cold truth of geopolitical calculus; the latter is delusional neocon fairyland claptrap.

[HisGrace]

I’ve never heard an argument of why America needs Israel any less than they need Ukraine.

Supporting Ukraine increases America's diplomatic and soft power on the global stage. Supporting Israel weakens both. Easiest answer ever.

Trump withdrawing support for Ukraine in such a theatric fashion weakens America's soft power and makes people question how valuable we are as an ally, but sitting out Russia-Ukraine in the first place wouldn't have weakened US soft power at all. The same would also be true of an abrupt withdrawal of support for Israel. Ultimately both situations are about standing by a long term ally and defending liberalism.

Supporting Israel is making America a target against Islamic terrorists. Despite rampant Islamophobia (which is unfortunate, my own people, as an Indian, hate Muslims as well) and imperialistic agendas, Muslims are largely a peaceful lot.

Since Muslims are largely a peaceful lot there's no reason to dictate our foreign policy around avoiding Islamic terrorism unless you're Islamophobic.

[wetris]

Supporting Israel is making America a target against Islamic terrorists. Despite rampant Islamophobia (which is unfortunate, my own people, as an Indian, hate Muslims as well) and imperialistic agendas, Muslims are largely a peaceful lot.

Since Muslims are largely a peaceful lot there's no reason to dictate our foreign policy around avoiding Islamic terrorism unless you're Islamophobic.

This is delusional. The American foreign policy consensus decided decades ago that all Muslims are terrorists.

[longtimelurker]

And we have to remember, the reason we have Israel's back is because it's not that Israel needs America, America needs Israel.

Setting aside the fact that America is actively supporting a massive genocide, this makes the country look incredibly weak.

The saddest part is, your leaders on both sides agree with her.

Jewish and Israeli Americans, do you not find this vulgar and patronizing?

I have been anti-Likud since Menachem Begin.  Likud has destroyed the moral character of Israel.  I hate Hamas with every fiber of my being.  But what Netanyahu has, and continues, to perpetrate in the name of Israel leaves me speechless, with my facial expression an open-mouthed gasp of incredulity.

[The '90s' Last Champion]

If only we elected her. 😢

[Progressive Pessimist]

Nikki Haley is an unserious political figure.

[HisGrace]

Supporting Israel is making America a target against Islamic terrorists. Despite rampant Islamophobia (which is unfortunate, my own people, as an Indian, hate Muslims as well) and imperialistic agendas, Muslims are largely a peaceful lot.

Since Muslims are largely a peaceful lot there's no reason to dictate our foreign policy around avoiding Islamic terrorism unless you're Islamophobic.

This is delusional. The American foreign policy consensus decided decades ago that all Muslims are terrorists.

I'm not talking about the American foreign policy establishment, if you think Muslims are "largely a peaceful lot" then you shouldn't be concerned about blowback from supporting Israel.

[Vosem]

And we have to remember, the reason we have Israel's back is because it's not that Israel needs America, America needs Israel.

Setting aside the fact that America is actively supporting a massive genocide, this makes the country look incredibly weak.

The saddest part is, your leaders on both sides agree with her.

Jewish and Israeli Americans, do you not find this vulgar and patronizing?

Absolutely not!

[AtorBoltox]

I’ve never heard an argument of why America needs Israel any less than they need Ukraine.

Supporting Ukraine increases America's diplomatic and soft power on the global stage.

Does it? Outside of the western world(countries that were already American allies) most countries have been neutral to outright supportive of Russia. Which countries that were cool towards the US have become more supportive during the war? The Abraham Accords did a lot more to bolster America’s diplomatic standing than anything they’ve done vis a vis Ukraine.

[Vosem]

And we have to remember, the reason we have Israel's back is because it's not that Israel needs America, America needs Israel.

Setting aside the fact that America is actively supporting a massive genocide, this makes the country look incredibly weak.

The saddest part is, your leaders on both sides agree with her.

Jewish and Israeli Americans, do you not find this vulgar and patronizing?

Absolutely not!

This post formerly featured an explanation of why it is not vulgar and patronizing, and an exhortation for OP (...and everyone on Earth, really) to embrace better values than the ones they have, but has been altered. I don't feel comfortable changing it back, or rephrasing what was previously written, because I don't understand how that post broke Atlas's rules, and I don't want to break them because I understand that my presence here is a privilege.

[AtorBoltox]

I’ve never heard an argument of why America needs Israel any less than they need Ukraine.

Supporting Ukraine increases America's diplomatic and soft power on the global stage.

Does it? Outside of the western world(countries that were already American allies) most countries have been neutral to outright supportive of Russia. Which countries that were cool towards the US have become more supportive during the war? The Abraham Accords did a lot more to bolster America’s diplomatic standing than anything they’ve done vis a vis Ukraine.

This is not, to clarify, an argument that we shouldn’t support Ukraine. The non western world responds to power and economic incentives, which is why they line up behind Russia and China. America should not abandon its allies or upend its foreign policy in a fruitless attempt to get anti western dictators to like it.

[○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└]

The USS Liberty certainly didn't need Israel.

[Arizona Iced Tea]

Even on the right that viewpoint is fading out and pretty much exclusive to boomers. No one under age 50 is saying the "greatest ally" stuff anymore. Even Matt Walsh is starting to turn his wheels and Charlie Kirk is slowly pivoting. (These were people who were hardcore zionists 2 years ago). Widespread support for Israel has <5 years left and it could flip even quicker if the pro-Palestine crowd can put on a better face and not look like cringe college kids.

[The '90s' Last Champion]

Even on the right that viewpoint is fading out and pretty much exclusive to boomers. No one under age 50 is saying the "greatest ally" stuff anymore. Even Matt Walsh is starting to turn his wheels and Charlie Kirk is slowly pivoting. (These were people who were hardcore zionists 2 years ago). Widespread support for Israel has <5 years left and it could flip even quicker if the pro-Palestine crowd can put on a better face and not look like cringe college kids.

The youth are the enemy of the people.

[Transgender for Everybody]

The youth are the enemy of the people.

Kid, the youth are the people.

[K.W.R.A.E. 8647]

Even on the right that viewpoint is fading out and pretty much exclusive to boomers. No one under age 50 is saying the "greatest ally" stuff anymore. Even Matt Walsh is starting to turn his wheels and Charlie Kirk is slowly pivoting. (These were people who were hardcore zionists 2 years ago). Widespread support for Israel has <5 years left and it could flip even quicker if the pro-Palestine crowd can put on a better face and not look like cringe college kids.

"These prominent right wing morons are starting to agree with me. This is validation for the antisemitic opinions I gleaned from consuming twitter slop on a daily basis (I have never read a book)"

[certified hummus supporter 🇵🇸🤝🇺🇸🤝🇺🇦]

Even on the right that viewpoint is fading out and pretty much exclusive to boomers. No one under age 50 is saying the "greatest ally" stuff anymore. Even Matt Walsh is starting to turn his wheels and Charlie Kirk is slowly pivoting. (These were people who were hardcore zionists 2 years ago). Widespread support for Israel has <5 years left and it could flip even quicker if the pro-Palestine crowd can put on a better face and not look like cringe college kids.

The youth are the enemy of the people.

Dude, I probably shouldn't be saying this given that it's Ramadan, but seriously, go outside. Go have fun, go and actually live life like someone your, no, our age is supposed to do.

[Vosem]

"We will win because of our support among the youth" is loserspeak, and always has been. Basically on par with "the only poll that matters is on Election Day".

(Never forget the future belongs to old people, and over time it will belong to people who are older and older. The era of the Senile Presidents has barely begun)

Even on the right that viewpoint is fading out and pretty much exclusive to boomers. No one under age 50 is saying the "greatest ally" stuff anymore. Even Matt Walsh is starting to turn his wheels and Charlie Kirk is slowly pivoting. (These were people who were hardcore zionists 2 years ago). Widespread support for Israel has <5 years left and it could flip even quicker if the pro-Palestine crowd can put on a better face and not look like cringe college kids.

The youth are the enemy of the people.

Nah. History teaches that the ones who make it to old age will be fine by that point.

Even on the right that viewpoint is fading out and pretty much exclusive to boomers. No one under age 50 is saying the "greatest ally" stuff anymore. Even Matt Walsh is starting to turn his wheels and Charlie Kirk is slowly pivoting. (These were people who were hardcore zionists 2 years ago). Widespread support for Israel has <5 years left and it could flip even quicker if the pro-Palestine crowd can put on a better face and not look like cringe college kids.

The youth are the enemy of the people.

Dude, I probably shouldn't be saying this given that it's Ramadan, but seriously, go outside. Go have fun, go and actually live life like someone your, no, our age is supposed to do.

For once I agree with you in an Israel-Palestine thread! It'll all be OK.

[Tokugawa Sexgod Ieyasu]

I’ve never heard an argument of why America needs Israel any less than they need Ukraine.

Supporting Ukraine increases America's diplomatic and soft power on the global stage. Supporting Israel weakens both. Easiest answer ever.

Trump withdrawing support for Ukraine in such a theatric fashion weakens America's soft power and makes people question how valuable we are as an ally, but sitting out Russia-Ukraine in the first place wouldn't have weakened US soft power at all.

I get what you're saying here, but I disagree. It might not have weakened American soft power as badly as Trump's behavior has, but it would still have made us look feckless and do-nothing, especially if countries like Britain, France, and Poland had strongly supported Ukraine rather than sitting it out as well.