If you HAD to pick, which Cabinet (or same-level) departments/agencies would you save from repeal?
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  If you HAD to pick, which Cabinet (or same-level) departments/agencies would you save from repeal?
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Question: If you HAD to pick, which Cabinet (or same-level) departments/agencies would you SAVE from repeal? I'm also including some of the most well-known independent agency/commissions that aren't formally under a Cabinet department.
#1
Department of Interior (began in 1849)
 
#2
Department of Agriculture (began in 1889)
 
#3
Department of Commerce (1913)
 
#4
Department of Labor (1913)
 
#5
Department of Health & Human Services (1953)
 
#6
Department of Housing & Urban Development (1965)
 
#7
Department of Transportation (1966)
 
#8
Department of Energy (1977)
 
#9
Department of Education (1979)
 
#10
Department of Veteran Affairs (1989)
 
#11
Department of Homeland Secuity (2003)
 
#12
Environmental Protection Agency (1970)
 
#13
CIA (1947) plus the larger Intelligence community
 
#14
Small Business Administration (1953)
 
#15
U.S. Postal Service (reorganized 1971, once upon a time at cabinet-level)
 
#16
Amtrak (1971)
 
#17
Commodity Futures Trading Commission (1974)
 
#18
Consumer Financial Protection Bureau (2011)
 
#19
Export–Import Bank of the United States (1934)
 
#20
Federal Communications Commission (1934)
 
#21
Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation (1933)
 
#22
Federal Election Commission (1974)
 
#23
Federal Housing Finance Agency (2008)
 
#24
Federal Reserve (1913)
 
#25
Federal Trade Commission (1914)
 
#26
General Services Administration (1949)
 
#27
NASA (1958)
 
#28
National Labor Relations Board (1935)
 
#29
National Science Foundation (1950)
 
#30
Peace Corps (1961)
 
#31
Securities and Exchange Commission (1934)
 
#32
Social Security Administration (1935)
 
#33
Tennessee Valley Authority (1933)
 
#34
Office of Personnel Management  (1979)
 
#35
The Smithsonian Institute (1946)
 
#36
AmeriCorps / VISTA / Civilian Community Corps / Corporation for National & Community Service aka domestic Peace Corps (1965 for VISTA, 1993 for the rest which absorbed VISTA)
 
#37
National Archives and Records Administration (1934)
 
#38
Equal Employment Opportunity Commission (1964)
 
#39
Consumer Product Safety Commission (1972)
 
#40
Corporation for Public Broadcasting (CPB), including Public Broadcasting Service (PBS) & National Public Radio (NPR) (1967)
 
#41
National Endowment for the Arts (1965)
 
#42
National Endowment for the Humanities (1965)
 
#43
John F. Kennedy Center for the Performing Arts (1971)
 
#44
National Gallery of Art (1937)
 
#45
United States Holocaust Memorial Museum (1993)
 
#46
National Fish and Wildlife Foundation (1984)
 
#47
Legal Services Corporation (1974)
 
#48
Something else that's NOT a sub-division of something above... please name
 
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« on: March 08, 2025, 10:55:23 PM »

If you HAD to pick, which Cabinet (or same-level) departments/agencies would you save from repeal? I'm also including some of the most well-known independent agency/commissions that aren't formally under a Cabinet department. (FDA is under HHS, OSHA is under Labor, NOAA is under Commerce, FEMA and ICE are under Homeland Security, FBI is under Justice, so that's why those aren't on the list.)

I'm just not going to include the 4 that were there since the beginning (State, Defense, Treasury, Justice).

I'm limiting this to 10 choices.
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« Reply #1 on: March 08, 2025, 11:13:38 PM »

I guess Interior, Agriculture, Commerce, HHS, Energy, CIA, FDIC, Federal Reserve, GSA, and the SEC?
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« Reply #2 on: March 08, 2025, 11:14:04 PM »

Not sure what you mean, because President Musk hasn't repealed any agencies at all. The word "repeal" refers to getting rid of legislation, via Congress passing another bill revoking a previous one. And President Musk has done none of that. All he has done is just do a bunch of stuff without any regard to (or for) the law.
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« Reply #3 on: March 08, 2025, 11:26:43 PM »

In any case, I voted for:



The Smithsonian Institute (1946)

AmeriCorps / VISTA / Civilian Community Corps / Corporation for National & Community Service aka domestic Peace Corps (1965 for VISTA, 1993 for the rest which absorbed VISTA)

Corporation for Public Broadcasting (CPB), including Public Broadcasting Service (PBS) & National Public Radio (NPR) (1967)

National Endowment for the Arts (1965)

National Endowment for the Humanities (1965)

John F. Kennedy Center for the Performing Arts (1971)

National Gallery of Art (1937)

United States Holocaust Memorial Museum (1993)

National Fish and Wildlife Foundation (1984)

Legal Services Corporation (1974)


My reasoning for those is that the other ones are all for the most part a lot more immediately essential than those. So if all the other ones were gotten rid of, this would cause a lot more Trump voters to suffer a lot more. Major aspects of society would stop functioning in a recognizable way, and major economic and societal chaos would ensue. This would be good, because then a lot of those Trump voters would learn a valuable lesson and hopefully no longer support Trump or other Republicans, since they would see how important it is to actually have a functioning government. Since so many Trump voters are not capable of learning from anything other than personal experience (if that), the only way they can learn not to touch a hot stove is to actually touch the hot stove so that they can personally experience the fact that it's not a good idea.
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« Reply #4 on: March 08, 2025, 11:42:29 PM »

In any case, I voted for:



The Smithsonian Institute (1946)

AmeriCorps / VISTA / Civilian Community Corps / Corporation for National & Community Service aka domestic Peace Corps (1965 for VISTA, 1993 for the rest which absorbed VISTA)

Corporation for Public Broadcasting (CPB), including Public Broadcasting Service (PBS) & National Public Radio (NPR) (1967)

National Endowment for the Arts (1965)

National Endowment for the Humanities (1965)

John F. Kennedy Center for the Performing Arts (1971)

National Gallery of Art (1937)

United States Holocaust Memorial Museum (1993)

National Fish and Wildlife Foundation (1984)

Legal Services Corporation (1974)


My reasoning for those is that the other ones are all for the most part a lot more immediately essential than those. So if all the other ones were gotten rid of, this would cause a lot more Trump voters to suffer a lot more. Major aspects of society would stop functioning in a recognizable way, and major economic and societal chaos would ensue. This would be good, because then a lot of those Trump voters would learn a valuable lesson and hopefully no longer support Trump or other Republicans, since they would see how important it is to actually have a functioning government. Since so many Trump voters are not capable of learning from anything other than personal experience (if that), the only way they can learn not to touch a hot stove is to actually touch the hot stove so that they can personally experience the fact that it's not a good idea.

The Smithsonian and the museums should become part of th Secretary of Interior.
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« Reply #5 on: March 09, 2025, 12:02:23 AM »
« Edited: March 09, 2025, 12:08:39 AM by Blue3 »

Obviously very tough, but I voted for:

-Department of Agriculture (widespread starvation isn't an issue right now... let's keep it that way, and hopefully regulate companies like Monsanto, and keep administering SNAP... without enough food, there is no civilization, and we are going to have some potential threats to our food production & supply only increase the rest of this century)

-EPA (I like clean air and clean water, and it doesn't fit neatly anywhere else)

-CIA/Intelligence (capable and guilty of abuse, but we need some kind of intelligence, while some parts of homeland security could go under justice or to the states - though the case could be made to put this under Defense or State)

-Postal Service (everyone in the country should have a right to direct communication service & mailing service that isn't driven by profit)

-Amtrak (everyone in the country should have a right to a direct transportation service that's not driven by profit, even if it can't be everywhere, while Department of Transportation seems too bureaucratic and not direct enough)

-FDIC (very important in times of financial crash, could also just be moved to Treasury)

-NASA (we've seen recently that privatization and leaving space to corporations might not be in our long-tern national interest, plus there's science that might not turn a profit at first)

-NLRB (seems much more important than the Department of Labor itself, and could also include OSHA responsibilities)

-Social Security Administration (for the existence of Social Security... and we could just move Medicare/Medicaid back under this... or maybe just put this under Treasury?)

-National Archives & Records Administration (we should keep history and just generally track what we do, this is government 101, and maybe the museums like the Smithsonian can be put under this, along with BLS and probably the patent/trademark office & census make sense here.)




(I wanted to put GSA and OPM, as also being government 101, but I justified that could always be done at the department/agency level.

Maybe DoJ could take over Legal Services Administration duties, Consumer Product Safety legal responsibilities/enforcement, immigration & border law enforcement, well as EEOC and FEC & veteran nondiscrimination & special education nondiscrimination responsibilities.

FDA can go under Agriculture.

OSHA can combine with NLRB.

Perhaps Treasury could just directly take over SEC, FTC, servicing student loans & low-income schools, and Federal Reserve duties... and I know the importance of an independent Federal Reserve, but again, couldn't put that above the others.

Housing and Transportation & Energy infrastructure projects in general can just be funding that's administered by the states, as well as disaster responses done by FEMA & CDC, maybe with Treasury doing the coordination with FEMA & CDC & "Special Projects" offices within it?

Nuclear power plant regulation makes most sense under Defense, in this scenario... NOAA and the Geological Survey could go under Defense too.

For Interior's two-fold mission, national parks and tribal reservations - parks & fisheries/wildlife protections could go under environmental protection and tribal reservations could go under DoJ?

I really wanted to save PBS/NPR, and the National Science Foundation, but I just couldn't put them above the others mentioned.

I'm not sure if FCC is worth being up there among the others either, if we have to prioritize, especially since it can sometimes over-regulate.)



Anyhow, that's the best I could do. But honestly, I'd do a total reorganization.


Not sure what you mean, because President Musk hasn't repealed any agencies at all. The word "repeal" refers to getting rid of legislation, via Congress passing another bill revoking a previous one. And President Musk has done none of that. All he has done is just do a bunch of stuff without any regard to (or for) the law.

I'm not commenting directly on Musk.

Just figured this would be a timely thread due to DOGE, but it's not about DOGE.
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« Reply #6 on: March 09, 2025, 07:03:59 AM »

I think that some functions could be consolidated, for example

CFTC and the SEC
FDIC and the FED
The Smithsonian and all the Arts, Humanities and Archives.
Consumer Products and Consumer Finance.
Commerce, Trade, Export-Import bank.
EPA, Fish and Wildlife.
Transport and AMTRAK.

Of course the reasons for mergers is usually to get rid of overlaping managers, theoretically increasing productivity by increasing the numbers of workers per manager.

On the other hand things may become too complex to manage.
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« Reply #7 on: March 09, 2025, 12:11:29 PM »

USDA
DOT
DHS
EPA
USPS
CFTC
FDIC
Fed
SEC
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« Reply #8 on: March 09, 2025, 02:59:30 PM »

Of course the reasons for mergers is usually to get rid of overlaping managers, theoretically increasing productivity by increasing the numbers of workers per manager.

On the other hand things may become too complex to manage.

With no signs of political polarization slowing down, only growing, even if Democrats win the Presidency/Congress again I'm just tired of the whiplash and it's just not sustainable (there's also the leanings of this Supreme Court for the foreseeable future). I think we just need to accept some things should go back to the states, or be more directly administered to the states. I know that's a traditional GOP talking point, but as they're getting more extreme and brave to actually make this kind of mess as the federal level, it's best just for national stability and for the sake of the people who are helped by many of these programs and services. Some things just can't really be done at the state level, and those are the things we must fight hardest to preserve, reform, and strengthen.
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