Musk retweets Ben Shapiro: "pardon Derek Chauvin"

[Skill and Chance]

This would be a horrible decision.  Last thing on earth Trump needs to relitigate at this time after his meaningful 2024 gains with non-white voters.

[Hindsight was 2020]

The American Right has truly become evil at this point. People like Trump, Vance, Musk and B. Shapiro aren't conservatives. They're fascists to the core. There is no logical argument against this. The "New Right" across national borders is a cancer on human kind.

Correct. There is nothing conservative about the American right wing. It's now a fascist party driven by the personality cult of Donald Trump

Unfortunately, way too few conservatives are standing up to it. I like the quote of a famous retired, old school CDU politican, who always says "I'm not fighting against AfD despite I'm a conservative, I'm fighting against AfD because I'm a conservative."

Nationalism isn’t the same in different counties though. American nationalism unlike nationalism from different European countries has been a positive . AFD is bad particularly cause German nationalism in particular(which has roots in Prussian nationalism) has been used for evil in a way no other nationalism has . On the other hand American nationalism has been a force of good .

Ben Shapiro while clearly morally wrong here is also not a fascist . Ben Shapiro is one of the strongest advocates for reducing the power of government out there and has criticized Trump multiple times .

Tell that to Native Americans

[OSR stands with Israel]

The American Right has truly become evil at this point. People like Trump, Vance, Musk and B. Shapiro aren't conservatives. They're fascists to the core. There is no logical argument against this. The "New Right" across national borders is a cancer on human kind.

Correct. There is nothing conservative about the American right wing. It's now a fascist party driven by the personality cult of Donald Trump

Unfortunately, way too few conservatives are standing up to it. I like the quote of a famous retired, old school CDU politican, who always says "I'm not fighting against AfD despite I'm a conservative, I'm fighting against AfD because I'm a conservative."

Nationalism isn’t the same in different counties though. American nationalism unlike nationalism from different European countries has been a positive . AFD is bad particularly cause German nationalism in particular(which has roots in Prussian nationalism) has been used for evil in a way no other nationalism has . On the other hand American nationalism has been a force of good .

Ben Shapiro while clearly morally wrong here is also not a fascist . Ben Shapiro is one of the strongest advocates for reducing the power of government out there and has criticized Trump multiple times .

Tell that to Native Americans

While we were terrible to the Native Americans , the British and Spanish were much worse

[President Johnson]

The American Right has truly become evil at this point. People like Trump, Vance, Musk and B. Shapiro aren't conservatives. They're fascists to the core. There is no logical argument against this. The "New Right" across national borders is a cancer on human kind.

Correct. There is nothing conservative about the American right wing. It's now a fascist party driven by the personality cult of Donald Trump

Unfortunately, way too few conservatives are standing up to it. I like the quote of a famous retired, old school CDU politican, who always says "I'm not fighting against AfD despite I'm a conservative, I'm fighting against AfD because I'm a conservative."

Nationalism isn’t the same in different counties though. American nationalism unlike nationalism from different European countries has been a positive . AFD is bad particularly cause German nationalism in particular(which has roots in Prussian nationalism) has been used for evil in a way no other nationalism has . On the other hand American nationalism has been a force of good .

Ben Shapiro while clearly morally wrong here is also not a fascist . Ben Shapiro is one of the strongest advocates for reducing the power of government out there and has criticized Trump multiple times .

Tell that to Native Americans

Nationalism is always bad, regardless of the country. Not to be confused with healthy patriotism. Between the two is a notable difference.

[OSR stands with Israel]

The American Right has truly become evil at this point. People like Trump, Vance, Musk and B. Shapiro aren't conservatives. They're fascists to the core. There is no logical argument against this. The "New Right" across national borders is a cancer on human kind.

Correct. There is nothing conservative about the American right wing. It's now a fascist party driven by the personality cult of Donald Trump

Unfortunately, way too few conservatives are standing up to it. I like the quote of a famous retired, old school CDU politican, who always says "I'm not fighting against AfD despite I'm a conservative, I'm fighting against AfD because I'm a conservative."

Nationalism isn’t the same in different counties though. American nationalism unlike nationalism from different European countries has been a positive . AFD is bad particularly cause German nationalism in particular(which has roots in Prussian nationalism) has been used for evil in a way no other nationalism has . On the other hand American nationalism has been a force of good .

Ben Shapiro while clearly morally wrong here is also not a fascist . Ben Shapiro is one of the strongest advocates for reducing the power of government out there and has criticized Trump multiple times .

Tell that to Native Americans

Nationalism is always bad, regardless of the country. Not to be confused with healthy patriotism. Between the two is a notable difference.

Why , not all nationalism is ethno nationalism . Etho Nationalism is bad because it’s based on a certain ethnicity being superior which is an evil belief but there is nothing wrong in believing your country is the greatest .

In fact growing up in schools we were straight up taught that America is the greatest nation on earth and greatest force of freedom the world has ever seen and watched shows like Liberty Kids in school.  It is true as well because the fact is no other super power on earth used their power to actually advance freedom while we did . The British used it to colonize the world , the French/Spanish were no different etc .

[K.W.R.A.E. 8647]

Like OSR, Ben Shapiro once correctly identified January 6 as a supremely dangerous assault on the foundations of American democracy and society... only to walk it all back a few years later when its ringleader beckoned.

[Ferguson97]

In fact growing up in schools we were straight up taught that America is the greatest nation on earth and greatest force of freedom the world has ever seen and watched shows like Liberty Kids in school.  It is true as well because the fact is no other super power on earth used their power to actually advance freedom while we did . The British used it to colonize the world , the French/Spanish were no different etc .

How do you write this and not realize that you have been propagandized?

[OSR stands with Israel]

In fact growing up in schools we were straight up taught that America is the greatest nation on earth and greatest force of freedom the world has ever seen and watched shows like Liberty Kids in school.  It is true as well because the fact is no other super power on earth used their power to actually advance freedom while we did . The British used it to colonize the world , the French/Spanish were no different etc .

How do you write this and not realize that you have been propagandized?

Cause there is nothing wrong with this . It was a mistake moving away from education like this

[Ferguson97]

Cause there is nothing wrong with this . It was a mistake moving away from education like this

Why shouldn’t we just teach the facts—the good and the bad that America has done—and let people come to their own conclusions on morality?

[President Johnson]

The American Right has truly become evil at this point. People like Trump, Vance, Musk and B. Shapiro aren't conservatives. They're fascists to the core. There is no logical argument against this. The "New Right" across national borders is a cancer on human kind.

Correct. There is nothing conservative about the American right wing. It's now a fascist party driven by the personality cult of Donald Trump

Unfortunately, way too few conservatives are standing up to it. I like the quote of a famous retired, old school CDU politican, who always says "I'm not fighting against AfD despite I'm a conservative, I'm fighting against AfD because I'm a conservative."

Nationalism isn’t the same in different counties though. American nationalism unlike nationalism from different European countries has been a positive . AFD is bad particularly cause German nationalism in particular(which has roots in Prussian nationalism) has been used for evil in a way no other nationalism has . On the other hand American nationalism has been a force of good .

Ben Shapiro while clearly morally wrong here is also not a fascist . Ben Shapiro is one of the strongest advocates for reducing the power of government out there and has criticized Trump multiple times .

Tell that to Native Americans

Nationalism is always bad, regardless of the country. Not to be confused with healthy patriotism. Between the two is a notable difference.

Why , not all nationalism is ethno nationalism . Etho Nationalism is bad because it’s based on a certain ethnicity being superior which is an evil belief but there is nothing wrong in believing your country is the greatest .

In fact growing up in schools we were straight up taught that America is the greatest nation on earth and greatest force of freedom the world has ever seen and watched shows like Liberty Kids in school.  It is true as well because the fact is no other super power on earth used their power to actually advance freedom while we did . The British used it to colonize the world , the French/Spanish were no different etc .

Nationalist movements or nationalism in general promotes an exclusionary and divisive ideology. One that prioritizes the interests of one particular nation over others. That often leads to xenophobia, conflicts and the suppression of minority rights. It can easily foster a sense of superiority and entitlement, resulting in aggressive foreign policies and undermining multilateralism. But international cooperation and a global world order is needed to tackle major problems such as climate change, securing peace, economic issues, terrorism and much more.

In contrast, healthy patriotism is characterized by a love for one's country that encourages civic responsibility, inclusivity, and a commitment to the common good without devaluing or dismissing others. While patriotism celebrates national identity and values, nationalism can lead to harmful or even devastating consequences (as history and recent developments across the globe illustrate). That's also why it's essential to distinguish between the two. Trump's "America First" agenda means "America alone" in reality and does more harm to both America and its traditional allies. The only sides that benefit from this disastrous policy are Russia and China.

Obviously governments are elected to serve their own countries primarily, but there's enough room to do this in a much better way.

[7,052,770]

In fact growing up in schools we were straight up taught that America is the greatest nation on earth and greatest force of freedom the world has ever seen and watched shows like Liberty Kids in school.  It is true as well because the fact is no other super power on earth used their power to actually advance freedom while we did . The British used it to colonize the world , the French/Spanish were no different etc .

If you truly believed in that ideal, why would you vote for the candidate whose Ukraine plan is to force Ukraine (free and democratic) to surrender and be absorbed (either directly or puppeted like Belarus) into a violent, autocratic enemy like Russia?

[K.W.R.A.E. 8647]

In fact growing up in schools we were straight up taught that America is the greatest nation on earth and greatest force of freedom the world has ever seen and watched shows like Liberty Kids in school.  It is true as well because the fact is no other super power on earth used their power to actually advance freedom while we did . The British used it to colonize the world , the French/Spanish were no different etc .

How do you write this and not realize that you have been propagandized?

Cause there is nothing wrong with this . It was a mistake moving away from education like this

"Patriotic education" is literally Maoism

[OSR stands with Israel]

The American Right has truly become evil at this point. People like Trump, Vance, Musk and B. Shapiro aren't conservatives. They're fascists to the core. There is no logical argument against this. The "New Right" across national borders is a cancer on human kind.

Correct. There is nothing conservative about the American right wing. It's now a fascist party driven by the personality cult of Donald Trump

Unfortunately, way too few conservatives are standing up to it. I like the quote of a famous retired, old school CDU politican, who always says "I'm not fighting against AfD despite I'm a conservative, I'm fighting against AfD because I'm a conservative."

Nationalism isn’t the same in different counties though. American nationalism unlike nationalism from different European countries has been a positive . AFD is bad particularly cause German nationalism in particular(which has roots in Prussian nationalism) has been used for evil in a way no other nationalism has . On the other hand American nationalism has been a force of good .

Ben Shapiro while clearly morally wrong here is also not a fascist . Ben Shapiro is one of the strongest advocates for reducing the power of government out there and has criticized Trump multiple times .

Tell that to Native Americans

Nationalism is always bad, regardless of the country. Not to be confused with healthy patriotism. Between the two is a notable difference.

Why , not all nationalism is ethno nationalism . Etho Nationalism is bad because it’s based on a certain ethnicity being superior which is an evil belief but there is nothing wrong in believing your country is the greatest .

In fact growing up in schools we were straight up taught that America is the greatest nation on earth and greatest force of freedom the world has ever seen and watched shows like Liberty Kids in school.  It is true as well because the fact is no other super power on earth used their power to actually advance freedom while we did . The British used it to colonize the world , the French/Spanish were no different etc .

Nationalist movements or nationalism in general promotes an exclusionary and divisive ideology. One that prioritizes the interests of one particular nation over others. That often leads to xenophobia, conflicts and the suppression of minority rights. It can easily foster a sense of superiority and entitlement, resulting in aggressive foreign policies and undermining multilateralism. But international cooperation and a global world order is needed to tackle major problems such as climate change, securing peace, economic issues, terrorism and much more.

In contrast, healthy patriotism is characterized by a love for one's country that encourages civic responsibility, inclusivity, and a commitment to the common good without devaluing or dismissing others. While patriotism celebrates national identity and values, nationalism can lead to harmful or even devastating consequences (as history and recent developments across the globe illustrate). That's also why it's essential to distinguish between the two. Trump's "America First" agenda means "America alone" in reality and does more harm to both America and its traditional allies. The only sides that benefit from this disastrous policy are Russia and China.

Isn’t part of citizenship to prioritize the interests of your own country over others if the two conflict . Also I disagree with the idea that Trump is the first president in the modern era to be a nationalist as I’d argue so was George W Bush and Ronald Reagan as well . American exceptionalism is a form of nationalism as well and that imo is different than “America First” isolationism.

I would even make the argument that Bush was the last truly nationalist president we have because I don’t think Trump views America to be an exceptional country either . The America of the 2000s had its problems but too much of the right and left since 2008 has become too self loathing and only looking at the negatives rather than the positives of America .

Yes we have issues but focusing too much of them helps wreck the spirit too . Sometimes you have to celebrate the positives more and that’s what we did in the 2000s . We were taught while racism exists (like Chauvin for example was a massive racist) , thanks to MLK its more of an individual problem than a societal one

[President Johnson]

In fact growing up in schools we were straight up taught that America is the greatest nation on earth and greatest force of freedom the world has ever seen and watched shows like Liberty Kids in school.  It is true as well because the fact is no other super power on earth used their power to actually advance freedom while we did . The British used it to colonize the world , the French/Spanish were no different etc .

How do you write this and not realize that you have been propagandized?

Cause there is nothing wrong with this . It was a mistake moving away from education like this

"Patriotic education" is literally Maoism

Patriotic education in Western countries should be teaching the values of their constitutions, such as free speech, a free press, the rights of minorities and other personal freedoms. It shouldn't be whitewashing of lesser fortunate chapters in a country's history (and pretty much all countries have eras that you're not supposed to be proud of).

[K.W.R.A.E. 8647]

In fact growing up in schools we were straight up taught that America is the greatest nation on earth and greatest force of freedom the world has ever seen and watched shows like Liberty Kids in school.  It is true as well because the fact is no other super power on earth used their power to actually advance freedom while we did . The British used it to colonize the world , the French/Spanish were no different etc .

How do you write this and not realize that you have been propagandized?

Cause there is nothing wrong with this . It was a mistake moving away from education like this

"Patriotic education" is literally Maoism

Patriotic education in Western countries should be teaching the values of their constitutions, such as free speech, a free press, the rights of minorities and other personal freedoms. It shouldn't be whitewashing of lesser fortunate chapters in a country's history (and pretty much all countries have eras that you're not supposed to be proud of).

Yeah. I am older than OSR and have no idea what he's talking about. I was not taught to either love or hate America. I was merely taught the history of America. I feel fortunate to have learned thus and am afraid for what's coming for kids now as our failing, dying president tries to install Christian Nationalism in public schools.

[President Johnson]

The American Right has truly become evil at this point. People like Trump, Vance, Musk and B. Shapiro aren't conservatives. They're fascists to the core. There is no logical argument against this. The "New Right" across national borders is a cancer on human kind.

Correct. There is nothing conservative about the American right wing. It's now a fascist party driven by the personality cult of Donald Trump

Unfortunately, way too few conservatives are standing up to it. I like the quote of a famous retired, old school CDU politican, who always says "I'm not fighting against AfD despite I'm a conservative, I'm fighting against AfD because I'm a conservative."

Nationalism isn’t the same in different counties though. American nationalism unlike nationalism from different European countries has been a positive . AFD is bad particularly cause German nationalism in particular(which has roots in Prussian nationalism) has been used for evil in a way no other nationalism has . On the other hand American nationalism has been a force of good .

Ben Shapiro while clearly morally wrong here is also not a fascist . Ben Shapiro is one of the strongest advocates for reducing the power of government out there and has criticized Trump multiple times .

Tell that to Native Americans

Nationalism is always bad, regardless of the country. Not to be confused with healthy patriotism. Between the two is a notable difference.

Why , not all nationalism is ethno nationalism . Etho Nationalism is bad because it’s based on a certain ethnicity being superior which is an evil belief but there is nothing wrong in believing your country is the greatest .

In fact growing up in schools we were straight up taught that America is the greatest nation on earth and greatest force of freedom the world has ever seen and watched shows like Liberty Kids in school.  It is true as well because the fact is no other super power on earth used their power to actually advance freedom while we did . The British used it to colonize the world , the French/Spanish were no different etc .

Nationalist movements or nationalism in general promotes an exclusionary and divisive ideology. One that prioritizes the interests of one particular nation over others. That often leads to xenophobia, conflicts and the suppression of minority rights. It can easily foster a sense of superiority and entitlement, resulting in aggressive foreign policies and undermining multilateralism. But international cooperation and a global world order is needed to tackle major problems such as climate change, securing peace, economic issues, terrorism and much more.

In contrast, healthy patriotism is characterized by a love for one's country that encourages civic responsibility, inclusivity, and a commitment to the common good without devaluing or dismissing others. While patriotism celebrates national identity and values, nationalism can lead to harmful or even devastating consequences (as history and recent developments across the globe illustrate). That's also why it's essential to distinguish between the two. Trump's "America First" agenda means "America alone" in reality and does more harm to both America and its traditional allies. The only sides that benefit from this disastrous policy are Russia and China.

Isn’t part of citizenship to prioritize the interests of your own country over others if the two conflict . Also I disagree with the idea that Trump is the first president in the modern era to be a nationalist as I’d argue so was George W Bush and Ronald Reagan as well . American exceptionalism is a form of nationalism as well and that imo is different than “America First” isolationism.

I would even make the argument that Bush was the last truly nationalist president we have because I don’t think Trump views America to be an exceptional country either .

Bush 43 was a disastrous president as well. Particulary on foreign policy. That just proves my point. He just looks less bad compared to Trump now, because he upheld a few basic standards and norms. The bar has become incredibly low though.

Reagan had a few highs on foreign policy, I give him that. Especially when he negotiated arms control treaties with the Soviet Union and supported German reunifaction.

[Stand With Israel. Crush Hamas]

Shapiro is legitimately the biggest sellout on the American right. Every Jewish conservative is inevitably faced with the choice of becoming a Democrat with iconoclastic opinions on tax policy or Stephen Miller.

[Pielover]

The American Right has truly become evil at this point. People like Trump, Vance, Musk and B. Shapiro aren't conservatives. They're fascists to the core. There is no logical argument against this. The "New Right" across national borders is a cancer on human kind.

Correct. There is nothing conservative about the American right wing. It's now a fascist party driven by the personality cult of Donald Trump

Unfortunately, way too few conservatives are standing up to it. I like the quote of a famous retired, old school CDU politican, who always says "I'm not fighting against AfD despite I'm a conservative, I'm fighting against AfD because I'm a conservative."

Nationalism isn’t the same in different counties though. American nationalism unlike nationalism from different European countries has been a positive . AFD is bad particularly cause German nationalism in particular(which has roots in Prussian nationalism) has been used for evil in a way no other nationalism has . On the other hand American nationalism has been a force of good .

Ben Shapiro while clearly morally wrong here is also not a fascist . Ben Shapiro is one of the strongest advocates for reducing the power of government out there and has criticized Trump multiple times .

Tell that to Native Americans

While we were terrible to the Native Americans , the British and Spanish were much worse

Ok? That doesn’t negate the point

[K.W.R.A.E. 8647]

Shapiro is legitimately the biggest sellout on the American right. Every Jewish conservative is inevitably faced with the choice of becoming a Democrat with iconoclastic opinions on tax policy or Stephen Miller.

It was awful when he legitimized Musk with that Auschwitz photo op.

[MysteryMan]

Our nationalism is more based on the idea that the concept of America (individual freedom , entrepreneurship , and spirit) is what makes us the greatest country on earth

Ben Shapiro while clearly morally wrong here is also not a fascist . Ben Shapiro is one of the strongest advocates for reducing the power of government out there and has criticized Trump multiple times .

So what part about government agents (police) being pardoned for murdering American citizens reduces the government's power?

Doesn't telling police they can kill who they want and be defended increase their power over the average American, and increase the likelihood of them abusing that power due to knowing they might get away with it?

Does police abuse of power not count as government abuse of power to you despite the police being definitionally part of the government?

[Filuwaúrdjan]

While we were terrible to the Native Americans , the British... were much worse

Not that I particularly want to go out to bat for the Empire, but this is categorically untrue. The tendency of British imperial authorities to take a protective, paternalist approach towards Native American nations was a constant point of tension between them and both the Thirteen Colonies that broke away to form the United States and the colonies in what later became Canada. Britain made alliances with certain Native polities and repeatedly tried to block the encroachment of European settlers into their territories. It is an uncomfortable truth for many reasons, but the pattern across North America was that the greater the level of self-government, the worse things got for Native populations.

[DrScholl]

Musk doesn't realize that Chauvin can't be pardoned by the President of state charges. And him being transferred to a state prison would be far less safe for him a federal one. As much as I loathe that man I wouldn't wish harm on him and that is what would happen to him in state prison. Chauvin plead guilty to federal charges for a reason.

[Red Willow]

The American Right has truly become evil at this point. People like Trump, Vance, Musk and B. Shapiro aren't conservatives. They're fascists to the core. There is no logical argument against this. The "New Right" across national borders is a cancer on human kind.

Correct. There is nothing conservative about the American right wing. It's now a fascist party driven by the personality cult of Donald Trump

Unfortunately, way too few conservatives are standing up to it. I like the quote of a famous retired, old school CDU politican, who always says "I'm not fighting against AfD despite I'm a conservative, I'm fighting against AfD because I'm a conservative."

Nationalism isn’t the same in different counties though. American nationalism unlike nationalism from different European countries has been a positive . AFD is bad particularly cause German nationalism in particular(which has roots in Prussian nationalism) has been used for evil in a way no other nationalism has . On the other hand American nationalism has been a force of good because our nationalism isn’t based on any ethnicity.

Our nationalism is more based on the idea that the concept of America (individual freedom , entrepreneurship , and spirit) is what makes us the greatest country on earth

Ben Shapiro while clearly morally wrong here is also not a fascist . Ben Shapiro is one of the strongest advocates for reducing the power of government out there and has criticized Trump multiple times .

So, because German nationalism was used for evil in the past, German nationalism is now inherently evil?

[K.W.R.A.E. 8647]

While we were terrible to the Native Americans , the British... were much worse

Not that I particularly want to go out to bat for the Empire, but this is categorically untrue. The tendency of British imperial authorities to take a protective, paternalist approach towards Native American nations was a constant point of tension between them and both the Thirteen Colonies that broke away to form the United States and the colonies in what later became Canada. Britain made alliances with certain Native polities and repeatedly tried to block the encroachment of European settlers into their territories. It is an uncomfortable truth for many reasons, but the pattern across North America was that the greater the level of self-government, the worse things got for Native populations.

OSR has clearly never heard the word "Gnaddenhutten."

[Horus]

The American Right has truly become evil at this point. People like Trump, Vance, Musk and B. Shapiro aren't conservatives. They're fascists to the core. There is no logical argument against this. The "New Right" across national borders is a cancer on human kind.

Correct. There is nothing conservative about the American right wing. It's now a fascist party driven by the personality cult of Donald Trump

Unfortunately, way too few conservatives are standing up to it. I like the quote of a famous retired, old school CDU politican, who always says "I'm not fighting against AfD despite I'm a conservative, I'm fighting against AfD because I'm a conservative."

Nationalism isn’t the same in different counties though. American nationalism unlike nationalism from different European countries has been a positive . AFD is bad particularly cause German nationalism in particular(which has roots in Prussian nationalism) has been used for evil in a way no other nationalism has . On the other hand American nationalism has been a force of good .

Ben Shapiro while clearly morally wrong here is also not a fascist . Ben Shapiro is one of the strongest advocates for reducing the power of government out there and has criticized Trump multiple times .

Tell that to Native Americans

Nationalism is always bad, regardless of the country. Not to be confused with healthy patriotism. Between the two is a notable difference.

Left wing nationalism is wonderful and has lifted many out of poverty.