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« on: March 03, 2025, 08:48:08 PM »

If the Ukraine situation perpetuates to where there are American boots on the ground . . .

1.  Will you enlist in a branch of the military?

     a.  If you answer "No", why not?

     b.  If you answer "Yes", which branch, and why?

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« Reply #1 on: March 03, 2025, 08:49:35 PM »

Are there any Democrats, on this site or in prominent political positions, who have ever advocated for putting Americans on the ground in Ukraine? Genuinely curious.

And for the record, yes, I think it's more likely I would than not. If we were actually fighting Russians on the ground, that would imply a full-scale conflict the likes of which have not been seen since WWII, and I would probably feel some duty to enlist. Though it's worth noting that right now, the more realistic scenario would be the US going to war against Ukraine on Russia's behalf.
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« Reply #2 on: March 03, 2025, 08:54:06 PM »

Are there any Democrats, on this site or in prominent political positions, who have ever advocated for putting Americans on the ground in Ukraine? Genuinely curious.

And for the record, yes, I think it's more likely I would than not. If we were actually fighting Russians on the ground, that would imply a full-scale conflict the likes of which have not been seen since WWII, and I would probably feel some duty to enlist. Though it's worth noting that right now, the more realistic scenario would be the US going to war against Ukraine on Russia's behalf.

This is derailing.  You're not manning up.
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« Reply #3 on: March 03, 2025, 08:54:55 PM »

Are there any Democrats, on this site or in prominent political positions, who have ever advocated for putting Americans on the ground in Ukraine? Genuinely curious.

And for the record, yes, I think it's more likely I would than not. If we were actually fighting Russians on the ground, that would imply a full-scale conflict the likes of which have not been seen since WWII, and I would probably feel some duty to enlist. Though it's worth noting that right now, the more realistic scenario would be the US going to war against Ukraine on Russia's behalf.

This is derailing.  You're not manning up.

I very clearly answered the question.
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« Reply #4 on: March 03, 2025, 08:55:03 PM »

No, I simply support maintaining current aid to Ukraine and negotiating with Russia while treating Ukraine and European allies as.partners, especially given tbat we are part of this alliance called "NATO" with them.

All of you fools who once humped Reagan have truly drank the Kool-Aid. There is massive middle ground between abandoning Ukraine and the Biden administration's policies towards Ukraine.
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« Reply #5 on: March 03, 2025, 08:55:09 PM »

No.

I'm legally blind.
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« Reply #6 on: March 03, 2025, 08:55:39 PM »

If American boots are on the ground in Ukraine, it's likely things are so bad a draft is brought back and if the draft age is past 25, I may not have a say in the matter. However, I haven't heard any Democrat advocate for boots on the ground in Ukraine.
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« Reply #7 on: March 03, 2025, 08:55:47 PM »

Are there any Democrats, on this site or in prominent political positions, who have ever advocated for putting Americans on the ground in Ukraine? Genuinely curious.

And for the record, yes, I think it's more likely I would than not. If we were actually fighting Russians on the ground, that would imply a full-scale conflict the likes of which have not been seen since WWII, and I would probably feel some duty to enlist. Though it's worth noting that right now, the more realistic scenario would be the US going to war against Ukraine on Russia's behalf.

This is derailing.  You're not manning up.

I very clearly answered the question.

Bold of you to assume he can read.
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« Reply #8 on: March 03, 2025, 08:57:47 PM »

Yes. I would follow in my uncle's and grandfather's footsteps and join the Navy.
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« Reply #9 on: March 03, 2025, 08:58:01 PM »

I would fight in Ukraine if asked

Unlike you, I don't shirk any calls to defend freedom.
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« Reply #10 on: March 03, 2025, 08:58:32 PM »

Are there any Democrats, on this site or in prominent political positions, who have ever advocated for putting Americans on the ground in Ukraine? Genuinely curious.

And for the record, yes, I think it's more likely I would than not. If we were actually fighting Russians on the ground, that would imply a full-scale conflict the likes of which have not been seen since WWII, and I would probably feel some duty to enlist. Though it's worth noting that right now, the more realistic scenario would be the US going to war against Ukraine on Russia's behalf.

This is derailing.  You're not manning up.

I very clearly answered the question.

Bold of you to assume he can read.

I'm also not a Democrat, so it's not like the thread even applied to me in the first place.
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« Reply #11 on: March 03, 2025, 08:59:49 PM »

Are there any Democrats, on this site or in prominent political positions, who have ever advocated for putting Americans on the ground in Ukraine? Genuinely curious.

And for the record, yes, I think it's more likely I would than not. If we were actually fighting Russians on the ground, that would imply a full-scale conflict the likes of which have not been seen since WWII, and I would probably feel some duty to enlist. Though it's worth noting that right now, the more realistic scenario would be the US going to war against Ukraine on Russia's behalf.

This is derailing.  You're not manning up.

I very clearly answered the question.

Bold of you to assume he can read.

I'm also not a Democrat, so it's not like the thread even applied to me in the first place.

Bold of me to assume I could read that you could read it was Democrats only?
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« Reply #12 on: March 03, 2025, 09:01:29 PM »

No.  I'm way, way over the maximum age.
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« Reply #13 on: March 03, 2025, 09:04:15 PM »

Girl its 2025 they can just send drones and missles now.
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« Reply #14 on: March 03, 2025, 09:12:43 PM »

No, for mental health concerns (and since a Republican is president, the fact that I am trans).
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« Reply #15 on: March 03, 2025, 09:17:39 PM »

Fuzzy Bear only..

Do you support Russia because Trump does and you’re a cultist?

Do you support Russia because you like the fact they jail gay people?
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« Reply #16 on: March 03, 2025, 09:19:08 PM »
« Edited: March 03, 2025, 09:22:47 PM by Crumpets »

I'm too old. But if I were younger, I would give it very serious consideration with the biggest sticking point being convincing my mom. I have done work with military civil affairs and psyops groups, so that might be a decent fit. But if I could pick, maybe somewhere like INSCOM?
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« Reply #17 on: March 03, 2025, 09:21:54 PM »

No.  Men can be useful in civilian employment during war.  Also I got pretty severe stomach problems that probably wouldn't make it past basic training.  Maybe Army Admin or something, idk.
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« Reply #18 on: March 03, 2025, 09:29:41 PM »

Fuzzy Bear only..

Do you support Russia because Trump does and you’re a cultist?

Do you support Russia because you like the fact they jail gay people?

The answer to both is yes.
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« Reply #19 on: March 03, 2025, 09:35:45 PM »

If America had been directly attacked by Russia I would do whatever I can though I'm likely too old. If we sent troops without being directly attacked of course not, and I've always opposed that idea along with 97% of Democrats.
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« Reply #20 on: March 03, 2025, 10:14:20 PM »
« Edited: March 03, 2025, 10:23:10 PM by Wrong about 2024 Ghost »

If the Ukraine situation perpetuates to where there are American boots on the ground . . .

1.  Will you enlist in a branch of the military?

     a.  If you answer "No", why not?

No. Multiple reasons.

1. I would never wish to be a war criminal. Joining Putin's criminal invasion of Ukraine seems a more likely scenario for "American boots on the ground" right now than any sort of intervention against said invasion.  

2. The Trump regime is not a legitimate government and I would no more put myself under the command of Donald Trump than I would Vladimir Putin or Adolf Hitler. I have gone to considerable personal effort to be able to put some distance between myself and what I see as an imminent catastrophe in the United States. Under no circumstances would I plunge back into it, in order to carry out the commands of said catastrophe's leading villains.

3. The United States Uniformed Services Oath of Office reads,
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I, [name], do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter. So help me God.

Trump, his regime, and the Republican party are enemies of the United States. Right now, as an American citizen, I bear a degree of responsibility for the actions of a country where I hold citizenship, and I feel a sense of responsibility to do what little I can to help steer it away from the disastrous course it is on. (Which I have done almost entirely through donating money to causes I believe in.)

I understand that sworn words mean nothing to Republicans, who are all liars, but they do to me.  Were I to take the above oath, I would deem myself compelled to fulfill it - and as I am neither in a position nor possessed of the necessary to talents, skills, and disposition to do so, I would not forswear myself.

That said, if there is ever constituted a military force, lawful under international law, with the goal to do to the Republican Party what was done to their Nazi forebearers, I will take service with it in whatever way I may best serve that goal.
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« Reply #21 on: March 03, 2025, 10:33:19 PM »

If the Ukraine situation perpetuates to where there are American boots on the ground . . .

1.  Will you enlist in a branch of the military?

No, I will join the Officer corps.

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a.  If you answer "No", why not?

I would prefer not to start as a PFC and earn a salary that is several factors less than my current pay. I also demand functional air supremacy.
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« Reply #22 on: March 03, 2025, 10:40:43 PM »

Yes, but I will not accept a rank lower than CPO.
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« Reply #23 on: March 03, 2025, 10:57:24 PM »

It is possible to be a Democrat and support peace and negotiation... the problem is how this is being handled!

I would be very open to Trump leading negotiations for peace if he was being respectful and acknowledging facts. There's room to negotiate, but this grandstanding and bullying is not the way to do it. I don't care if it ends up working; I don't want to live in a world where this is how we solve global problems.
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« Reply #24 on: March 03, 2025, 11:50:49 PM »

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