Democrats Will Avoid Challenging Election Results on January 6, 2025

[LBJer]

Classy over trashy.

That's never worked for Democrats before.

the key states weren't all extremely close like usual,

Harris lost Pennsylvania by 1.7 percentage points, Michigan by 1.4, and Wisconsin by less than .9.  If she had won these three states she would have won the election.  While not as close as 2016--when Hillary Clinton lost all three by less than one percent each, and also would have become president if she had won them--that's still pretty close.  

[VALibertarian]

It is interesting to think what would happen if Harris followed the Trump playbook.  

What if she refused to concede on the basis that Americans would never be stupid enough to reelect Trump after what he did following the 2020 election, therefore the results must be fraudulent?  And what if she took that to the bitter end, not only filing dozens of frivolous lawsuits and trying to intimidate election officials, but as vice-president, ultimately refusing to accept the Trump electoral votes from the battleground states on January 6--the very thing Trump urged Pence to do?

Such a scenario would bring to mind Shylock's line from The Merchant of Venice--"The villainy you teach me I will execute, and it shall go hard but I will better the instruction."

The 2020 election had legitimate concerns like the Fulton water leak, Milwaukee 4AM ballot dump, etc. Dems used the courts to push mass VBM and then the votes weren't counted for days after the election. I don't think that means it was stolen but you can't blame people for getting upset over it or suspicious.

Are we seriously still doing this?

I mean, as long as you insist on your fantasyland idea that Harris should proceed down a path that probably throws the country into violent turmoil, why not?

Oh, I see, you can't defend the indefensible so you'll try to deflect to some weird made up grievance in your mind. Bold play.

Whoa there Country Roads, I'm just pointing out GAinDC's salty detailed wishcasting that Harris subvert the will of the people (inb4 oh it's just a hypothetical). It's sad and just sour grapes at this point.

I don't think there was fraud in the 2020 election but given the unprecedented mail in voting (which itself raises the question of, how do you confirm the person who's name is on the ballot actually filled it out, but that's a whole other discussion) there was bound to be discrepancies.

[Crane]

It is interesting to think what would happen if Harris followed the Trump playbook.  

What if she refused to concede on the basis that Americans would never be stupid enough to reelect Trump after what he did following the 2020 election, therefore the results must be fraudulent?  And what if she took that to the bitter end, not only filing dozens of frivolous lawsuits and trying to intimidate election officials, but as vice-president, ultimately refusing to accept the Trump electoral votes from the battleground states on January 6--the very thing Trump urged Pence to do?

Such a scenario would bring to mind Shylock's line from The Merchant of Venice--"The villainy you teach me I will execute, and it shall go hard but I will better the instruction."

The 2020 election had legitimate concerns like the Fulton water leak, Milwaukee 4AM ballot dump, etc. Dems used the courts to push mass VBM and then the votes weren't counted for days after the election. I don't think that means it was stolen but you can't blame people for getting upset over it or suspicious.

Are we seriously still doing this?

I mean, as long as you insist on your fantasyland idea that Harris should proceed down a path that probably throws the country into violent turmoil, why not?

Oh, I see, you can't defend the indefensible so you'll try to deflect to some weird made up grievance in your mind. Bold play.

Whoa there Country Roads, I'm just pointing out GAinDC's salty detailed wishcasting that Harris subvert the will of the people (inb4 oh it's just a hypothetical). It's sad and just sour grapes at this point.

I don't think there was fraud in the 2020 election but given the unprecedented mail in voting (which itself raises the question of, how do you confirm the person who's name is on the ballot actually filled it out, but that's a whole other discussion) there was bound to be discrepancies.

GAinDC didn't post that.

And everything is a conspiracy if you don't know what you're talking about - see this article for an interesting study. https://www.newyorker.com/news/letter-from-the-south/among-americas-low-information-voters?

[New World Man]

Stop the steal. Kamala can stop it if she has the courage.

[VALibertarian]

It is interesting to think what would happen if Harris followed the Trump playbook.  

What if she refused to concede on the basis that Americans would never be stupid enough to reelect Trump after what he did following the 2020 election, therefore the results must be fraudulent?  And what if she took that to the bitter end, not only filing dozens of frivolous lawsuits and trying to intimidate election officials, but as vice-president, ultimately refusing to accept the Trump electoral votes from the battleground states on January 6--the very thing Trump urged Pence to do?

Such a scenario would bring to mind Shylock's line from The Merchant of Venice--"The villainy you teach me I will execute, and it shall go hard but I will better the instruction."

The 2020 election had legitimate concerns like the Fulton water leak, Milwaukee 4AM ballot dump, etc. Dems used the courts to push mass VBM and then the votes weren't counted for days after the election. I don't think that means it was stolen but you can't blame people for getting upset over it or suspicious.

Are we seriously still doing this?

I mean, as long as you insist on your fantasyland idea that Harris should proceed down a path that probably throws the country into violent turmoil, why not?

Oh, I see, you can't defend the indefensible so you'll try to deflect to some weird made up grievance in your mind. Bold play.

Whoa there Country Roads, I'm just pointing out GAinDC's salty detailed wishcasting that Harris subvert the will of the people (inb4 oh it's just a hypothetical). It's sad and just sour grapes at this point.

I don't think there was fraud in the 2020 election but given the unprecedented mail in voting (which itself raises the question of, how do you confirm the person who's name is on the ballot actually filled it out, but that's a whole other discussion) there was bound to be discrepancies.

GAinDC didn't post that.

And everything is a conspiracy if you don't know what you're talking about - see this article for an interesting study. https://www.newyorker.com/news/letter-from-the-south/among-americas-low-information-voters?

oh lol my bad, my apologies to GAinDC. I reaffirm the salty wishcasting critique on LBJer then.

[Crane]

It is interesting to think what would happen if Harris followed the Trump playbook.  

What if she refused to concede on the basis that Americans would never be stupid enough to reelect Trump after what he did following the 2020 election, therefore the results must be fraudulent?  And what if she took that to the bitter end, not only filing dozens of frivolous lawsuits and trying to intimidate election officials, but as vice-president, ultimately refusing to accept the Trump electoral votes from the battleground states on January 6--the very thing Trump urged Pence to do?

Such a scenario would bring to mind Shylock's line from The Merchant of Venice--"The villainy you teach me I will execute, and it shall go hard but I will better the instruction."

The 2020 election had legitimate concerns like the Fulton water leak, Milwaukee 4AM ballot dump, etc. Dems used the courts to push mass VBM and then the votes weren't counted for days after the election. I don't think that means it was stolen but you can't blame people for getting upset over it or suspicious.

Are we seriously still doing this?

I mean, as long as you insist on your fantasyland idea that Harris should proceed down a path that probably throws the country into violent turmoil, why not?

Oh, I see, you can't defend the indefensible so you'll try to deflect to some weird made up grievance in your mind. Bold play.

Whoa there Country Roads, I'm just pointing out GAinDC's salty detailed wishcasting that Harris subvert the will of the people (inb4 oh it's just a hypothetical). It's sad and just sour grapes at this point.

I don't think there was fraud in the 2020 election but given the unprecedented mail in voting (which itself raises the question of, how do you confirm the person who's name is on the ballot actually filled it out, but that's a whole other discussion) there was bound to be discrepancies.

GAinDC didn't post that.

And everything is a conspiracy if you don't know what you're talking about - see this article for an interesting study. https://www.newyorker.com/news/letter-from-the-south/among-americas-low-information-voters?

oh lol my bad, my apologies to GAinDC. I reaffirm the salty wishcasting critique on LBJer then.

You're good lol.

[Stranger in a strange land]

Challenging the results would be dumb: what would even be the basis for a challenge? I hate Trump but he won fair and square this time. He even won the popular vote, and he won without the taint of Russian interference (while there was some in his favor this time, it was nowhere near as big a factor as in 2016).

In addition, I'd advise Democrats to stop talking about GOP voter suppression entirely, at least until Trump has departed from the scene: the low-info, low-propensity voters these measures suppress voted for Trump this time and are probably responsible for his margin of victory. Some might say this is "anti-democratic" but I disagree: if someone can't even learn basic civics or take the time to educate themselves about the main issues at stake in the election, then they probably shouldn't be voting.

[The Mikado]

If we were in the world where Trump won PA by 12k votes and it was the decisive state while Harris won the popular vote I'd be saying that going down kicking and screaming was in order. We aren't. This is a solid GOP win.

[LBJer]

It is interesting to think what would happen if Harris followed the Trump playbook.  

What if she refused to concede on the basis that Americans would never be stupid enough to reelect Trump after what he did following the 2020 election, therefore the results must be fraudulent?  And what if she took that to the bitter end, not only filing dozens of frivolous lawsuits and trying to intimidate election officials, but as vice-president, ultimately refusing to accept the Trump electoral votes from the battleground states on January 6--the very thing Trump urged Pence to do?

Such a scenario would bring to mind Shylock's line from The Merchant of Venice--"The villainy you teach me I will execute, and it shall go hard but I will better the instruction."

The 2020 election had legitimate concerns like the Fulton water leak, Milwaukee 4AM ballot dump, etc. Dems used the courts to push mass VBM and then the votes weren't counted for days after the election. I don't think that means it was stolen but you can't blame people for getting upset over it or suspicious.

Are we seriously still doing this?

I mean, as long as you insist on your fantasyland idea that Harris should proceed down a path that probably throws the country into violent turmoil, why not?

Oh, I see, you can't defend the indefensible so you'll try to deflect to some weird made up grievance in your mind. Bold play.

Whoa there Country Roads, I'm just pointing out GAinDC's salty detailed wishcasting that Harris subvert the will of the people (inb4 oh it's just a hypothetical). It's sad and just sour grapes at this point.

I don't think there was fraud in the 2020 election but given the unprecedented mail in voting (which itself raises the question of, how do you confirm the person who's name is on the ballot actually filled it out, but that's a whole other discussion) there was bound to be discrepancies.

GAinDC didn't post that.

And everything is a conspiracy if you don't know what you're talking about - see this article for an interesting study. https://www.newyorker.com/news/letter-from-the-south/among-americas-low-information-voters?

oh lol my bad, my apologies to GAinDC. I reaffirm the salty wishcasting critique on LBJer then.

I didn't say I actually wanted Harris to do what I outlined in that post.  Preserving our democracy is more important than getting even with Trump.  But nevertheless, it's interesting to think about what would happen if the shoe were on the other foot.  Given what he tried to do to Biden, certainly Trump himself wouldn't have cause to cry foul, even though the voters would.  Of course, that wouldn't prevent him from doing so for a second.