When did Harris lose the Biden - Non voters?
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« on: November 30, 2024, 12:14:36 AM »

When did they reach enough critical mass to throw the election to Trump?
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« Reply #1 on: November 30, 2024, 12:18:02 AM »

Before she was a candidate. Biden lost them, not Harris. Harris gained a lot of them back, enough to prevent a wipeout, just not enough to win.
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« Reply #2 on: November 30, 2024, 03:31:52 AM »

Before she was a candidate. Biden lost them, not Harris. Harris gained a lot of them back, enough to prevent a wipeout, just not enough to win.

Well, when did Biden lose them?
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« Reply #3 on: November 30, 2024, 10:09:58 AM »

Before she was a candidate. Biden lost them, not Harris. Harris gained a lot of them back, enough to prevent a wipeout, just not enough to win.

Well, when did Biden lose them?


Any incumbent would've lost this year.

Trump is the only reason the GOP didn't have a landslide victory. Having said this, the debate crushed Biden's chances. He would never have recovered from that disaster.
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« Reply #4 on: November 30, 2024, 04:37:20 PM »

Before she was a candidate. Biden lost them, not Harris. Harris gained a lot of them back, enough to prevent a wipeout, just not enough to win.

Well, when did Biden lose them?

I'd say when inflation was peaking around 9-10%. Harris had an uphill battle and did extraordinarily well given the circumstances surrounding this election (and especially when compared to other countries' incumbent parties up for election this year).

Not related to your post -- Biden should have passed the mantle long before he did and allowed for some kind of Democratic primary, but I am extremely thankful Harris took over the ticket and prevented a Trump landslide victory. Her coming into this race definitely saved Democrats a ton of House/Senate seats.
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« Reply #5 on: November 30, 2024, 06:20:46 PM »

She never had them and was never going to get them.

All she did was secure the most devout, tuned-in Democrats who were apathetic or unenthusiastic about Biden. It probably made a difference, but not nearly enough.
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« Reply #6 on: November 30, 2024, 07:53:03 PM »

Before she was a candidate. Biden lost them, not Harris. Harris gained a lot of them back, enough to prevent a wipeout, just not enough to win.

Well, when did Biden lose them?

10/7, that's where Biden jumped the shark.

Palestine was truly a 'Nam 2.0 if there ever was one.
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« Reply #7 on: December 01, 2024, 02:31:07 AM »

Before she was a candidate. Biden lost them, not Harris. Harris gained a lot of them back, enough to prevent a wipeout, just not enough to win.

Well, when did Biden lose them?

Mostly after the midterms and mostly gradually, with two notable jumps, the Israel-Hamas war and the June debate.

I'd say the Dems were weakening in 2022 as well (inflation) and Dobbs was reanimating. Even without Dobbs though, it would not have been a 2010/2014.

You know, it's kind of funny - it almost seems like Americans are willing to tolerate inflation, but get very angry when prices don't go back down when inflation drops and instead stabilize at a new level. Fundamental misunderstanding of what inflation is, I guess. Maybe it was all the financial people calling it "transitory" in 2021? Maybe people got the idea of "okay, prices are going to go up for a little bit, but then they'll fall back down and return to normal. I guess that happens, that's fine," and then turned against Biden when they didn't drop (because that's not how it works, but they don't understand that - or alternatively, maybe they turned against Biden because they realized that.)
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« Reply #8 on: December 01, 2024, 03:04:28 PM »

Before she was a candidate. Biden lost them, not Harris. Harris gained a lot of them back, enough to prevent a wipeout, just not enough to win.

Well, when did Biden lose them?

Mostly after the midterms and mostly gradually, with two notable jumps, the Israel-Hamas war and the June debate.

I'd say the Dems were weakening in 2022 as well (inflation) and Dobbs was reanimating. Even without Dobbs though, it would not have been a 2010/2014.

You know, it's kind of funny - it almost seems like Americans are willing to tolerate inflation, but get very angry when prices don't go back down when inflation drops and instead stabilize at a new level. Fundamental misunderstanding of what inflation is, I guess. Maybe it was all the financial people calling it "transitory" in 2021? Maybe people got the idea of "okay, prices are going to go up for a little bit, but then they'll fall back down and return to normal. I guess that happens, that's fine," and then turned against Biden when they didn't drop (because that's not how it works, but they don't understand that - or alternatively, maybe they turned against Biden because they realized that.)

Or, maybe they thought prices would go down because they believed a significant part of the price spike was price gouging.  And why might they think that? 

"Biden criticizes US companies for keeping raised prices high 'even as inflation has come down'"

And they were told the Administration was dealing with it:
FACT SHEET: President Biden Is Taking Action to Lower Costs for Families and Fight Corporate Rip-Offs
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« Reply #9 on: December 01, 2024, 03:14:47 PM »

Before she was a candidate. Biden lost them, not Harris. Harris gained a lot of them back, enough to prevent a wipeout, just not enough to win.

Well, when did Biden lose them?

Mostly after the midterms and mostly gradually, with two notable jumps, the Israel-Hamas war and the June debate.

I'd say the Dems were weakening in 2022 as well (inflation) and Dobbs was reanimating. Even without Dobbs though, it would not have been a 2010/2014.

You know, it's kind of funny - it almost seems like Americans are willing to tolerate inflation, but get very angry when prices don't go back down when inflation drops and instead stabilize at a new level. Fundamental misunderstanding of what inflation is, I guess. Maybe it was all the financial people calling it "transitory" in 2021? Maybe people got the idea of "okay, prices are going to go up for a little bit, but then they'll fall back down and return to normal. I guess that happens, that's fine," and then turned against Biden when they didn't drop (because that's not how it works, but they don't understand that - or alternatively, maybe they turned against Biden because they realized that.)

Or, maybe they thought prices would go down because they believed a significant part of the price spike was price gouging.  And why might they think that? 

"Biden criticizes US companies for keeping raised prices high 'even as inflation has come down'"

And they were told the Administration was dealing with it:
FACT SHEET: President Biden Is Taking Action to Lower Costs for Families and Fight Corporate Rip-Offs


A significant part of it was price gouging. And still is.
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