Joe Rogan - Theo Von Effect

[インターネット掲示板ユーザー Punxsutawney Phil]

I understand why some dislike Joe Rogan but Theo Von is a good guy, there's nothing objectionable about him.

He endorsed Trump and, in a recent episode with Stavros Halkias (who supported Harris) he said abortion would be unnecessary if we didn't have so many rapists coming over the border.

Yea but, unlike Joe Rogan, he likes Bernie Sanders still. In otherwords, his political views are pretty reflective of a generic youngish man, not those of a right-winger.

Theo Von would be good wooing. More Ds should appear on his podcast.

Imagine actually believing this

Do you believe in marking entire large sections of the electorate as "dirty" and undeserving of being even wooed on grounds of common agreement? Yes or No.

I believe people like Theo Von who go around claiming Jews control the media and are using it to wage a war on white people are pond scum.

Assuming what you're saying is actually true (I don't necessarily buy it) - that changes little about whether or not Ds should appear on his podcast.

[Schumer can go f*** himself!]

I understand why some dislike Joe Rogan but Theo Von is a good guy, there's nothing objectionable about him.

He endorsed Trump and, in a recent episode with Stavros Halkias (who supported Harris) he said abortion would be unnecessary if we didn't have so many rapists coming over the border.

Yea but, unlike Joe Rogan, he likes Bernie Sanders still. In otherwords, his political views are pretty reflective of a generic youngish man, not those of a right-winger.

Theo Von would be good wooing. More Ds should appear on his podcast.

Imagine actually believing this

Do you believe in marking entire large sections of the electorate as "dirty" and undeserving of being even wooed on grounds of common agreement? Yes or No.

I believe people like Theo Von who go around claiming Jews control the media and are using it to wage a war on white people are pond scum.

Assuming what you're saying is actually true (I don't necessarily buy it) - that changes little about whether or not Ds should appear on his podcast.

1) It’s true and you can look it up if you don’t believe me.  Respectfully, your ignorance is not my problem. 

2)Pandering to racist, anti-Semitic, misogynistic scum like Joe Rogan and Theo Von will only cost Democrats the votes of folks like myself.  The people who vote based on who these dirt bags support are going to vote for Trump and his cultists no matter what.

[インターネット掲示板ユーザー Punxsutawney Phil]

I understand why some dislike Joe Rogan but Theo Von is a good guy, there's nothing objectionable about him.

He endorsed Trump and, in a recent episode with Stavros Halkias (who supported Harris) he said abortion would be unnecessary if we didn't have so many rapists coming over the border.

Yea but, unlike Joe Rogan, he likes Bernie Sanders still. In otherwords, his political views are pretty reflective of a generic youngish man, not those of a right-winger.

Theo Von would be good wooing. More Ds should appear on his podcast.

Imagine actually believing this

Do you believe in marking entire large sections of the electorate as "dirty" and undeserving of being even wooed on grounds of common agreement? Yes or No.

I believe people like Theo Von who go around claiming Jews control the media and are using it to wage a war on white people are pond scum.

Assuming what you're saying is actually true (I don't necessarily buy it) - that changes little about whether or not Ds should appear on his podcast.

1) It’s true and you can look it up if you don’t believe me.  Respectfully, your ignorance is not my problem.  

2)Pandering to racist, anti-Semitic, misogynistic scum like Joe Rogan and Theo Von will only cost Democrats the votes of folks like myself.  The people who vote based on who these dirt bags support are going to vote for Trump and his cultists no matter what.

I should note that Bernie Sanders, of all people, made an appearance on Theo Von before the election. Sanders' instincts are solid regarding the media. He was one of the very few candidates in 2020 to not talk as though they were centering their campaigns on online Dems on Twitter.
I doubt we'll ever agree on what Von represents, but I saw the Von interview with Trump and they talked about profoundly normal things and that interview, watched by (iirc) millions, helped him win the election by humanizing him. Von's style is one that the interviewee gets a ton of room to be able to talk. It would be an excellent avenue to talk about Democratic successes in places like Minnesota and Colorado. People do perceive Ds as unable to do anything substantial on house proces and cost of living, an impression not at all helped by the high housing costs of New York and California.

[Calgacus]

Rogan is a sponge, not a far right ideologue. But trying to cancel him wound up creating a feedback loop where lefties stopped showing up, which caused Rogan to fill the gap with right wing guests, which caused lefties to accuse Rogan of being far right. Of all the own goals of Democrats over the past few years the decision to refuse to associate with the world's largest Anglophone podcaster, possibly the single largest Anglophone broadcaster of any kind for that matter, might be one of the biggest.

Similarly, Theo Von isn't an antisemite, he's a weathervane. Going after him to stop antisemitism is like breaking the thermometers to stop the cold.

[Don't Be A Carrot Vote For Garrett]

Rogan is a sponge, not a far right ideologue. But trying to cancel him wound up creating a feedback loop where lefties stopped showing up, which caused Rogan to fill the gap with right wing guests, which caused lefties to accuse Rogan of being far right. Of all the own goals of Democrats over the past few years the decision to refuse to associate with the world's largest Anglophone podcaster, possibly the single largest Anglophone broadcaster of any kind for that matter, might be one of the biggest.

You hit the nail right on the head with Rogan. I'm not too familiar with Theo Von, so I can't say for sure on that front.

[Casino Democrat]

I understand why some dislike Joe Rogan but Theo Von is a good guy, there's nothing objectionable about him.

He endorsed Trump and, in a recent episode with Stavros Halkias (who supported Harris) he said abortion would be unnecessary if we didn't have so many rapists coming over the border.

Yea but, unlike Joe Rogan, he likes Bernie Sanders still. In otherwords, his political views are pretty reflective of a generic youngish man, not those of a right-winger.

Theo Von would be good wooing. More Ds should appear on his podcast.

Imagine actually believing this

Do you believe in marking entire large sections of the electorate as "dirty" and undeserving of being even wooed on grounds of common agreement? Yes or No.

I believe people like Theo Von who go around claiming Jews control the media and are using it to wage a war on white people are pond scum.

Assuming what you're saying is actually true (I don't necessarily buy it) - that changes little about whether or not Ds should appear on his podcast.

1) It’s true and you can look it up if you don’t believe me.  Respectfully, your ignorance is not my problem.  

2)Pandering to racist, anti-Semitic, misogynistic scum like Joe Rogan and Theo Von will only cost Democrats the votes of folks like myself.  The people who vote based on who these dirt bags support are going to vote for Trump and his cultists no matter what.

I can't speak for Theo Von, but I've never ever heard Joe Rogan on the several hundred random times I've seen a clip of his (whether listening to an episode or seeing clips from Democrats and Republicans) say anything that could be interpreted as "anti-Semitic".

I'm less confident on the racism and the mysogyny, for obvious reasons.

I mean, seeing your arguments so far in this thread I don't know why I'm expecting an honest discussion and there's probably no point in pointing this out, but it needed to be said.  All I know so far from this thread is you probably shouldn't be a moderator on an internet forum for political discussion.  Because you're biased and prejudiced as all hell.  And unlike the other mods here you can't even do a half-ass job of hiding it.

Sorry, but not sorry.

[Chief Justice PiT]

     Part of why people made a big deal out of Rogan backing Trump is that he supported Bernie Sanders twice. Contrary to how Atlas talks about it, Rogan isn't some extreme right-winger who only hosts people to advance an obvious political agenda, a la Tucker. There was talk about getting Harris on his podcast, and it is to her detriment that nothing emerged from that. As MBD said, completely ceding Rogan's ground to the right was a massive strategic failure, and rationalizing it post hoc shows Democrats aren't learning anything from this. At least I give Fetterman credit for going on there just before the election.

[Crane]

I understand why some dislike Joe Rogan but Theo Von is a good guy, there's nothing objectionable about him.

He endorsed Trump and, in a recent episode with Stavros Halkias (who supported Harris) he said abortion would be unnecessary if we didn't have so many rapists coming over the border.

Yea but, unlike Joe Rogan, he likes Bernie Sanders still. In otherwords, his political views are pretty reflective of a generic youngish man, not those of a right-winger.

Theo Von would be good wooing. More Ds should appear on his podcast.

Imagine actually believing this

Do you believe in marking entire large sections of the electorate as "dirty" and undeserving of being even wooed on grounds of common agreement? Yes or No.

I believe people like Theo Von who go around claiming Jews control the media and are using it to wage a war on white people are pond scum.

Assuming what you're saying is actually true (I don't necessarily buy it) - that changes little about whether or not Ds should appear on his podcast.

1) It’s true and you can look it up if you don’t believe me.  Respectfully, your ignorance is not my problem.  

2)Pandering to racist, anti-Semitic, misogynistic scum like Joe Rogan and Theo Von will only cost Democrats the votes of folks like myself.  The people who vote based on who these dirt bags support are going to vote for Trump and his cultists no matter what.

I can't speak for Theo Von, but I've never ever heard Joe Rogan on the several hundred random times I've seen a clip of his (whether listening to an episode or seeing clips from Democrats and Republicans) say anything that could be interpreted as "anti-Semitic".

I'm less confident on the racism and the mysogyny, for obvious reasons.

I mean, seeing your arguments so far in this thread I don't know why I'm expecting an honest discussion and there's probably no point in pointing this out, but it needed to be said.  All I know so far from this thread is you probably shouldn't be a moderator on an internet forum for political discussion.  Because you're biased and prejudiced as all hell.  And unlike the other mods here you can't even do a half-ass job of hiding it.

Sorry, but not sorry.

Pretty sure Rogan has a ton of guests dog-whistling about how "globalists" (read Jews) want to destroy western civilization. He's a Putin asset too. Just the other day he whined about Ukraine defending itself against Russia and that it "would lead to WWIII." F**k him.

This is not the hill you wanna die on bud.

[Schumer can go f*** himself!]

I understand why some dislike Joe Rogan but Theo Von is a good guy, there's nothing objectionable about him.

He endorsed Trump and, in a recent episode with Stavros Halkias (who supported Harris) he said abortion would be unnecessary if we didn't have so many rapists coming over the border.

Yea but, unlike Joe Rogan, he likes Bernie Sanders still. In otherwords, his political views are pretty reflective of a generic youngish man, not those of a right-winger.

Theo Von would be good wooing. More Ds should appear on his podcast.

Imagine actually believing this

Do you believe in marking entire large sections of the electorate as "dirty" and undeserving of being even wooed on grounds of common agreement? Yes or No.

I believe people like Theo Von who go around claiming Jews control the media and are using it to wage a war on white people are pond scum.

Assuming what you're saying is actually true (I don't necessarily buy it) - that changes little about whether or not Ds should appear on his podcast.

1) It’s true and you can look it up if you don’t believe me.  Respectfully, your ignorance is not my problem.  

2)Pandering to racist, anti-Semitic, misogynistic scum like Joe Rogan and Theo Von will only cost Democrats the votes of folks like myself.  The people who vote based on who these dirt bags support are going to vote for Trump and his cultists no matter what.

I can't speak for Theo Von, but I've never ever heard Joe Rogan on the several hundred random times I've seen a clip of his (whether listening to an episode or seeing clips from Democrats and Republicans) say anything that could be interpreted as "anti-Semitic".

I'm less confident on the racism and the mysogyny, for obvious reasons.

I mean, seeing your arguments so far in this thread I don't know why I'm expecting an honest discussion and there's probably no point in pointing this out, but it needed to be said.  All I know so far from this thread is you probably shouldn't be a moderator on an internet forum for political discussion.  Because you're biased and prejudiced as all hell.  And unlike the other mods here you can't even do a half-ass job of hiding it.

Sorry, but not sorry.

Pretty sure Rogan has a ton of guests dog-whistling about how "globalists" (read Jews) want to destroy western civilization. He's a Putin asset too. Just the other day he whined about Ukraine defending itself against Russia and that it "would lead to WWIII." F**k him.

This is not the hill you wanna die on bud.

Rogan is also extremely transphobic and at least somewhat homophobic.  Saying Democrats lost because they didn’t pander to Joe Rogan, Logan & Jake Paul, Andrew Tate, Theo Vonn and their most slavishly devoted incel fanboys is like saying Democrats lost in 2016 because Hillary didn’t do enough outreach to people who want to ban women from voting and believe it should be illegal for women to have jobs without their husband’s or father’s permission.  Some people are never going to vote for you no matter what and there are some people you’re better off without.  

I’m not saying Democrats should write off anyone who listens to these people’s podcasts, but the type of person whose vote would be heavily influenced by who Joe Rogan or Logan Paul endorses is already going to be a fanatical Trump cultist no matter what Democrats do.  And these sleazy, low-life online grifters are going to be about as fair and balanced with any Democrat in a competitive race who comes on their programs as Tucker Carlson would be.  

Bernie Sanders is an easy one to be nice to because he does not and never has had any chance of winning a general election.  Fetterman isn’t going to be up for re-election until 2028.  If Kamala Harris had actually gone on Rogan’s program, it’d be akin to going on NewsMax.  We’re talking about a man who claims with a straight face that he endorsed Trump because he values honesty and felt Tim Walz was a liar.  Anyone who claims they give a rat’s a** about whether politicians lie and supported Trump is completely full of sh!t, period.  Joe Rogan is no exception.

Next, folks will be telling us that Trump won because Democrats ignored the concerns key swing voters like Elon Musk, David Sacks, and Peter Thiel

[Meclazine for Israel]

Trump won because Democrats ignored the concerns key swing voters like Elon Musk, David Sacks, and Peter Thiel.