Joe Rogan - Theo Von Effect

[Meclazine for Israel]

Given the election is now complete, what effect, if any, did the Joe Rogan, Jake Paul, Theo Von style online crowd have on the outcome of the 2024 election?

Most interviewed Trump or Vance or both prior to the election in 2024.


Theodor Capitani von Kurnatowski III - Rolling Stone

[ProgressiveModerate]

I don't think someone like Rogan's endorsement in itself was that meaningful, but generally the right having such a dominance in much of online media like podcasts played a big role and I think partially explains a lot of the shift we saw amongst younger voters and especially younger men.

I think these sorts of people being Trump friendly this cycle helped normalize Trump as a "fun guy" to a lot of younger people who generally aren't all that engaged in politics.

[Schumer can go f*** himself!]

Given the election is now complete, what effect, if any, did the Joe Rogan, Jake Paul, Theo Von style online crowd have on the outcome of the 2024 election?

Most interviewed Trump or Vance or both prior to the election in 2024.


Theodor Capitani von Kurnatowski III - Rolling Stone

None other than further energizing the misogynistic basement-dwelling Incel man-children who (along with middle school losers) form their entire audience.  The type of pathetic excuse for a human being who is both of voting age and actually takes these folks endorsements seriously was already going to crawl over broken glass to vote for Trump no matter what.  

The other folks are middle schooler-age losers stealing their parents’ credit cards to buy a moldy lunchables knock off because Mr. Beast told them to

I don't think someone like Rogan's endorsement in itself was that meaningful, but generally the right having such a dominance in much of online media like podcasts played a big role and I think partially explains a lot of the shift we saw amongst younger voters and especially younger men.

I think these sorts of people being Trump friendly this cycle helped normalize Trump as a "fun guy" to a lot of younger people who generally aren't all that engaged in politics.

I just think Zoomers are - all things being equal - a significantly more misogynistic generation than millennials and Trump naturally appeals to that since one of his most fundamental defining features is that he is a deeply misogynistic individual through and through.  Certainly, it is the main reason he appeals to many Hispanic men (although it’s not politically correct to acknowledge this reality). 

[heatcharger]

The type of pathetic excuse for a human being who is both of voting age and actually takes these folks endorsements seriously was already going to crawl over broken glass to vote for Trump no matter what.  

Excellent news for JD Vance.

[Schumer can go f*** himself!]

The type of pathetic excuse for a human being who is both of voting age and actually takes these folks endorsements seriously was already going to crawl over broken glass to vote for Trump no matter what.  

Excellent news for JD Vance.

Nah, these sort of folks have never decided an election and probably never will.

[インターネット掲示板ユーザー Punxsutawney Phil]

The type of pathetic excuse for a human being who is both of voting age and actually takes these folks endorsements seriously was already going to crawl over broken glass to vote for Trump no matter what. 

Excellent news for JD Vance.

Nah, these sort of folks have never decided an election and probably never will.

With that kind of mindset you'll never win any large numbers of those voters.
It's enabling Trump and the GOP to lay such whole sections of the electorate as undeserving of any consideration.

[ProgressiveModerate]

Given the election is now complete, what effect, if any, did the Joe Rogan, Jake Paul, Theo Von style online crowd have on the outcome of the 2024 election?

Most interviewed Trump or Vance or both prior to the election in 2024.


Theodor Capitani von Kurnatowski III - Rolling Stone

None other than further energizing the misogynistic basement-dwelling Incel man-children who (along with middle school losers) form their entire audience.  The type of pathetic excuse for a human being who is both of voting age and actually takes these folks endorsements seriously was already going to crawl over broken glass to vote for Trump no matter what.  

The other folks are middle schooler-age losers stealing their parents’ credit cards to buy a moldy lunchables knock off because Mr. Beast told them to

I don't think someone like Rogan's endorsement in itself was that meaningful, but generally the right having such a dominance in much of online media like podcasts played a big role and I think partially explains a lot of the shift we saw amongst younger voters and especially younger men.

I think these sorts of people being Trump friendly this cycle helped normalize Trump as a "fun guy" to a lot of younger people who generally aren't all that engaged in politics.

I just think Zoomers are - all things being equal - a significantly more misogynistic generation than millennials and Trump naturally appeals to that since one of his most fundamental defining features is that he is a deeply misogynistic individual through and through.  Certainly, it is the main reason he appeals to many Hispanic men (although it’s not politically correct to acknowledge this reality). 

This is the issue though - I don't believe that Zoomers are somehow just inherently more misogynistic and just writing them off as such is how the left will continue to lose them in the future. Instead, we should try to understand why there seems to be this rise of misogyny in younger men. I think it's 2-fold:

1. Social media just exposes them to a lot more misogynistic content from a younger age, effectively normalizing it. Your teenage years are very formative so a naive 13-year-old constantly being fed Andrew Tate content could definitely impact their future worldview, especially if left unaddresssed.

2. There are a lot of ways in which younger men are struggling, yet it feels like only women's issues get attention, especially from the left. Boys are falling behind their female peers academically. Young men are struggling to enter the workforce. Young men are struggling with dating. Young men are significantly more likely to commit suicide. If this were the other way around and women were having these issues, there would almost certainly be a lot more societal discussion about them.

I think a lot of point #2 boils down to there are still societal expectations on men to be the leader, provider, ect, but it's really hard to even remotely live up to those expectations when your subgroup is behind in so many ways.

[Schumer can go f*** himself!]

The type of pathetic excuse for a human being who is both of voting age and actually takes these folks endorsements seriously was already going to crawl over broken glass to vote for Trump no matter what.  

Excellent news for JD Vance.

Nah, these sort of folks have never decided an election and probably never will.

With that kind of mindset you'll never win any large numbers of those voters.
It's enabling Trump and the GOP to lay such whole sections of the electorate as undeserving of any consideration.

Those voters (the ones who place high value on the endorsement of someone like Joe Rogan or the Paul brothers) aren’t people whose votes we need and either way, they’d never vote for us no matter what

[Schumer can go f*** himself!]

Given the election is now complete, what effect, if any, did the Joe Rogan, Jake Paul, Theo Von style online crowd have on the outcome of the 2024 election?

Most interviewed Trump or Vance or both prior to the election in 2024.


Theodor Capitani von Kurnatowski III - Rolling Stone

None other than further energizing the misogynistic basement-dwelling Incel man-children who (along with middle school losers) form their entire audience.  The type of pathetic excuse for a human being who is both of voting age and actually takes these folks endorsements seriously was already going to crawl over broken glass to vote for Trump no matter what.  

The other folks are middle schooler-age losers stealing their parents’ credit cards to buy a moldy lunchables knock off because Mr. Beast told them to

I don't think someone like Rogan's endorsement in itself was that meaningful, but generally the right having such a dominance in much of online media like podcasts played a big role and I think partially explains a lot of the shift we saw amongst younger voters and especially younger men.

I think these sorts of people being Trump friendly this cycle helped normalize Trump as a "fun guy" to a lot of younger people who generally aren't all that engaged in politics.

I just think Zoomers are - all things being equal - a significantly more misogynistic generation than millennials and Trump naturally appeals to that since one of his most fundamental defining features is that he is a deeply misogynistic individual through and through.  Certainly, it is the main reason he appeals to many Hispanic men (although it’s not politically correct to acknowledge this reality).  

This is the issue though - I don't believe that Zoomers are somehow just inherently more misogynistic and just writing them off as such is how the left will continue to lose them in the future. Instead, we should try to understand why there seems to be this rise of misogyny in younger men. I think it's 2-fold:

1. Social media just exposes them to a lot more misogynistic content from a younger age, effectively normalizing it. Your teenage years are very formative so a naive 13-year-old constantly being fed Andrew Tate content could definitely impact their future worldview, especially if left unaddresssed.

2. There are a lot of ways in which younger men are struggling, yet it feels like only women's issues get attention, especially from the left. Boys are falling behind their female peers academically. Young men are struggling to enter the workforce. Young men are struggling with dating. Young men are significantly more likely to commit suicide. If this were the other way around and women were having these issues, there would almost certainly be a lot more societal discussion about them.

I think a lot of point #2 boils down to there are still societal expectations on men to be the leader, provider, ect, but it's really hard to even remotely live up to those expectations when your subgroup is behind in so many ways.

I definitely agree with all of this, fair enough.  That said, whatever the reason, I do think the Zoomer generation is significantly more misogynistic than the millennial generation.

[He's turned to dust now, one of the chosen few]

I just think Zoomers are - all things being equal - a significantly more misogynistic generation than millennials and Trump naturally appeals to that since one of his most fundamental defining features is that he is a deeply misogynistic individual through and through.

As an elder Zoomer, I feel pretty (sadly) confident in confirming this even though I think generation categories are dumb and create themselves more than they describe things that already exist.

[インターネット掲示板ユーザー Punxsutawney Phil]

The type of pathetic excuse for a human being who is both of voting age and actually takes these folks endorsements seriously was already going to crawl over broken glass to vote for Trump no matter what. 

Excellent news for JD Vance.

Nah, these sort of folks have never decided an election and probably never will.

With that kind of mindset you'll never win any large numbers of those voters.
It's enabling Trump and the GOP to lay such whole sections of the electorate as undeserving of any consideration.

Those voters (the ones who place high value on the endorsement of someone like Joe Rogan or the Paul brothers) aren’t people whose votes we need and either way, they’d never vote for us no matter what

This sort of mentality is how you ensure you can never do any structural change. Why, it's one of the best ways to lose elections.

[Schumer can go f*** himself!]

The type of pathetic excuse for a human being who is both of voting age and actually takes these folks endorsements seriously was already going to crawl over broken glass to vote for Trump no matter what.  

Excellent news for JD Vance.

Nah, these sort of folks have never decided an election and probably never will.

With that kind of mindset you'll never win any large numbers of those voters.
It's enabling Trump and the GOP to lay such whole sections of the electorate as undeserving of any consideration.

Those voters (the ones who place high value on the endorsement of someone like Joe Rogan or the Paul brothers) aren’t people whose votes we need and either way, they’d never vote for us no matter what

This sort of mentality is how you ensure you can never do any structural change. Why, it's one of the best ways to lose elections.

You mean like how Democrats lost in 2008 because they wrote off white supremacist voters

[インターネット掲示板ユーザー Punxsutawney Phil]

The type of pathetic excuse for a human being who is both of voting age and actually takes these folks endorsements seriously was already going to crawl over broken glass to vote for Trump no matter what. 

Excellent news for JD Vance.

Nah, these sort of folks have never decided an election and probably never will.

With that kind of mindset you'll never win any large numbers of those voters.
It's enabling Trump and the GOP to lay such whole sections of the electorate as undeserving of any consideration.

Those voters (the ones who place high value on the endorsement of someone like Joe Rogan or the Paul brothers) aren’t people whose votes we need and either way, they’d never vote for us no matter what

This sort of mentality is how you ensure you can never do any structural change. Why, it's one of the best ways to lose elections.

You mean like how Democrats lost in 2008 because they wrote off white supremacist voters

Laundering past landslides for sake of contemporary delusions does no favors for the cause.
Fact is that many of the voters who helped decide this election are fairly plugged into the podcast space. We need to contest for these voters or else we're surrendering those votes uncontested to the right.
I never thought you'd advocate for effectively enabling the right to manipulate the narrative more, but here we are.

[#LANK]

the zynternet and its consequences...

[Schumer can go f*** himself!]

The type of pathetic excuse for a human being who is both of voting age and actually takes these folks endorsements seriously was already going to crawl over broken glass to vote for Trump no matter what.  

Excellent news for JD Vance.

Nah, these sort of folks have never decided an election and probably never will.

With that kind of mindset you'll never win any large numbers of those voters.
It's enabling Trump and the GOP to lay such whole sections of the electorate as undeserving of any consideration.

Those voters (the ones who place high value on the endorsement of someone like Joe Rogan or the Paul brothers) aren’t people whose votes we need and either way, they’d never vote for us no matter what

This sort of mentality is how you ensure you can never do any structural change. Why, it's one of the best ways to lose elections.

You mean like how Democrats lost in 2008 because they wrote off white supremacist voters

Laundering past landslides for sake of contemporary delusions does no favors for the cause.
Fact is that many of the voters who helped decide this election are fairly plugged into the podcast space. We need to contest for these voters or else we're surrendering those votes uncontested to the right.
I never thought you'd advocate for effectively enabling the right to manipulate the narrative more, but here we are.

Who do you think decided the election?

[インターネット掲示板ユーザー Punxsutawney Phil]

The type of pathetic excuse for a human being who is both of voting age and actually takes these folks endorsements seriously was already going to crawl over broken glass to vote for Trump no matter what.  

Excellent news for JD Vance.

Nah, these sort of folks have never decided an election and probably never will.

With that kind of mindset you'll never win any large numbers of those voters.
It's enabling Trump and the GOP to lay such whole sections of the electorate as undeserving of any consideration.

Those voters (the ones who place high value on the endorsement of someone like Joe Rogan or the Paul brothers) aren’t people whose votes we need and either way, they’d never vote for us no matter what

This sort of mentality is how you ensure you can never do any structural change. Why, it's one of the best ways to lose elections.

You mean like how Democrats lost in 2008 because they wrote off white supremacist voters

Laundering past landslides for sake of contemporary delusions does no favors for the cause.
Fact is that many of the voters who helped decide this election are fairly plugged into the podcast space. We need to contest for these voters or else we're surrendering those votes uncontested to the right.
I never thought you'd advocate for effectively enabling the right to manipulate the narrative more, but here we are.

Who do you think decided the election?

The difficult environment, which is just not good for incumbents right now (this is the biggie)
The Harris campaign not conducting its media strategy perfectly
Republicans being able to use our association with activist nonsense in the eyes of some voters to make huge persuasion gains in some places
The fact the most unpopular things about Trump get more forgotten the later it gets from when he gets into office
A bit too much preaching to the choir on "democracy"; turns out voters outright want deflation and/or want prices down (my Trump-voting Grandma even said she wanted deflation, once I explained what inflation actually was)

What I feel? There should be no no-go zones. We shall be willing to contest the GOP narrative anywhere and do so in a way that we can be certain reflects frames of thinking of others, not just our college grad consultants. We should be present, we shouldn't write off groups just for supposed bigotry. We shall contest the GOP's position and have policy thinking that is in line with what ordinary people are likelier to accept, compromising in that sense. People do want government to solve their problems, but they don't trust Democrats to do that. If they did, then they'd have voted for Harris. Without getting in to government, harm reduction is much harder.

I always deeply respected Bernie for being willing to go on Fox.

"We can't all be born rich and handsome and lucky, and that's why we have a Democratic Party"

[MaynardFriedman]

I understand why some dislike Joe Rogan but Theo Von is a good guy, there's nothing objectionable about him.

[Crane]

I understand why some dislike Joe Rogan but Theo Von is a good guy, there's nothing objectionable about him.

He endorsed Trump and, in a recent episode with Stavros Halkias (who supported Harris) he said abortion would be unnecessary if we didn't have so many rapists coming over the border.

[Schumer can go f*** himself!]

I understand why some dislike Joe Rogan but Theo Von is a good guy, there's nothing objectionable about him.

He endorsed Trump and, in a recent episode with Stavros Halkias (who supported Harris) he said abortion would be unnecessary if we didn't have so many rapists coming over the border.

He’s also a huge anti-Semite who has repeatedly claimed Jews control the media and use it to wage war against white people

[Crane]

I understand why some dislike Joe Rogan but Theo Von is a good guy, there's nothing objectionable about him.

He endorsed Trump and, in a recent episode with Stavros Halkias (who supported Harris) he said abortion would be unnecessary if we didn't have so many rapists coming over the border.

He’s also a huge anti-Semite who has repeatedly claimed Jews control the media and use it to wage war against white people

Wow, I didn't know that, incredibly disappointing to hear. Comedians "jokingly" say stuff like that and then it becomes normalized.

[MaynardFriedman]

I understand why some dislike Joe Rogan but Theo Von is a good guy, there's nothing objectionable about him.

He endorsed Trump and, in a recent episode with Stavros Halkias (who supported Harris) he said abortion would be unnecessary if we didn't have so many rapists coming over the border.

Yea but, unlike Joe Rogan, he likes Bernie Sanders still. In otherwords, his political views are pretty reflective of a generic youngish man, not those of a right-winger.

[インターネット掲示板ユーザー Punxsutawney Phil]

I understand why some dislike Joe Rogan but Theo Von is a good guy, there's nothing objectionable about him.

He endorsed Trump and, in a recent episode with Stavros Halkias (who supported Harris) he said abortion would be unnecessary if we didn't have so many rapists coming over the border.

Yea but, unlike Joe Rogan, he likes Bernie Sanders still. In otherwords, his political views are pretty reflective of a generic youngish man, not those of a right-winger.

Theo Von would be good wooing. More Ds should appear on his podcast.

[Schumer can go f*** himself!]

I understand why some dislike Joe Rogan but Theo Von is a good guy, there's nothing objectionable about him.

He endorsed Trump and, in a recent episode with Stavros Halkias (who supported Harris) he said abortion would be unnecessary if we didn't have so many rapists coming over the border.

Yea but, unlike Joe Rogan, he likes Bernie Sanders still. In otherwords, his political views are pretty reflective of a generic youngish man, not those of a right-winger.

Theo Von would be good wooing. More Ds should appear on his podcast.

Imagine actually believing this

[インターネット掲示板ユーザー Punxsutawney Phil]

I understand why some dislike Joe Rogan but Theo Von is a good guy, there's nothing objectionable about him.

He endorsed Trump and, in a recent episode with Stavros Halkias (who supported Harris) he said abortion would be unnecessary if we didn't have so many rapists coming over the border.

Yea but, unlike Joe Rogan, he likes Bernie Sanders still. In otherwords, his political views are pretty reflective of a generic youngish man, not those of a right-winger.

Theo Von would be good wooing. More Ds should appear on his podcast.

Imagine actually believing this

Do you believe in marking entire large sections of the electorate as "dirty" and undeserving of being even wooed on grounds of common agreement? Yes or No.

[Schumer can go f*** himself!]

I understand why some dislike Joe Rogan but Theo Von is a good guy, there's nothing objectionable about him.

He endorsed Trump and, in a recent episode with Stavros Halkias (who supported Harris) he said abortion would be unnecessary if we didn't have so many rapists coming over the border.

Yea but, unlike Joe Rogan, he likes Bernie Sanders still. In otherwords, his political views are pretty reflective of a generic youngish man, not those of a right-winger.

Theo Von would be good wooing. More Ds should appear on his podcast.

Imagine actually believing this

Do you believe in marking entire large sections of the electorate as "dirty" and undeserving of being even wooed on grounds of common agreement? Yes or No.

I believe people like Theo Von who go around claiming Jews control the media and are using it to wage a war on white people are pond scum.