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« on: November 29, 2024, 05:48:53 PM »

Never forget that. Trump lost his last chance to win a majority of the popular vote. He becomes the first two-term president since Bill Clinton to fail on that score. Therefore, a resistance against Trump is still possible, and necessary. It will look different than last time. I hope it does not rely on the mainstream media, the police/FBI/military/intelligence agencies/prosecutors, or "moderate" Republicans. Rather, I hope it draws on genuine sources of popular discontent with his policies and the material impact that they have on the masses.
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« Reply #1 on: November 29, 2024, 06:04:50 PM »
« Edited: November 30, 2024, 04:05:32 PM by E-Dawg »

Trump winning the popular vote was thought of as unlikely before the election by most, let alone him winning it by 1.5%. Harris not flipping a single Trump 2020 county was unthinkable, since it hasn't happened since 1932. Every state swinging toward Trump was unthinkable, since it hasn't happened since 1976. Trump bringing Texas back to near 2012 margins was unthinkable. Trump making New Jersey close was unthinkable. Trump topping 30% in NYC and cutting Biden's New York state margin in half was unthinkable.

If you gave the exact 2024 results as a pre-election hypothetical, you would have been laughed out of the room for being a wish-casting Republican hack. Even I would have laughed at it, and I'm somebody who predicted a narrow Trump victory!  Any Harris supporter pre-election would have conceeded that this result would be a clear Trump mandate if it happened, they just would have (reasonably) believed that it would not happen.

Trump's victory was narrow historically, yes. But it has to be considered in the context of the recent past, in which polarization has been extremely high and a Republican popular vote victory hasn't happened in 20 years. At the end of the day, Trump swung the 2020 NPV 6% in his favor, improved among nearly every location and demographic groups, had a number of insane electoral feats nobody thought was possible, held Harris to the worst Democratic performance since 1988, and was the 2nd Republican in the last 32 years to win the popular vote. In the context of this modern day, this was a decisive mandate for Trump.
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« Reply #2 on: November 29, 2024, 06:29:29 PM »

If you go by that reasoning, most americans voted against Harris either, even more than Trump. The amount of copium still hasn’t receded, almost 4 weeks post-election.
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« Reply #3 on: November 29, 2024, 06:33:06 PM »

Never forget that. Trump lost his last chance to win a majority of the popular vote. He becomes the first two-term president since Bill Clinton to fail on that score. Therefore, a resistance against Trump is still possible, and necessary. It will look different than last time. I hope it does not rely on the mainstream media, the police/FBI/military/intelligence agencies/prosecutors, or "moderate" Republicans. Rather, I hope it draws on genuine sources of popular discontent with his policies and the material impact that they have on the masses.

He won the same map, trade Nevada and Nebraska CD2. The back end of Harris campaign was very similar to Hillary.

I see very little reason to expect much difference atp.
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« Reply #4 on: November 29, 2024, 06:37:22 PM »

He's the worst president of all time and a small minority of Americans made the very foolish decision to re-install him - now that the dog caught his tail it won't take long until he starts defecating on himself. Democrats just need to let the chaos continue unfolding and put together a strong bench.
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« Reply #5 on: November 29, 2024, 07:02:50 PM »

a resistance against Trump is still possible, and necessary. It will look different than last time. I hope it does not rely on the mainstream media, the police/FBI/military/intelligence agencies/prosecutors, or "moderate" Republicans. Rather, I hope it draws on genuine sources of popular discontent with his policies and the material impact that they have on the masses.

Agree with this, at least.
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« Reply #6 on: November 29, 2024, 07:18:07 PM »

a resistance against Trump is still possible, and necessary. It will look different than last time. I hope it does not rely on the mainstream media, the police/FBI/military/intelligence agencies/prosecutors, or "moderate" Republicans. Rather, I hope it draws on genuine sources of popular discontent with his policies and the material impact that they have on the masses.

Agree with this, at least.

Same here. If there's going to be a decent, post-Trump future for America, we need to trade in "defend the establishment from Trump" for "defend average Americans from Trump and his crew of billionaires". And the Democratic establishment won't like that one but. But if you can get the third of eligible voters who don't vote willing to stand up, what the Democratic establishment doesn't like won't matter.
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« Reply #7 on: November 29, 2024, 07:50:08 PM »

The Republican Presidential candidate has won a majority of the popular vote exactly once in the seven elections since Terminator 2: Judgment Day came out - and only seven times (Ike x2, Nixon x1, Reagan x2, Poppy x1, Dubya x1) in the 24 elections since the United States finished fourth at the inaugural FIFA World Cup.
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