Would Harris have won if the Disney Star Wars movies had never been made?

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[MABA 2020]

no lol

[Samof94]

That is like saying "Would Hillary have won had a Buffy reboot came out in 2016"?: it is pointless to ponder as it is a completely independent variable.

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That is like saying "Would Hillary have won had a Buffy reboot came out in 2016"?: it is pointless to ponder as it is a completely independent variable.

The problem is that it stupidly got polarized as a culture war issue and the left became pro-Disney Star Wars and the right anti. This meant that people who hated the movies because they sucked got turned off by being called sexists and white supremacists.

[RBH]

"In this essay, I will argue that the decision of Jojo Levesque to reject the Hannah Montana role led to the election of Donald Trump due to a backlash against the Bangerz-era Miley Cyrus"

[Steve from Lambeth]

As Disney took over the franchise right after the 2012 elections and released their first new movie in 2015, I feel confident in saying that we would right now be talking about someone like Julian Castro's campaign.

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As Disney took over the franchise right after the 2012 elections and released their first new movie in 2015, I feel confident in saying that we would right now be talking about someone like Julian Castro's campaign.

True the sequel trilogy ended before Biden was elected. The problem was that shortly after Biden took office is when some idiots on the left decided to polarize it into a culture war issue. They also did it with later Marvel movies and lumped them together, and thus we ended up with a situation where people who just didn't like the movies were told they should just be right-wing.

[KakyoinMemeHouse]

What?

[Skill and Chance]

No.

This wasn't that close that any random event changes it.

[He's turned to dust now, one of the chosen few]

As Disney took over the franchise right after the 2012 elections and released their first new movie in 2015, I feel confident in saying that we would right now be talking about someone like Julian Castro's campaign.

True the sequel trilogy ended before Biden was elected. The problem was that shortly after Biden took office is when some idiots on the left decided to polarize it into a culture war issue. They also did it with later Marvel movies and lumped them together, and thus we ended up with a situation where people who just didn't like the movies were told they should just be right-wing.

I hate to dignify this thread at all, but I'm pretty sure superficial culture war sniping over the sequel trilogy was already well underway by the time of the 2016 election. And while it was perhaps a symptom of underlying processes that fueled a swing to the right then (and now), I'm fairly certain it wasn't a cause except maybe for a small handful of 18-29 men who would have entered the "anti-woke" world based on some dumb online grievances regardless. I don't think that the average Trump/Rosen voter in Henderson was thinking about Z-list YouTubers with bad beards screaming about FCKUING PRONOUNS while waiting in line to vote.

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As Disney took over the franchise right after the 2012 elections and released their first new movie in 2015, I feel confident in saying that we would right now be talking about someone like Julian Castro's campaign.

True the sequel trilogy ended before Biden was elected. The problem was that shortly after Biden took office is when some idiots on the left decided to polarize it into a culture war issue. They also did it with later Marvel movies and lumped them together, and thus we ended up with a situation where people who just didn't like the movies were told they should just be right-wing.

I hate to dignify this thread at all, but I'm pretty sure superficial culture war sniping over the sequel trilogy was already well underway by the time of the 2016 election. And while it was perhaps a symptom of underlying processes that fueled a swing to the right then (and now), I'm fairly certain it wasn't a cause except maybe for a small handful of 18-29 men who would have entered the "anti-woke" world based on some dumb online grievances regardless. I don't think that the average Trump/Rosen voter in Henderson was thinking about Z-list YouTubers with bad beards screaming about FCKUING PRONOUNS while waiting in line to vote.

In 2016 some idiots were making basement filmed YouTube videos raving about hating The Force Awakens and the female Ghostbusters reboot, but it didn't have any real traction outside of them and most people just didn't care. I think the average person's reaction to the Ghostbusters reboot was that it looked terrible for reasons completely unrelated to starring women and thus there wasn't much knee-jerk defense.

But after two more Star Wars sequel movies some on the left decided very idiotically to double down on defending the movies outright as well as the MCU (which wasn't as much of an issue in 2016 because Marvel hadn't really completely jumped the shark yet.) Which would normally be a "who cares" thing except telling people they're misogynistic white supremacists for just not liking a movie is pretty offputting.

The only person on this forum really plugged into this was Landslide Lyndon which is fairly ironic considering he's both not an American and almost 50 years old making him a big outlier in age for the sort of person who actually cared about this stuff, and he just got dunked on here over it, but it's obvious from his full posting history that he was mostly just parroting junk from the #Resistance Twitter infosphere this being part of it. Look at Barack Obama's youth performance compared to Harris...would this have happened if back then a good chunk of the online liberal infosphere was obsessed with white knighting for the Twilight series or whatever?

[Samof94]

As Disney took over the franchise right after the 2012 elections and released their first new movie in 2015, I feel confident in saying that we would right now be talking about someone like Julian Castro's campaign.

True the sequel trilogy ended before Biden was elected. The problem was that shortly after Biden took office is when some idiots on the left decided to polarize it into a culture war issue. They also did it with later Marvel movies and lumped them together, and thus we ended up with a situation where people who just didn't like the movies were told they should just be right-wing.

I hate to dignify this thread at all, but I'm pretty sure superficial culture war sniping over the sequel trilogy was already well underway by the time of the 2016 election. And while it was perhaps a symptom of underlying processes that fueled a swing to the right then (and now), I'm fairly certain it wasn't a cause except maybe for a small handful of 18-29 men who would have entered the "anti-woke" world based on some dumb online grievances regardless. I don't think that the average Trump/Rosen voter in Henderson was thinking about Z-list YouTubers with bad beards screaming about FCKUING PRONOUNS while waiting in line to vote.

In 2016 some idiots were making basement filmed YouTube videos raving about hating The Force Awakens and the female Ghostbusters reboot, but it didn't have any real traction outside of them and most people just didn't care. I think the average person's reaction to the Ghostbusters reboot was that it looked terrible for reasons completely unrelated to starring women and thus there wasn't much knee-jerk defense.

But after two more Star Wars sequel movies some on the left decided very idiotically to double down on defending the movies outright as well as the MCU (which wasn't as much of an issue in 2016 because Marvel hadn't really completely jumped the shark yet.) Which would normally be a "who cares" thing except telling people they're misogynistic white supremacists for just not liking a movie is pretty offputting.

The only person on this forum really plugged into this was Landslide Lyndon which is fairly ironic considering he's both not an American and almost 50 years old making him a big outlier in age for the sort of person who actually cared about this stuff, and he just got dunked on here over it, but it's obvious from his full posting history that he was mostly just parroting junk from the #Resistance Twitter infosphere this being part of it. Look at Barack Obama's youth performance compared to Harris...would this have happened if back then a good chunk of the online liberal infosphere was obsessed with white knighting for the Twilight series or whatever?

Kate McKinnon was a badass in that Ghostbusters movie.

[Dan the Roman]

There is little to no causation here but there is correlation between the reasons why Disney approach the sequel trilogy in the way they did and what happened over the next decade.

Corporate America from videogame companies to publishers to film studios made a bet around 2011 that the male audience was passive. It was neither interested in expanding its horizons or paradoxically, leaving interests if they were shifted to appeal to others. This built on the trend of millenial males underperforming educationally and the tendency of Gen X elites in the Obama period to extrapolate the future based on straight lines to go "the future is female".

The result was that companies with product lines that appealed to a male audience retooled them to focus on a female/casual audience, and new products were aimed at that exclusively.  There were two problems

1. While the assumption about male passivity was not entirely wrong it was by degree. The combination of being treated as a captive audience across every single field rather than one left them inclined to believe they were being treated with contempt which they were.

2. On its own merits the products were terrible at appealing to a wider modern audience. Figures like Kathleen Kennedy were ironically a product of an older world(she started as Spielberg and Lucas' assistent) and in many cases they had as much of a patronizing view of younger women as they did of young men. The sequel trilogy backfired not because it was patronizing to men but because it patronized everyone. A similar fate as is befallen the recent Dragon Age game.

The problem for Harris is that the same assumptions that went into the sequel trilogy went into both Hillary's campaign and her own. The "weird" attacks in August, the heavy celebrity focus, the association with popular culture, all aligned the Democrats with popular culture industry that treated younger voters with contempt.