Why did Tom Barrett outperform Trump in MI-07?
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« on: November 23, 2024, 01:44:10 AM »

He won by around 4 points whereas Trump only carried the district by 1, and Mike Rogers narrowly lost it.
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« Reply #1 on: November 23, 2024, 02:40:17 PM »

inoffensive guy against a weak opponent
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« Reply #2 on: November 23, 2024, 05:16:39 PM »

GOP portrayed Hertel as corrupt and out of touch
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« Reply #3 on: November 23, 2024, 06:11:13 PM »

GOP portrayed Hertel as corrupt and out of touch

Those things should apply to Trump too.
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« Reply #4 on: November 23, 2024, 06:15:46 PM »


Well then, all that goes to show is that the GOP is beating Dems at framing the narrative, doesn't it?
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« Reply #5 on: November 23, 2024, 06:17:27 PM »


Well then, all that goes to show is that the GOP is beating Dems at framing the narrative, doesn't it?

This was always obvious since 2014, maybe sooner, and the real biggest weakness of the Biden administration to not do more to counter those narratives and perceptions.
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« Reply #6 on: November 24, 2024, 08:48:57 AM »

Hertel had the bad luck to be running in Michigan in 2024 in a Republican-leaning swing district in a year where one of his idiosyncrasies was on an issue that many rank-and-file Democratic activist were pretty pissed about in general.  Also, Hertel was very aggressively pro-Israel even compared to Slotkin iirc and this is a district where it’s basically Ingham County vs. the world.  Hertel was fine as a candidate It’s fine to be pro-Israel here as long as you leave room for some nuance (as Slotkin proved), but being so in your face about it the way Hertel was could probably hurt at the margins…and AIPAC still donated over $40,000 to Barrett’s campaign because of course they did Tongue

At the same time, it looks like Hertel under-performed Slotkin’s 2022 showing in the district’s  counties and - being from a very prominent Michigan Democratic political family - was probably a bit too associated with the Lansing Democratic establishment not to have local Republicans extra motivated to beat him and as a result he actually underperformed Harris is some of the rural counties (most notably Clinton County).  He was also never going to get the sort of crossover appeal at the margins in places like Livingston county that Slotkin always had and which arguably made the difference for her in 2020 (sometimes it really is just a question of how effective you are at damage mitigation in the areas where you’ll lose badly no matter what and Slotkin has always been great at squeezing every gettable Democratic vote out of hostile territory in this district and its predecessor). 

I think Hertel could’ve possibly overcome one of these things this year or at least kept things much closer, but both together was just too much.  In a neutral year, I think he’d have still won since Barrett is such a weak candidate (assuming Democrats recruit a solid candidate and we have elections in 2026, I think Barrett is probably toast in a way even an average Republican probably wouldn’t be as an incumbent).  Barrett is one of those people who has some fringe views which he tends to express them in a way that makes him come off as an obnoxious weirdo and has a very hard time shutting up about his most unpopular positions*

*And not just on abortion (where he supports fetal and embryo personhood with no exceptions), it’s like the man has a compulsion to steer conversations toward the most unpopular aspects of his position any given issue.  For example, he couldn’t just talk about opposing COVID shutdowns and firing people who don’t mask up, he had to go on a rant about how people who were hospitalized COVID were all “cowards and losers” while claiming you wouldn’t even notice if you had it…only to contract COVID himself Tongue
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« Reply #7 on: November 24, 2024, 09:45:32 AM »

Barrett made a multi-cycle play for the seat and laid a decent foundation in 2022. Hertel was a good candidate on paper but his bio/resume more or less failed to add up to the sum of their parts, and he didn't have a good enough political climate to overcome that.
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« Reply #8 on: November 24, 2024, 09:54:53 AM »

Thought Trump would've won the seat by slightly more than that tbh. Slotkin did like 4 points better than Harris in Livingston and Clinton, for example.
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