Trump recreated Nixon/Reagan anti-black coalition but multi racial

[Ossover]

With the Southern Stategy, Nixon was the first republican to assemble an anti black coalition as a result of backlash against desegregation. Back then the US was 90% white and suburban families were panicking to the sight of their daughters swimming in the same pools as black men. The dog whistles of the time were very much anti black as Lee Atwater n-word quote says and things like Reagan's states rights speech and the Willie Horton ad tell. Basically Republicans won 5 in 6 elections casting democrats as the "black party" with their only loss coming from a white southern.

From the election of Bill Clinton up to Biden, the idea of the dems and the gop being the black and anti black party disappeared. Even with dems literally electing a black president, the racist attacks were mostly directed at Obama personally not to democrats.

The Jim Clyburn endorsement of Biden changed it. Basically black voters pick the winner in dem primaries since they vote as a bloc, but that was too on the nose for other demos, including, you guessed, latinos (who were among Sanders best demos). That and other stuff such affirmative action was the confirmation that democrats went back to being the black party because these are their most loyal voters.

Non-black minorities disagree on a lot of stuff, but their hatred of black people is universal and exists in many of the countries they came from (espscially among latinos and asians), as they view black people as the "failed minority" that gets a lot of help but stays as the poorest group. They felt at home with Obama because despite his blackness they felt like he didn't put his own race on top at expense of others. Now it was no longer the case. Republicans noticed and their rhetoric got back to being anti black, talking more about race science stuff like iq to other minorities, black crime stereotypes, bringing terms such as crt, dei and woke into the conversation. Woke is literally a word originated in African American circles which suddenly turned into "everything bad the democrats stand for", becoming the present day version of "welfare queens"

The result was this multi racial coalition Trump has assembled. In 2016, people found out an enormous correlation between racial resentment and support for Trump. In 2024, they'll find out that the main thing uniting the groups voting for Trump is one thing: they hate black people.

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With the Southern Stategy, Nixon was the first republican to assemble an anti black coalition as a result of backlash against desegregation. Back then the US was 90% white and suburban families were panicking to the sight of their daughters swimming in the same pools as black men. The dog whistles of the time were very much anti black as Lee Atwater n-word quote says and things like Reagan's states rights speech and the Willie Horton ad tell. Basically Republicans won 5 in 6 elections casting democrats as the "black party" with their only loss coming from a white southern.

From the election of Bill Clinton up to Biden, the idea of the dems and the gop being the black and anti black party disappeared. Even with dems literally electing a black president, the racist attacks were mostly directed at Obama personally not to democrats.

The Jim Clyburn endorsement of Biden changed it. Basically black voters pick the winner in dem primaries since they vote as a bloc, but that was too on the nose for other demos, including, you guessed, latinos (who were among Sanders best demos). That and other stuff such affirmative action was the confirmation that democrats went back to being the black party because these are their most loyal voters.

Non-black minorities disagree on a lot of stuff, but their hatred of black people is universal and exists in many of the countries they came from (espscially among latinos and asians), as they view black people as the "failed minority" that gets a lot of help but stays as the poorest group. They felt at home with Obama because despite his blackness they felt like he didn't put his own race on top at expense of others. Now it was no longer the case. Republicans noticed and their rhetoric got back to being anti black, talking more about race science stuff like iq to other minorities, black crime stereotypes, bringing terms such as crt, dei and woke into the conversation. Woke is literally a word originated in African American circles which suddenly turned into "everything bad the democrats stand for", becoming the present day version of "welfare queens"

The result was this multi racial coalition Trump has assembled. In 2016, people found out an enormous correlation between racial resentment and support for Trump. In 2024, they'll find out that the main thing uniting the groups voting for Trump is one thing: they hate black people.

Except that Trump had 10% crossover appeal with black men. That alone was probably a third of the margin, probably half the margin in Michigan and Pennsylvania, and probably the reason why he carried Georgia at all.

I dismiss it as a stupid and crude attempt to be funny but what if there are some minorities that simply want to be white and as that sentiment becomes more common, we will see more things like plastic surgery to lighten complexions, straighten noses, and round eyes.

[Voice of low info America]

The average voter has no idea who Jim Clyburn is or remembers what he did in the 2020 primaries.

[caf_elections]

With the Southern Stategy, Nixon was the first republican to assemble an anti black coalition as a result of backlash against desegregation. Back then the US was 90% white and suburban families were panicking to the sight of their daughters swimming in the same pools as black men. The dog whistles of the time were very much anti black as Lee Atwater n-word quote says and things like Reagan's states rights speech and the Willie Horton ad tell. Basically Republicans won 5 in 6 elections casting democrats as the "black party" with their only loss coming from a white southern.

From the election of Bill Clinton up to Biden, the idea of the dems and the gop being the black and anti black party disappeared. Even with dems literally electing a black president, the racist attacks were mostly directed at Obama personally not to democrats.

The Jim Clyburn endorsement of Biden changed it. Basically black voters pick the winner in dem primaries since they vote as a bloc, but that was too on the nose for other demos, including, you guessed, latinos (who were among Sanders best demos). That and other stuff such affirmative action was the confirmation that democrats went back to being the black party because these are their most loyal voters.

Non-black minorities disagree on a lot of stuff, but their hatred of black people is universal and exists in many of the countries they came from (espscially among latinos and asians), as they view black people as the "failed minority" that gets a lot of help but stays as the poorest group. They felt at home with Obama because despite his blackness they felt like he didn't put his own race on top at expense of others. Now it was no longer the case. Republicans noticed and their rhetoric got back to being anti black, talking more about race science stuff like iq to other minorities, black crime stereotypes, bringing terms such as crt, dei and woke into the conversation. Woke is literally a word originated in African American circles which suddenly turned into "everything bad the democrats stand for", becoming the present day version of "welfare queens"

The result was this multi racial coalition Trump has assembled. In 2016, people found out an enormous correlation between racial resentment and support for Trump. In 2024, they'll find out that the main thing uniting the groups voting for Trump is one thing: they hate black people.

You have to go back.

[Reactionary Libertarian]

This isn’t totally true- Trump campaigned on nativism far more than anti-black themes. But it’s true that the widest GOP coalition is a conservative whites with Asians and Hispanics defecting from the Dems. I’ve said before that going after the black vote is a waste for the GOP, and going after Hispanics and Asians who don’t like black crime is a much more fruitful route. With Dems changing their presidential primary so black voters choose the nominee alone, this could very well happen.

D coalitions only exists because Rs are incompetent. No reason for middle class Hispanics and Asians to be in a coalition with blacks, when they will always be second fiddle (Asians especially). We shall see if Rs can capitalize.

[Badger]

The average voter has no idea who Jim Clyburn is or remembers what he did in the 2020 primaries.

[Existing in the context]

Im glad a lot of you are not in charge of the party because a modern day Lily White movement would turn out even worse than the Republicans one did in the early 20th century and will almost certainly lead to the Dems demise.

[Wazza]

The Atwater quote is taken out of context. Dem media groups spin it as if Atwater was saying the Republican party came up with their platform as some subtle replacement for segregation. Of course this is nonsense regardless because the origins of Fusionism/The New Right date to 1955 (itself inspired by Austrian economists/Libertarians like Hayek opposing the Keynesian consensus), which gained popularity in the GOP due to existing anti-New Deal sentiment and lead to the nomination of Goldwater in 1964.

Atwater however was not even saying this. His point (if you read the whole interview/transcript) was that Southerners had in previous decades been already receptive to issues of strong national defense, cutting taxes and spending, etc. Therefore, Reagan and other Republicans who had adopted Fusionist beliefs in the 50s and early 60s could just campaign on these policies without having to campaign on racial wedge issues like busing (which was a terrible policy anyway.) The quote above was speculation over how some Southerners might project their prejudices onto these Republican policies but that it was irrelevant because again, Reagan was doing away with the issue by campaigning on his Fusionist ideals.

There's always going to be people who will agree with your views for the wrong reasons on any issue, and if they help you win then so be it. People who think this is shocking are either drama queens faking outrage or being politically naive.

[GAinDC]

Harris never once made her race an issue in the campaign. Republicans did.

If there are immigrants out there who think joining a coalition full of white nationalists is their ticket to prosperity and acceptance, then they are welcome to join them.

The Dems will be over here building a multi racial coalition focused on opportunity and inclusion  — not tokenism and division.  

[lfromnj]

Harris never once made her race an issue in the campaign. Republicans did.

If there are immigrants out there who think joining a coalition full of white nationalists is their ticket to prosperity and acceptance, then they are welcome to join them.

The Dems will be over here building a multi racial coalition focused on opportunity and inclusion  — not tokenism and division.  

Harris said we should study reparations . She also was willing to work with a campaign calling  the majority of Californians a Nazi in 2020 .

[OSR stands with Israel]

Harris never once made her race an issue in the campaign. Republicans did.

If there are immigrants out there who think joining a coalition full of white nationalists is their ticket to prosperity and acceptance, then they are welcome to join them.

The Dems will be over here building a multi racial coalition focused on opportunity and inclusion  — not tokenism and division.  

Except people dont view the world though that lense. Most people dont view the world through the lense of class or racial solidarity .

Most people care about their family, their friends and themselves first before any of that bs . There is a reason why many immigrants become more right wing on immigration when they become citizens and that is now they dont want to see more competition for jobs/housing for themselves or their kids. 

I know progressives view this as "pulling the ladder down" but thats such a out of touch way of looking at things

[GAinDC]

Harris never once made her race an issue in the campaign. Republicans did.

If there are immigrants out there who think joining a coalition full of white nationalists is their ticket to prosperity and acceptance, then they are welcome to join them.

The Dems will be over here building a multi racial coalition focused on opportunity and inclusion  — not tokenism and division.  

Except people dont view the world though that lense. Most people dont view the world through the lense of class or racial solidarity .

Most people care about their family, their friends and themselves first before any of that bs . There is a reason why many immigrants become more right wing on immigration when they become citizens and that is now they dont want to see more competition for jobs/housing for themselves or their kids.  

I know progressives view this as "pulling the ladder down" but thats such a out of touch way of looking at things

That's exactly what it is, even if you don't want to call it that. America has "pulled the ladder up" many times via laws like the Chinese Exclusion Act in the 1880s, and the Emergency Quota Act of the 1920s.

It's shameful part of America's history that keeps repeating itself. Trump just used a tired, old playbook. So congrats

[Voice of low info America]

I don't see what is shameful about voting for your own best interests.

It is obvious to everyone except partisan Democrats that the Democrats are the party of division. They call anyone they don't like a bad person and try to shame people into voting for them. Republicans say "we are who we are", and anyone who agrees is welcome to join. It's no wonder Republicans tend to have more Democratic friends than vice versa.

[GAinDC]

I don't see what is shameful about voting for your own best interests.

It is obvious to everyone except partisan Democrats that the Democrats are the party of division. They call anyone they don't like a bad person and try to shame people into voting for them. Republicans say "we are who we are", and anyone who agrees is welcome to join. It's no wonder Republicans tend to have more Democratic friends than vice versa.

You're not being honest about this

Trump literally said "I don't want Haley' voters." Harris said, "anyone who wants to turn the page is welcome in my campaign."

[OSR stands with Israel]

Harris never once made her race an issue in the campaign. Republicans did.

If there are immigrants out there who think joining a coalition full of white nationalists is their ticket to prosperity and acceptance, then they are welcome to join them.

The Dems will be over here building a multi racial coalition focused on opportunity and inclusion  — not tokenism and division.  

Except people dont view the world though that lense. Most people dont view the world through the lense of class or racial solidarity .

Most people care about their family, their friends and themselves first before any of that bs . There is a reason why many immigrants become more right wing on immigration when they become citizens and that is now they dont want to see more competition for jobs/housing for themselves or their kids.  

I know progressives view this as "pulling the ladder down" but thats such a out of touch way of looking at things

That's exactly what it is, even if you don't want to call it that. America has "pulled the ladder up" many times via laws like the Chinese Exclusion Act in the 1880s, and the Emergency Quota Act of the 1920s.

It's shameful part of America's history that keeps repeating itself. Trump just used a tired, old playbook. So congrats

No , people looking out for their interest's as well as the interests of their family/friends first is not "pulling the ladder up" as thats how human beings are in general. Liberals going all in on solidarity was dumb because thats fundamentally not how people view the world.

Also yes Trump has used racist rhetoric from time against Asian Americans from time to time but at the end what is worse, his rhetoric or:

- policies that basically decriminalized shop lifting and made many crimes no longer felonies

- pushing equity in schools that results in stuff like abolishing teaching algebra and openly discriminating against Asians in college admissions

- not willing to call out hate crimes the same way if its done by demographics who also vote for you

- making it clear to new arrivers they dont need to follow the same rules you once did

and the list goes on and on


   

[jojoju1998]

Harris never once made her race an issue in the campaign. Republicans did.

If there are immigrants out there who think joining a coalition full of white nationalists is their ticket to prosperity and acceptance, then they are welcome to join them.

The Dems will be over here building a multi racial coalition focused on opportunity and inclusion  — not tokenism and division.  

Except people dont view the world though that lense. Most people dont view the world through the lense of class or racial solidarity .

Most people care about their family, their friends and themselves first before any of that bs . There is a reason why many immigrants become more right wing on immigration when they become citizens and that is now they dont want to see more competition for jobs/housing for themselves or their kids.  

I know progressives view this as "pulling the ladder down" but thats such a out of touch way of looking at things

That's exactly what it is, even if you don't want to call it that. America has "pulled the ladder up" many times via laws like the Chinese Exclusion Act in the 1880s, and the Emergency Quota Act of the 1920s.

It's shameful part of America's history that keeps repeating itself. Trump just used a tired, old playbook. So congrats

No , people looking out for their interest's as well as the interests of their family/friends first is not "pulling the ladder up" as thats how human beings are in general. Liberals going all in on solidarity was dumb because thats fundamentally not how people view the world.

Also yes Trump has used racist rhetoric from time against Asian Americans from time to time but at the end what is worse, his rhetoric or:

- policies that basically decriminalized shop lifting and made many crimes no longer felonies

- pushing equity in schools that results in stuff like abolishing teaching algebra and openly discriminating against Asians in college admissions

- not willing to call out hate crimes the same way if its done by demographics who also vote for you

- making it clear to new arrivers they dont need to follow the same rules you once did

and the list goes on and on


   

Regional Public Universities, which a vast vast number of college students attend, have far more diversity, Asian, black, Hispanic.


And no distirct I know of, is abolishing algebra.