Looks like the EC bias really did (mostly) vanish this year
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  Looks like the EC bias really did (mostly) vanish this year
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« on: November 20, 2024, 04:59:50 PM »

By most current tallies, Trump is winning the popular vote by 1.7% and he won the tipping point state of Pennsylvania by 1.7%. If the PV margin continues to shrink, there will still have been a narrow Republican advantage. But it's down substantially from where it was in 2020 and 2016, and, with a hypothetical uniform swing of around 2.5%, it would have been possible for Harris to win with a full 288 EV (including Georgia) while winning the PV by less than 1%.
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« Reply #1 on: November 20, 2024, 05:22:23 PM »

The conclusion is that the popular vote / EC bias varies wildly per election. Romney lost by about 450k votes while losing nationally by 5 million votes. Hillary and Trump 2020 lost by about 20-50k votes while losing nationally by 2-4.5%. Then Trump won by about 150-200k or so while winning nationally by 1%

The conclusion is that neither side should enter an election while counting on an EC/PV bias
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« Reply #2 on: November 21, 2024, 08:59:10 AM »

It is still there. Swing states are less elastic in turnout than blue states.
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« Reply #3 on: November 21, 2024, 09:11:31 AM »

It is still there. Swing states are less elastic in turnout than blue states.

It's also possible the EC gap in 2020 was artificially inflated by many blue states going out of their way to send people mail ballots, etc. during COVID that didn't have those systems before 2020.

I do agree it would take more than a uniform swing to a tied-ish PV for Harris to pick up GA and NC.  IDK about PA and MI though...
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« Reply #4 on: November 21, 2024, 09:16:42 AM »

I'm just glad we can be done with "a dem needs to win the PV by 4% to win"

if anything this year showed that it's possible to win the EC as a Dem if Harris even would've won lost by 1.0% NPV instead of 1.6%
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« Reply #5 on: November 21, 2024, 11:21:26 AM »

It's also possible the EC gap in 2020 was artificially inflated by many blue states going out of their way to send people mail ballots, etc. during COVID that didn't have those systems before 2020.

It was also artificially inflated in 2020 by the lack of a Democratic ground game in swing states. On the other hand, it was also artificially deflated in 2024 by the lack of a real Republican ground game in swing states. The differences in ground game explain a lot of it, since ground game is focused basically entirely on swing states.

As to your point about mail ballots, it is partly true, but it's also the case that there were very large turnout increases in 2020 in states like Texas where Republicans did NOT make changes to make it easier to vote. Going by current Atlas numbers (maybe not final quite yett), turnout in TX was 11,340,202 in 2024, and 11,326,874 in 2020 (basically the same). Accounting for population increase, that's a turnout decrease compared to 2020 despite there being no significant voting law differences in 2020 and 2024.

2020 was just a particularly high turnout year in general, regardless of whether states made it easier to vote or not.
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