Did latino internalized racism help Trump with latinos?

[CheapDollarEra?]

I won't 'explain more' to avoid potential reports.
Discuss.

[EpicHistory]

No, they're just assimilating like past immigrant waves and their voting patterns are starting to reflect that.

[ingemann]

I think this is a great explanation, if one is racist and see Hispanics as one large uniform mass of interchangeable brown bodies.

[LBJer]

I think that a lot of Latinos supporting Trump are very naive.  

They're thinking: "We'll stay on his good side.  We're the GOOD Latinos--we came here legally, we're citizens and patriotic Americans.  He'll only go after the BAD ones."  This ignores the fact that during Operation Wetback in 1954--which Trump admires--among the many Mexicans deported were American citizens.  It also ignores things like the experience of Jews in Nazi Germany who had fought during WWI and in some cases been awarded medals.  Initially they received protections other Jews didn't, but that didn't last (although in some instances particular individuals continued to receive more favorable treatment (which in one instance I read about, meant being saved from the Holocaust).

My point is that it's not a good idea to assume that you'll be exempted from actions directed toward other members of your group.  In many if not most cases, it doesn't work out that way.  

[Crane]

Yep. It's just like Italians - subjected to racism for decades, then became the most racist group of all to deflect the energy away towards other groups.

[ProgressiveModerate]

I think that a lot of Latinos supporting Trump are very naive. 

They're thinking: "We'll stay on his good side.  We're the GOOD Latinos--we came here legally, we're citizens and patriotic Americans.  He'll only go after the BAD ones."  This ignores the fact that during Operation Wetback in the 1950s--which Trump admires--among the many Mexicans deported were American citizens.  It also ignores things like the experience of Jews in Nazi Germany who had fought during WWI and in some cases been awarded medals.  Initially they received protections other Jews didn't, but that didn't last (although in some instances particular individuals continued to receive more favorable treatment (which in one instance I read about, meant being saved from the Holocaust).

My point is that isn't not a good idea to assume that you'll be exempted from actions directed toward other members of your group.  In many if not most cases, it doesn't work out that way. 

My view is always if you think people are voting against their own interests, let them find out the hard way. I'm certainly no supporter of mass-deportation, but I don't think I'll feel quite the same level of sympathy if Trump goes through with this plan and we start seeing large numbers of people from Hispanic communities that voted for Trump get deported and get stories about "I voted for Trump and now he deported me or someone I know".

Likewise with inflation - I wonder how many of the "burger too expensive" voters are going to respond if Trump's tariffs go into effect and prices shoot up.

[ingemann]

15% of Hispanic people in the USA have a non-Hispanic parent and 25% do not speak Spanish, in 2020 68% of all Hispanic Americans were born in USA. All these percentages will just increase in the future, and they very obviously answer why most Hispanic Americans aren’t terrified of Trump and why stupid stuff like internalize racism is not the answer to why they voted for him.

[New World Man]

No. i think social conservatism played a role though. just like I think it wasn't just Gaza that explained the Muslim shifts.

[Randy Marsh]

Lmfao… you guys never learn

[Progressive Pessimist]

Whatever the worst, dumbest, and saddest explanation is most likely is the truth.

[Sbane]

I think that a lot of Latinos supporting Trump are very naive. 

They're thinking: "We'll stay on his good side.  We're the GOOD Latinos--we came here legally, we're citizens and patriotic Americans.  He'll only go after the BAD ones."  This ignores the fact that during Operation Wetback in the 1950s--which Trump admires--among the many Mexicans deported were American citizens.  It also ignores things like the experience of Jews in Nazi Germany who had fought during WWI and in some cases been awarded medals.  Initially they received protections other Jews didn't, but that didn't last (although in some instances particular individuals continued to receive more favorable treatment (which in one instance I read about, meant being saved from the Holocaust).

My point is that isn't not a good idea to assume that you'll be exempted from actions directed toward other members of your group.  In many if not most cases, it doesn't work out that way. 

My view is always if you think people are voting against their own interests, let them find out the hard way. I'm certainly no supporter of mass-deportation, but I don't think I'll feel quite the same level of sympathy if Trump goes through with this plan and we start seeing large numbers of people from Hispanic communities that voted for Trump get deported and get stories about "I voted for Trump and now he deported me or someone I know".

Likewise with inflation - I wonder how many of the "burger too expensive" voters are going to respond if Trump's tariffs go into effect and prices shoot up.

I think the people who voted for Trump due to inflation or the economy will be the easiest to swing away from the Republicans if they truly do raise tarrifs massively against all countries or deport people who are actually working and being productive.
 
It would be smart for Republicans to only deport gang members and just make a big deal about it. Maybe display them in cages with pink underwear on or something so liberals get all triggered. If they actually go after people working in construction or meatpacking plants/agriculture, they will only make inflation worse. The Democrats job then will be to nonstop blame all the problems in America on Republicans. The fact that the house narrowly stayed with the Republicans may be a blessing in disguise.

[EpicHistory]

No. i think social conservatism played a role though. just like I think it wasn't just Gaza that explained the Muslim shifts.

This would indeed be a factor, which should should make Democrats very nervous. According to Pew, by 2030 about half of Hispanics will be Evangelicals with all that entails for their likely voting patterns. You're already starting to see it show up in the data:

https://twitter.com/ryanburge/status/1775151485472395574

[EpicHistory]

15% of Hispanic people in the USA have a non-Hispanic parent and 25% do not speak Spanish, in 2020 68% of all Hispanic Americans were born in USA. All these percentages will just increase in the future, and they very obviously answer why most Hispanic Americans aren’t terrified of Trump and why stupid stuff like internalize racism is not the answer to why they voted for him.

The largest interracial pairing in America by far is White guys marrying Latinas, and the second largest is Latinos marrying White girls. This, combined with the Evangelical conversion data, goes a long way to explain the shifting patterns at play in the Hispanic vote:

https://twitter.com/epkaufm/status/1845723435344806158

[OSR stands with Israel]

Yep. It's just like Italians - subjected to racism for decades, then became the most racist group of all to deflect the energy away towards other groups.

Cope

[有爭議嘅領土 of The Figgis Agency]

Yep. It's just like Italians - subjected to racism for decades, then became the most racist group of all to deflect the energy away towards other groups.

There's some truth to this, but Latinos are quite literally white-adjacent in ways that the other major non-White racial groups in the US are not. All Latinos have a stronger baseline (demographic, linguistic, religious) connection with Europe for obvious historical reasons, which is why I voted Yes in the poll even though I don't think this was a decisive factor.

[New World Man]

D's went too far on LGBT and are obsessed with abortion. I say that as a Democrat. Also,national D's talk about climate change which is an abstract issue to people trying to survive paycheck to paycheck.

[Blue3]

We need to stop thinking/talking like this thread title… it’s the opposite takeaway to get from this election.

[LBJer]

And what do you know:

https://thehill.com/opinion/immigration/4992787-trump-deportation-plan-immigration/

Just as I thought--they won't stop with people who came here illegally.  Many of those Latinos who voted for Trump will be in for quite a shock. 

[BaldEagle1991]

If you know Latinos you wouldn’t be surprised about their choice of vote.

Many of them even consider themselves White and to some extent it isn’t exactly wrong.

[Senator Incitatus]

Yep. It's just like Italians - subjected to racism for decades, then became the most racist group of all to deflect the energy away towards other groups.

Similar in that they were always extremely racist and extremely sensitive but never really subjected to racism in the systemic way that the descendants of slaves have been.

[SN2903]

We need to stop thinking/talking like this thread title… it’s the opposite takeaway to get from this election.

It's how most Dems think like it or not. Dems may change their "rhetoric", but the average voter won't buy that they have really changed. People bought it with Bill Clinton because he really was a more moderate Southern Democrat. It wasn't fake. Plus the party socially back then wasn't insane. They have a huge problem now. Shunning their base would likely cost them in a general election as well.

[Chief Justice PiT]

No. i think social conservatism played a role though. just like I think it wasn't just Gaza that explained the Muslim shifts.

This would indeed be a factor, which should should make Democrats very nervous. According to Pew, by 2030 about half of Hispanics will be Evangelicals with all that entails for their likely voting patterns. You're already starting to see it show up in the data:

https://twitter.com/ryanburge/status/1775151485472395574

     The lack of increase among first-gen immigrants is curious given that Evangelicalism is surging across Latin America. I wonder if there is some factor that causes Latinos who come to the US to be more Catholic and less Evangelical than those who remain in Latin America.

[super6646]

15% of Hispanic people in the USA have a non-Hispanic parent and 25% do not speak Spanish, in 2020 68% of all Hispanic Americans were born in USA. All these percentages will just increase in the future, and they very obviously answer why most Hispanic Americans aren’t terrified of Trump and why stupid stuff like internalize racism is not the answer to why they voted for him.

The largest interracial pairing in America by far is White guys marrying Latinas, and the second largest is Latinos marrying White girls. This, combined with the Evangelical conversion data, goes a long way to explain the shifting patterns at play in the Hispanic vote:

https://twitter.com/epkaufm/status/1845723435344806158

Always found this sort of fact weird just because a lot of Hispanic ppl are white lol. For example, a lot of Cubans who came to America were 1 or 2 generations removed from being Spaniards.

Like yes there are many of "brown" hispanic ppl too, but I've always found it weird that they are lumped into their own racial category when it is far more complex than that.

[Badger]

I think that a lot of Latinos supporting Trump are very naive.  

They're thinking: "We'll stay on his good side.  We're the GOOD Latinos--we came here legally, we're citizens and patriotic Americans.  He'll only go after the BAD ones."  This ignores the fact that during Operation Wetback in 1954--which Trump admires--among the many Mexicans deported were American citizens.  It also ignores things like the experience of Jews in Nazi Germany who had fought during WWI and in some cases been awarded medals.  Initially they received protections other Jews didn't, but that didn't last (although in some instances particular individuals continued to receive more favorable treatment (which in one instance I read about, meant being saved from the Holocaust).

My point is that it's not a good idea to assume that you'll be exempted from actions directed toward other members of your group.  In many if not most cases, it doesn't work out that way.  

There was actually a professor of political studies from Florida I believe who basically said that this was a large part of Latino support among trump. Or as another poster here once said - I forget who I can a lot of the second generation Hispanics in the valley look upon the new immigrants somewhat as riff raff.