MI-Sen 2026: Peters retiring

[Oryxslayer]

McMorrow vs. Stevens reminds me of Kim vs. Tammy Murphy or Alsobrooks vs. Trone.

Maybe somewhat ideologically, but the defining feature of the former was insider favoritism vs normal political behaviors,  and latter the belief your money made you above the party vs party faithful.


Reminds me more of 2020 MA - we are already splitting hairs over divisions that are small, the only real meaningful one I see atm is Israel.

[John Fettercuck]

Hm well I take that back - looks like Stevens is running:

https://twitter.com/PollTracker2024/status/1910435985256542707

Her cozying up to Cuck Schumer revealed this already.

If the DSCC endorses Stevens, they are beyond redemption. Between the anti-Semitism and the Quislingism there's really no difference between her and a Republican.

[Anti-Penguin Tariff Voter]

Hm well I take that back - looks like Stevens is running:

https://twitter.com/PollTracker2024/status/1910435985256542707

#NeverStevens

I want ABS (anyone but Stevens)

[Mr.Bakari-Sellers]

Hm well I take that back - looks like Stevens is running:

https://twitter.com/PollTracker2024/status/1910435985256542707

Her cozying up to Cuck Schumer revealed this already.

If the DSCC endorses Stevens, they are beyond redemption. Between the anti-Semitism and the Quislingism there's really no difference between her and a Republican.

No one will do a Manchin and Sinema veto Voting Rights on the heals of the Filibuster.

[henster]

McMorrow vs. Stevens reminds me of Kim vs. Tammy Murphy or Alsobrooks vs. Trone.

It's definitely looking like it won't be a two way if Tate and El Sayed runs.

[100% pro-choice no matter what]

McMorrow vs. Stevens reminds me of Kim vs. Tammy Murphy or Alsobrooks vs. Trone.

Maybe somewhat ideologically, but the defining feature of the former was insider favoritism vs normal political behaviors,  and latter the belief your money made you above the party vs party faithful.


Reminds me more of 2020 MA - we are already splitting hairs over divisions that are small, the only real meaningful one I see atm is Israel.

McMorrow isn't even that (or at all) anti-Israel lmao. Especially considering that there are actual anti-Zionist politicians in the state like Al-Sayed and Tlaib.

[morgieb]

Endorsing Stevens, she is the type of voice that the party needs.

This is the best possible endorsement for McMorrow.

[darklordoftech]

Who are the constituencies for each candidate?

Maybe

African Americans: Tate

Progressives of all stripes: McMorrow

White centrists and pro-Israel people: Stevens.

Muslims TBD if Abdul El-Sayed gets in.

Unless Stevens has a similar message, I expect McMorrow to do well with "The Resistance", wine moms, voters motivated by abortion, LGBT rights, 1/6, etc.

[Spectator]

I get the sense that McMorrow’s popularity is very much from the online crowd and not necessarily reflective of the base.

[somco]

Endorsing Stevens, she is the type of voice that the party needs.

wow what an absolute shock, wonder what led you to this decision

[Steve from Lambeth]

My reaction to the Democratic primary:

[The '90s' Last Champion]

McMorrow vs. Stevens reminds me of Kim vs. Tammy Murphy or Alsobrooks vs. Trone.

Maybe somewhat ideologically, but the defining feature of the former was insider favoritism vs normal political behaviors,  and latter the belief your money made you above the party vs party faithful.


Reminds me more of 2020 MA - we are already splitting hairs over divisions that are small, the only real meaningful one I see atm is Israel.

McMorrow isn't even that (or at all) anti-Israel lmao. Especially considering that there are actual anti-Zionist politicians in the state like Al-Sayed and Tlaib.

McMorrow, as far as I can tell, has taken no position on the issue, or if she has, it's really hard to find.

[100% pro-choice no matter what]

McMorrow vs. Stevens reminds me of Kim vs. Tammy Murphy or Alsobrooks vs. Trone.

Maybe somewhat ideologically, but the defining feature of the former was insider favoritism vs normal political behaviors,  and latter the belief your money made you above the party vs party faithful.


Reminds me more of 2020 MA - we are already splitting hairs over divisions that are small, the only real meaningful one I see atm is Israel.

McMorrow isn't even that (or at all) anti-Israel lmao. Especially considering that there are actual anti-Zionist politicians in the state like Al-Sayed and Tlaib.

McMorrow, as far as I can tell, has taken no position on the issue, or if she has, it's really hard to find.

IIRC she condemned 10/7 and hasn't said much since.

[Schumer can go f*** himself!]

Hm well I take that back - looks like Stevens is running:

https://twitter.com/PollTracker2024/status/1910435985256542707

Her cozying up to Cuck Schumer revealed this already.

If the DSCC endorses Stevens, they are beyond redemption. Between the anti-Semitism and the Quislingism there's really no difference between her and a Republican.

Imagine actually believing this

She’s neither an anti-Semite nor a Quisling, literally what are you even talking about right now?

[John Fettercuck]

Her defense of questioning Levin's Jewishness was anti-Semitic, her comments defending Schumer and calling the opposition to his leadership counterproductive were being a Quisling.

Please make sure you have a basic grasp of the facts before condescending to me. I can understand forgetting about the anti-Semitism but the Quisling stuff happened a month ago.

[Schumer can go f*** himself!]

Her defense of questioning Levin's Jewishness was anti-Semitic, her comments defending Schumer and calling the opposition to his leadership counterproductive were being a Quisling.

Please make sure you have a basic grasp of the facts before condescending to me. I can understand forgetting about the anti-Semitism but the Quisling stuff happened a month ago.

I guess we have different definitions of what being a “Quisling” means, so maybe there was a genuine misunderstanding.  To me, a Quisling is someone who has deliberately sold out their country to either a foreign nation (ex: the term namer) or a domestic traitor committed to its destruction (ex: JD Vance becoming a Trumpist despite believing Trump was “America’s Hitler”) for their own personal gain.  I agree Stevens’ support for Schumer was cowardly and a mark against her (although not necessarily a deal-breaker on its own), but I don’t think that makes her a Quisling.  To me a Quisling is a traitor one’s country.  I don’t think that’s a fair charge to level against Stevens.

I remember the stuff with Andy Levin, but iirc AIPAC - which supported Stevens - engaged in some at the very least borderline anti-Semitic attacks on Levin while Stevens and her campaign itself had no involvement in that. Obviously, correct me if I’m misremembering, but if I’m right about what happened in that primary then I don’t think it’s fair to call Stevens an anti-Semite.

Beyond which, I don’t see how one can seriously argue there is no difference between her and a Republican. 

[wbrocks67]

I get the sense that McMorrow’s popularity is very much from the online crowd and not necessarily reflective of the base.

I don't understand this thinking as if McMorrow is some elitist classroom only appeals to the top 1% of Dems thing. Everything that she has done has been very mainstream Dem, so why would she not appeal to the mainstream Dem crowd? I don't believe the regular non-online base likes Chuck Schumer either, among other things...?

[Spectator]

I get the sense that McMorrow’s popularity is very much from the online crowd and not necessarily reflective of the base.

I don't understand this thinking as if McMorrow is some elitist classroom only appeals to the top 1% of Dems thing. Everything that she has done has been very mainstream Dem, so why would she not appeal to the mainstream Dem crowd? I don't believe the regular non-online base likes Chuck Schumer either, among other things...?

It’s not that I think she’s elitist. It’s this fantasy that a random state senator is going to beat a congresswoman in a D Senate primary in the notoriously establishment-friendly D electorate. Hasn’t happened in over 20 years. She’s not Obama, I hate to break that news.

[wbrocks67]

I get the sense that McMorrow’s popularity is very much from the online crowd and not necessarily reflective of the base.

I don't understand this thinking as if McMorrow is some elitist classroom only appeals to the top 1% of Dems thing. Everything that she has done has been very mainstream Dem, so why would she not appeal to the mainstream Dem crowd? I don't believe the regular non-online base likes Chuck Schumer either, among other things...?

It’s not that I think she’s elitist. It’s this fantasy that a random state senator is going to beat a congresswoman in a D Senate primary in the notoriously establishment-friendly D electorate. Hasn’t happened in over 20 years. She’s not Obama, I hate to break that news.

I never suggested she was - what is with the condescending attitude?

[Mr.Bakari-Sellers]

We need a poll but Tate hasn't announced yet

[ponderosa peen 🌲]

Might be wishcasting but my gut tells me Stevens would underperform and lose in a primary. Problem is  a crowded primary field makes it easy for an underperformance to still win.

[John Fettercuck]

I guess we have different definitions of what being a “Quisling” means, so maybe there was a genuine misunderstanding.  To me, a Quisling is someone who has deliberately sold out their country to either a foreign nation (ex: the term namer) or a domestic traitor committed to its destruction (ex: JD Vance becoming a Trumpist despite believing Trump was “America’s Hitler”) for their own personal gain.  I agree Stevens’ support for Schumer was cowardly and a mark against her (although not necessarily a deal-breaker on its own), but I don’t think that makes her a Quisling.  To me a Quisling is a traitor one’s country.  I don’t think that’s a fair charge to level against Stevens.

I would consider doing nothing to stop Trump's abuses of executive authority being a Quisling. And the choice between Hitler and Quisling is a false one.

[Crane]

Maybe if Stevens gets the nom then Levin can run for her seat

[Rhode Islander First, American Second]

Isn't Stevens just a normal standard Democrat? Don't get all the vicious opposition to her.

Who would be more electable in a general (not just in 2026 but 2032, etc.) - McMorrow or Stevens? I'm not sure, but I'll support whoever is.

[Anti-Penguin Tariff Voter]

Isn't Stevens just a normal standard Democrat? Don't get all the vicious opposition to her.

Who would be more electable in a general (not just in 2026 but 2032, etc.) - McMorrow or Stevens? I'm not sure, but I'll support whoever is.

Stevens is AIPAC’s poster child due to them shoveling money at her to defeat Levin so she gets a lot of transposed feelings from there.