Reasons Why the Democrats are now a coastal marginalized party

[SN2903]

The message the electorate has delivered is clear and it is a clear rejection of the Obama/Biden/Harris iteration of the Democratic Party. Democrats clearly need to move towards the center and offer something more to middle America. I think Josh Shapiro has the chance to be a Bill Clinton-esque figure if he plays his cards right.

Josh Shapiro, while still pretty liberal, is way too moderate to ever get the nomination. He doesn't appeal to enough of the party. Again this encapsulates the problem they have.

We need someone who’s a clear cut economic populist while avoiding the culture wars.


Unfortunately we lost him last night.

Who are you talking about?

[EastOfEden]

Press X to doubt, except for #8, which is absolutely right.

[angus]

Then again, in a couple of years when Donald Trump enters the advanced state of cognitive decline that Joe Biden is in today, things could get very interesting.  It may be that Democrats need to do nothing to win the midterms in a landslide election. 

[ProgressiveModerate]

3. The Democrats are totally lost and have no message other than identity politics. Their calling card is to divide Americans by race, gender, sexual orientation and to totally ruin the atmosphere that existed pre 2015 ish of people doing their best to judge on people on who they are and not what they identified as politically.

gun control, climate change, health insurance and many other messages

I think a lot of it is social media, where politics tends to be dominated by culture war issues and not policy. Even though Dems may message on these issues they're not breaking through to a large swath of Amreicans who don't use more traditional news sources.

[Don't blame me I voted for Harris]

You sound like Democrats did after 2012. Or how Republicans did after 2004. Calm down.

Or the Republicans after 1980 and 1984, Democrats after 1996, Democrats after 2008, etc. etc.

But it'll be different this time!

[Rhode Islander First, American Second]

I will never understand how Americans could look at Donald Trump's conduct after the last election and reward him with another term. To me, that was a good message and a clear case against him. It's not our fault this country isn't educated enough to understand why what he did was so dangerous.

[ProgressiveModerate]

To be fair Democrats have if anything become a bit less geographically coastal - many of Trump's largest swings were out of costal states.

[DrScholl]

The permanent Republican majority argument was made in 2004 and we see how that turned out.

[SN2903]

The permanent Republican majority argument was made in 2004 and we see how that turned out.

2004 came down to one state. Trump swept all 7 swing states and every state in the country shifted R. Dems didn't flip one Trump 2020 county D.

[OSR stands with Israel]

The permanent Republican majority argument was made in 2004 and we see how that turned out.

2004 came down to one state. Trump swept all 7 swing states and every state in the country shifted R. Dems didn't flip one Trump 2020 county D.

I think the better comparison to this is our version of 2012. Now lets see what we do with this and how both parties are like in 27-28

[Open Source Intelligence]

Something similar was probably said about the Republican Party after the 1932 and 1936 elections, and those (combined with the 1930 and 1934 midterms) were a more dire repudiation than anything we have experienced recently.

Republicans didn't win a presidential election from 1928 to 1952. Yeah, they technically they did come back, but that was a completely different generation of leaders. (And Eisenhower wasn't really a Republican.) Although I think the more damning case are Democrats 1860 through 1932 had a grand total of 2 elected Presidents.

I have thought the party bases right now are flips of the 1930s, Democrats' saving grace is the elites are more geographically spread now outside of just about only the northeast back then, and Democrats now have a minority voter base that props them up.

That said, forever's a long time. And Donald Trump and the Republicans now to get deal with all the problems that Joe Biden and the Democrats had to deal with. There's some truth in the OP but it's not like you snap your fingers all the issues Trump will inherit go automatically away. If anything the worse thing that can happen is they do what Democrats did in 2021/22 and overreach on their pet issues that they really want to do but is not what the electorate really cares about. The problems the electorate really cares about are not something that can be solved with a soundbite or a 3-minute speech. "We're going to mass deport immigrants Day 1" is Barack Obama 2008 saying "we're getting American troops out of Iraq Day 1". No you're not. First, you're not a King that rules by decree. Second, explain the logistics if you are, as in the trucks and aircraft and the personnel that are going to expel everyone while remaining inside the law. Trump wants a devalued dollar to boost American trade, lower interest rates for it to be cheaper to get debt, and somehow inflation is not going to rear its ugly head again? Explain that.

[Voice of low info America]

I disagree with writing off the Democrats' ability to win elections (which is separate from Democrats actually learning the required lessons), but your diagnosis is correct.

[Zenobiyl]

Everything will change when (or if) Trump is finally out of the picture.

There will still be Vance.

Yes.

[Reactionary Libertarian]

Don’t count your chickens before they’ve hatched. I will only believe Dems are doomed if a non-Trump Republican wins in 2028.

[GMantis]

Something similar was probably said about the Republican Party after the 1932 and 1936 elections, and those (combined with the 1930 and 1934 midterms) were a more dire repudiation than anything we have experienced recently.

Yes, it was certainly predicted that the Republican party was doomed after 1936. But what you've forgotten is that Republican party realized it was repudiated and moved towards the center on the key issues of the day. Up to 1964, every Republican presidential nominee tacitly accepted most of the New Deal. Even so, it took twenty years for the Republicans to regain the presidency and they did with a candidate who was foremost a national hero. Do the Democrats recognize that they've been repudiated or are they insistent on doubling down on their current position?

[GAinDC]

I’ve read so many political obituaries:

Dems after 2004, 2010, and 2016

Republicans after 2008, 2012 and even 2022

I don’t see how this time is any different, especially since Dems defied the odds in a lot of congressional races. But it was always naive to think Harris could turn things around in 100 days. I’lll admit I was wrong about that.

Many voters are just perpetually angry and punish the party in power. It happened to the Dems this year and will happen to Republicans next. Trump seems as incompetent as ever, and he’s not getting any younger. And he can’t even run again, so Republicans better think about how to move on without him asap

[GAinDC]

Something similar was probably said about the Republican Party after the 1932 and 1936 elections, and those (combined with the 1930 and 1934 midterms) were a more dire repudiation than anything we have experienced recently.

Yes, it was certainly predicted that the Republican party was doomed after 1936. But what you've forgotten is that Republican party realized it was repudiated and moved towards the center on the key issues of the day. Up to 1964, every Republican presidential nominee tacitly accepted most of the New Deal. Even so, it took twenty years for the Republicans to regain the presidency and they did with a candidate who was foremost a national hero. Do the Democrats recognize that they've been repudiated or are they insistent on doubling down on their current position?

lol, Dems losing the popular vote by 1.5 points and GAINING house seats is being “repudiated”?

[New World Man]

Let's revisit this after the tax cuts and gutting of the safety net. They may not blame Trump,but they sure as hell will blame the congressional GOP.

[Stan2021]

It’s simple: they’re weird.

[Stan2021]

Something similar was probably said about the Republican Party after the 1932 and 1936 elections, and those (combined with the 1930 and 1934 midterms) were a more dire repudiation than anything we have experienced recently.

Yes, it was certainly predicted that the Republican party was doomed after 1936. But what you've forgotten is that Republican party realized it was repudiated and moved towards the center on the key issues of the day. Up to 1964, every Republican presidential nominee tacitly accepted most of the New Deal. Even so, it took twenty years for the Republicans to regain the presidency and they did with a candidate who was foremost a national hero. Do the Democrats recognize that they've been repudiated or are they insistent on doubling down on their current position?

lol, Dems losing the popular vote by 1.5 points and GAINING house seats is being “repudiated”?

LOL.

One thing I admire about your posts is that you’re an eternal optimist; nothing ever rains on your parade.

Democrats lose the popular vote for the first time in a generation?

“Big deal.”

Republicans pick up four seats and win control of the Senate.

“Big deal.”

Democrats fail to gain control of the House after being significant favorites to do so all summer and fall?

“Big deal.”

[For Trump, everything. For immigrants, the law]

A one note hack thinks Democrats are screwed forever? I guess it must be true. It’s not like people said the exact same thing in 2004 and 2016.

[Joe Biden 2028]

Everything will change when (or if) Trump is finally out of the picture.

There will still be Vance.

Vance only won Ohio by 6 points in 2022, a republican year. He underperformed. DeWine won by 25 points!

Vance lacks something Trump has.

[Peppermint_Splatty]

Everything will change when (or if) Trump is finally out of the picture.

There will still be Vance.

If you think Vance has an ounce of Trump's stage presence you're an idiot.

[Peppermint_Splatty]

The message the electorate has delivered is clear and it is a clear rejection of the Obama/Biden/Harris iteration of the Democratic Party. Democrats clearly need to move towards the center and offer something more to middle America. I think Josh Shapiro has the chance to be a Bill Clinton-esque figure if he plays his cards right.

Josh Shapiro, while still pretty liberal, is way too moderate to ever get the nomination.Also, the fact that he is Jewish when a large vocal minority of the Democrat party is anti-semitic will also make it virtually impossible to get it. He doesn't appeal to enough of the party. Again this encapsulates the problem they have.

Please change your avatar to blue if you actually think that criticizing Israel for bulldozing Gaza is anti-semetic. Better yet please get a lobotomy.