Joe Biden's legacy

[Freezer69]

Jimmy Carter 2.0

Biden loses even worse if he stayed in the race, probably loses NJ

[Stranger in a strange land]

He'll go down in history as a failed, ineffectual president. Slightly better than Trump, Dubya, and the awful string of pre and post Civil War presidents. Tragic, because he really deserves better.

[VBM]

Hey now. He can still salvage his presidency by pardoning Hunter.

Honestly, Biden might as well just pardon Trump and spare us the constitutional crisis when Trump inevitably pardons himself

[Sir Mohamed]

What should Biden have done instead? He dealt with the challenges he had to face relatively well, from an objective standpoint. I'm not buying him declining to run in early 2023 would have saved us from this debacle. People would blame him for spending half his presidency as a lame duck or even blame him for not running again. Simply because incumbency was viewed as a strength not too long ago.

Maybe we should have picked a different nominee in 2020, it's just that he appeared to be the strongest candidate to get rid of Trump. It even seemed that other candidates would only barely beat Trump, Biden might crush him at a level Trump would have been done politically.

I'm not saying he did everything right, just believe y'all are too harsh on him. Trump returning to office is what voters wanted, ergo they deserve the credit or blame.

[Mr.Bakari-Sellers]

What should Biden have done instead? He dealt with the challenges he had to face relatively well, from an objective standpoint. I'm not buying him declining to run in early 2023 would have saved us from this debacle. People would blame him for spending half his presidency as a lame duck or even blame him for not running again. Simply because incumbency was viewed as a strength not too long ago.

Maybe we should have picked a different nominee in 2020, it's just that he appeared to be the strongest candidate to get rid of Trump. It even seemed that other candidates would only barely beat Trump, Biden might crush him at a level Trump would have been done politically.

I'm not saying he did everything right, just believe y'all are too harsh on him. Trump returning to office is what voters wanted, ergo they deserve the credit or blame.

He should of resigned and made Harris Prez for the next couple of months why wasn't that discussed

[Progressive Pessimist]

What should Biden have done instead? He dealt with the challenges he had to face relatively well, from an objective standpoint. I'm not buying him declining to run in early 2023 would have saved us from this debacle. People would blame him for spending half his presidency as a lame duck or even blame him for not running again. Simply because incumbency was viewed as a strength not too long ago.

Maybe we should have picked a different nominee in 2020, it's just that he appeared to be the strongest candidate to get rid of Trump. It even seemed that other candidates would only barely beat Trump, Biden might crush him at a level Trump would have been done politically.

I'm not saying he did everything right, just believe y'all are too harsh on him. Trump returning to office is what voters wanted, ergo they deserve the credit or blame.

Seconded.

Although, as I noted in another thread the Democrats' weak bench in 2020 was a large reason why Biden was the nominee.

History will be kinder to him though, and rougher on the electorate. He did succeed at what he was elected do, he just gad infinitely worse luck than most other Presidents.

[For Trump, everything. For immigrants, the law]

In the end, he'll probably be seen as someone with a very forgettable presidency who cost the Democrats victory in 2024 and we'll see what the consequences of this loss end up being.

[Sir Mohamed]

Btw, some I feel - and maybe it's just a notion not rooted in facts - that Obama is still much more to blame for the rise of Trump than Biden, Clinton or any other Dem politician (including Sanders).

[Chickpeas]

He'll leave behind the Joseph R. Biden Presidential Center which will be the biggest tourist hotspot in Delaware.

[exopolitician]

The Cryptkeeper in Chief will be forgotten or just ignored because of how abysmal his Presidceny was. I'll give it to him though, the fact he was able to take out Trump in 2020 and then fudge it up SO BAD that he was able to bring him right back in is...really something. That's quite the accomplishment for sure.

[Donald Trump’s Toupée]

The Cryptkeeper in Chief will be forgotten or just ignored because of how abysmal his Presidceny was. I'll give it to him though, the fact he was able to take out Trump in 2020 and then fudge it up SO BAD that he was able to bring him right back in is...really something. That's quite the accomplishment for sure.

It was the most Joe Biden thing of all. “Never underestimate Joe’s ability to fuk things up”, was the direct quote from Obama. Obama was right.

[Doomer]

The Cryptkeeper in Chief will be forgotten or just ignored because of how abysmal his Presidceny was. I'll give it to him though, the fact he was able to take out Trump in 2020 and then fudge it up SO BAD that he was able to bring him right back in is...really something. That's quite the accomplishment for sure.

This.

Whatever his legacy might have been is now and likely forever erased.

[Wrong about 2024 Ghost]

Here's what I wrote four years ago, in response to the question, "Do you believe that Biden's election is a stay of execution?"

I think Biden is a good man and a good politician (insofar as you can be either in American politics at this point in history). But unless he turns out to be a far greater leader than I expect him to be (Linclon or FDR-class leader), or American society undergoes a fundamental chance in the next few years, I think we're in for a real showcase of horrors.

America can't even agree that representative government and public health are good things. We squander our vast resources. Our government is crippled by many factors. Our society is in thrall to fictionalization, and our corporations focus on extracting wealth for the benefit of a tiny elite, not on creating it. 

We don't seem to be able to grasp change, we have huge legacy costs we've ignored, social systems inimical to our are growing stronger while we grow weaker. And the planet is on fire.

Biden is a respite we could use to reform and improve our nation. I expect his term to be spent on squabbling and and trying to hold back a destructive Republican tide. I  voted yes.

[Fargobison]

His mistake was seeing the 2022 midterms as some kind of mandate, instead he should have saw it as a sign that America was still skeptical on Trump's brand of politics and worked to find a candidate that could beat him in 2024. The people around him did a disservice to him, sheltering him from his decline when they should have been trying to save his dignity. The 2024 debate against Trump was really an awful moment, it put him on a stage where what he was becoming was on full display. Sadly that will be his legacy, a weak old man in mental decline.

[Donald Trump’s Toupée]

Joe Biden never really got along with Kamala Harris, but he has strong resentment towards her and the Democrats Machine that literally pushed him aside. At some point he is going to have to face the press, seeing as he’s still technically the President. Can’t hide forever.

Penny for Joe’s thoughts, his legacy literally in tatters.

[BaldEagle1991]

Being the Democrat version of George W. Bush.

That’s kind of how I viewed him for the past year.

[Sir Mohamed]

Being the Democrat version of George W. Bush.

That’s kind of how I viewed him for the past year.

W at least served 2 terms. Ironically, that's also the only thing he accomplished but his father didn't.

[Higgs]

What legacy?

As somebody else said, he'll be Jimmy Carter 2.0, probably remembered even worse to be honest.

Sleepy Joe will always hold a special place in my heart though.

[Bush did 311]

It shows what happens when you go with the most "electable" candidate.

Funny thing about electability. They never think about how they're gonna win the 2nd term once they're in.

[Open Source Intelligence]

Joe Biden never really got along with Kamala Harris, but he has strong resentment towards her and the Democrats Machine that literally pushed him aside. At some point he is going to have to face the press, seeing as he’s still technically the President. Can’t hide forever.

Penny for Joe’s thoughts, his legacy literally in tatters.

I think he can hide forever. He'll be 82 years old in 2 weeks and is pretty clearly retiring for good in January and will be our oldest ex-President after Carter meaning in theory he has the least retirement years left remaining. I doubt the Democratic Party apparatus remaining and those wanting to control the party or run for President in the future are going to seek out his wisdom. The reporters are all going to focus on Trump.

I love presidential funerals because it's the only time this country ever does serious introspections about recent history. I think we'll have to wait for his and how it looks. When that is who knows, but President Trump and Trump's immediate successor could be memories by then.

As far as him staying in office. I listen to a Canadian political podcast called Curse of Politics. Quite excellent. The hosts are all political movers and shakers in Ottawa. The main host David Herle (former Chretien aid) said at the time in 2023 Biden announcing he was running for reelection was a mistake. He didn't give any details or reasons why, just said it was a mistake in his show-closing comments, which tells me he had Trudeau administration sources in Canada telling him what Biden was really like.

The problem here is not so much Biden choosing to run for reelection - politicians are naturally vain people that overestimate their abilities. The problem is Democrats' automatic deference to their older generations and they don't challenge them. This is readily seen occurring in how many 80-somethings Democrats have had in Congress seats and leadership in recent years. Dean Phillips got himself effectively excommunicated. Both parties in general don't like anyone stepping out of line at all, especially so in this modern era. But the notion there was a debate occurring on June 27th which was scheduled way too early and then afterward the party went straight from "how dare you question the President's mental acumen" to Nancy Pelosi calling everyone to "put on pressure and force him out", I'm sorry I think the conspiracy theory here is right. People in the party made the decision Biden would lose, and once past the primary the tightly knit control group would control who was selected to replace him. The only wiggle room is how far back did these people decide Biden had to be replaced - was it before the primaries or after the primaries? If it was before the primaries, we're now in pretty nefarious territory. I do believe that decision occurred before June 27th, June 27th was just a fait accompli of "show the world the man and what we already know".

[Alan Simpson]

At least Dr. Jill Biden made the cover of Vogue.

I had no idea that a person with an Ed.D had a medical specialty, justifying being publicly referred to as "Doctor".   

[Yu748Girl83]

Modern Day Franklin Pierce.

How?

[Unelectable Bystander]

A warm man with good intentions. Evidenced by his rise during covid and his insane margins with traditionally R demographics. Most of his priorities he truly thought were helping the average person.

An ineffective leader. Don’t think this needs explanation.

A person with better instincts than the liberal educated class but his weak spot was giving into them because he desperately wanted their approval. Choosing Harris the first time. Avoiding public appearances with average voters. Staying in the race so long. Choosing Harris the second time. Moving left on social issues. Not addressing the border. Pumping through a giant spending bill when inflation was already starting.

[Torie]

He will be ranked as a mediocre president.

[Stan2021]

At least Dr. Jill Biden made the cover of Vogue.

I had no idea that a person with an Ed.D had a medical specialty, justifying being publicly referred to as "Doctor".   

It’s ridiculous. 

An EdD is the same degree Shaq and Bill Cosby have? Why don’t we call them Dr. Shaq and Dr.  Cosby?

On top of that, she insisted everyone call her “Dr” right during the height of COVID as myself and my colleagues were working on the front lines while “Dr” Jill was at home.

Im so glad Biden and “Dr” Jill’s legacy is TRUMP.