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« Reply #25 on: November 06, 2024, 01:02:43 AM »

He picked Harris as the worse VP even Redban said Harris and Walz sucks
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« Reply #26 on: November 06, 2024, 01:04:02 AM »

0% his fault. Lol

He had an objectively successful term and people thought he was too old. Fine. Then Harris steps in and people just yesterday are hailing Biden as a hero. Nothing changed today except people’s votes. Blame them.

Basically this. Wouldn’t say 0% his fault, because he never should have run for a second term, but his term was quite successful. He really messed up their chances in this election though.
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« Reply #27 on: November 06, 2024, 01:04:31 AM »

He went from the Trump slayer to Trump's patsy. Sad how he went out with that last debate, his family and close friends should have spared him from that embarassment.
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« Reply #28 on: November 06, 2024, 01:09:36 AM »

It's JOEver!
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« Reply #29 on: November 06, 2024, 01:11:07 AM »

Let’s be honest. Absent COVID, if Joe Biden had to run a real campaign he’d have lost in 2020. Hell if democratic governors didn’t torture their own citizens by shutting down their states for months on end, Joe Biden would have lost.

He’s an accidental President. He bungled and bumbled inflation and Afghanistan within months of inauguration because he’s an idiot that prefers smugly gaslighting people than fixing problems.
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« Reply #30 on: November 06, 2024, 01:23:42 AM »

You can't just blame Biden when the Democratic establishment backed him in 2020 and backed him this year knowing he wasn't up to it, then they fixed it for Harris, who is a very poor politician to put up against Trump.
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« Reply #31 on: November 06, 2024, 01:42:00 AM »

Biden was masterful in spearheading NATO's ongoing support for Ukraine.  However, all it will have served is to give the Ukrainian people a few years respite.  Eastern Ukraine will now be Russian. 

Biden's hubris. 
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« Reply #32 on: November 06, 2024, 01:48:37 AM »

Zilch. In a decade no one will remember him. If AI doesn't kill us all first, our descendants will be reading about Trump in the history books centuries into the future.
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« Reply #33 on: November 06, 2024, 01:58:10 AM »

Zilch. In a decade no one will remember him. If AI doesn't kill us all first, our descendants will be reading about Trump in the history books centuries into the future.

Trump literally dodged bullets to win the Presidency and overcame Democrat abuse of the justice system.  But Biden was the mentally unfit President that had to be pushed out of the race when Democrats realized they were about to lose VA, NJ, MN, NM, etc. Despite his mental infirmity, he was still allowed to call himself President even though it was pretty obvious that other were doing the job.
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« Reply #34 on: November 06, 2024, 08:07:09 AM »

Easily among the bottom 6 presidents in US history
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« Reply #35 on: November 06, 2024, 08:09:24 AM »

He left a solid legacy that goes underappreciated due to the climate as of 2024.
Historians will understand the weight of his accomplishments.
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« Reply #36 on: November 06, 2024, 08:10:21 AM »

He left a solid legacy that goes underappreciated due to the climate as of 2024.
Historians will understand the weight of his accomplishments.
His main goal was to lead us past the Trump era. He utterly failed.
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« Reply #37 on: November 06, 2024, 08:12:58 AM »

If it wasn’t for Trump being substantially worse, I doubt the Ukrainians would miss his insistence on dictating the ways they’re allowed to fight a war of survival
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« Reply #38 on: November 06, 2024, 08:18:18 AM »

He left a solid legacy that goes underappreciated due to the climate as of 2024.
Historians will understand the weight of his accomplishments.
His main goal was to lead us past the Trump era. He utterly failed.
He created change in material conditions that get ignored or devalued by enough voters thanks to probably completely unrealistic expectations.
The dream of the Trump economy is what permitted Trump to come back in the end. Biden was trying to forgive student loan debt and get deals through which would handle the border issues' loose ends. The former was stopped by SCOTUS and the latter was stopped by Republicans and especially Trump, who forced them into his position.
He delivered $35 insulin. Which is huge.
He couldn't change the color of the water, true. Presidents aren't all-powerful. And they have usually not been anywhere close either.
Biden was a great president. He did a lot of things for this country. God bless him. We don't always get what we want and I hope as much of what Biden did sticks.
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« Reply #39 on: November 06, 2024, 08:25:08 AM »

Worse than Carter. In fact, this election bears a few similarities to 1980: a resounding defeat for the incumbent administration and loss of liberal Democratic "populist" senators. The country will continue to lurch rightwards as Democrats find themselves in the dark.

It's difficult to predict how Democrats will rebrand themselves, but until then the future is Republican and the realignment is essentially complete.

This is a little dramatic. Harris will probably lose by a point or two in the popular vote. If Republicans could could come back strong after 2008, Dems can survive this.
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« Reply #40 on: November 06, 2024, 08:26:30 AM »

He left a solid legacy that goes underappreciated due to the climate as of 2024.
Historians will understand the weight of his accomplishments.
His main goal was to lead us past the Trump era. He utterly failed.

I'm not going to entirely blame him for not trying to bring us out of the Trump era, as much as I blame Republicans for refusing to let the Trump era go.
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« Reply #41 on: November 06, 2024, 08:28:01 AM »

He left a solid legacy that goes underappreciated due to the climate as of 2024.
Historians will understand the weight of his accomplishments.
His main goal was to lead us past the Trump era. He utterly failed.

I'm not going to entirely blame him for not trying to bring us out of the Trump era, as much as I blame Republicans for refusing to let the Trump era go.

Now it’s the Republicans’ turn to prop up an ailing president. Good luck.
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« Reply #42 on: November 06, 2024, 08:29:41 AM »

He left a solid legacy that goes underappreciated due to the climate as of 2024.
Historians will understand the weight of his accomplishments.
His main goal was to lead us past the Trump era. He utterly failed.

I'm not going to entirely blame him for not trying to bring us out of the Trump era, as much as I blame Republicans for refusing to let the Trump era go.

Now it’s the Republicans’ turn to prop up an ailing president. Good luck.

They don't need it. He isn't seen that way as much as he should be.
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« Reply #43 on: November 06, 2024, 08:33:36 AM »

He left a solid legacy that goes underappreciated due to the climate as of 2024.
Historians will understand the weight of his accomplishments.
His main goal was to lead us past the Trump era. He utterly failed.

I'm not going to entirely blame him for not trying to bring us out of the Trump era, as much as I blame Republicans for refusing to let the Trump era go.

Now it’s the Republicans’ turn to prop up an ailing president. Good luck.

They don't need it. He isn't seen that way as much as he should be.

I mean, his age was already showing in the campaign and it doesn’t get better from there
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« Reply #44 on: November 06, 2024, 08:34:22 AM »

He will be mid-lower tier now. Maybe even bottom tier.

With his entire legacy undone by Trump and his action/inaction on several key problems he will not be remembered kindly.

Had Harris won, it would be the opposite. But she didn’t win and really didn’t even come close to winning. That in itself is a testament to poor political calculation and general leadership from Biden.

FURTHER…Obama’s legacy is further tarnished now. Obama could have built up a Democratic Party to rival this current GOP. He could’ve groomed a successor. He sat on his hands though. I’m almost angrier at Obama than Biden.


I don’t know that I’ll be so willing or eager to support another Democrat. I voted Republican until 2016. Democrats have largely let me down and disappointed me. I think I’m done with them.
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« Reply #45 on: November 06, 2024, 08:37:03 AM »

He left a solid legacy that goes underappreciated due to the climate as of 2024.
Historians will understand the weight of his accomplishments.
His main goal was to lead us past the Trump era. He utterly failed.

I'm not going to entirely blame him for not trying to bring us out of the Trump era, as much as I blame Republicans for refusing to let the Trump era go.

Now it’s the Republicans’ turn to prop up an ailing president. Good luck.

They don't need it. He isn't seen that way as much as he should be.

I mean, his age was already showing in the campaign and it doesn’t get better from there

He will never die, and Americans will never see him for the monster he truly is. In effect, the average American identifies or relates to him too much.
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« Reply #46 on: November 06, 2024, 08:42:15 AM »

He picked Harris as the worse VP even Redban said Harris and Walz sucks

What happened to the 303 map??
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« Reply #47 on: November 06, 2024, 08:56:25 AM »

He left a solid legacy that goes underappreciated due to the climate as of 2024.
Historians will understand the weight of his accomplishments.
His main goal was to lead us past the Trump era. He utterly failed.

I think the hope of Biden 2020 was "get back to normal".

I think even people that are partisan Democrats will acknowledge that has not occurred. Leave aside January 6th. The aftereffects of Covid (inflation largely) has had large effects on people and we're now involved in 2 wars around the world, one that is approaching 3 years old and the other just had a birthday.
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« Reply #48 on: November 06, 2024, 09:07:22 AM »

Will end being remembered as one of the most unpopular president by various political factions for different reasons
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« Reply #49 on: November 06, 2024, 09:18:40 AM »

Worse than Carter. In fact, this election bears a few similarities to 1980: a resounding defeat for the incumbent administration and loss of liberal Democratic "populist" senators. The country will continue to lurch rightwards as Democrats find themselves in the dark.

It's difficult to predict how Democrats will rebrand themselves, but until then the future is Republican and the realignment is essentially complete.

The really sad thing, and it's what worries me the most at this point, is that I think they will be able to get away without rebranding themselves. Now that it's looking like Slotkin and Baldwin have won, if Rosen and Gallego win too I don't think the establishment will be forced to reform since they aren't locked out of anything. Ironically, they will likely do what Republicans did this time, rely on the inevitable unpopularity of the worthless and elderly administration that will inevitably fail to fix any of the nation's problems and hope that's enough.
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