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« Reply #25 on: September 11, 2024, 01:10:17 PM »

Philly was a lot of fun yesterday. The Harris campaign blanketed the entire downtown with ads everywhere

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« Reply #26 on: September 11, 2024, 01:39:34 PM »

While funny, this probably is a waste of funds. That being said Democrats are so rich with cash right now it isn’t a problem.
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« Reply #27 on: September 11, 2024, 01:47:25 PM »

No signs here in the east bay or San Francisco. My family and co-workers are strongly behind Harris, but my family is full of Latinos and I work in San Francisco, so. Duh.

My 60ish year old (Nicaraguan immigrant) supervisor did tell me yesterday that she loves trolling people on Reddit. I was like… ok slay.
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« Reply #28 on: September 11, 2024, 01:49:04 PM »

While funny, this probably is a waste of funds. That being said Democrats are so rich with cash right now it isn’t a problem.

If you're talking about my post, no it wasn't. The amount of earned media/attention it got was definitely a more than worth it ROI.
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« Reply #29 on: September 11, 2024, 01:52:11 PM »

While funny, this probably is a waste of funds. That being said Democrats are so rich with cash right now it isn’t a problem.

If you're talking about my post, no it wasn't. The amount of earned media/attention it got was definitely a more than worth it ROI.
Well waste or not, it’s not like we lost anything from it.
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« Reply #30 on: September 11, 2024, 02:07:31 PM »

While funny, this probably is a waste of funds. That being said Democrats are so rich with cash right now it isn’t a problem.

On the contrary, it was some of the best spent funds of the campaign so far.

Trump had to drive by those sorts of signs on the way to the debate.

This helped trigger him and helped make him into the deranged mess that he was on the debate stage.

You just have to realize that the ads were meant for Trump - not for voters in Philly as such (although it doesn't hurt for them either).
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« Reply #31 on: September 11, 2024, 02:11:21 PM »

The “concept of a plan” line from my interactions is more damaging than the eating pets line from last nights debate
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« Reply #32 on: September 11, 2024, 03:19:49 PM »

While funny, this probably is a waste of funds. That being said Democrats are so rich with cash right now it isn’t a problem.

On the contrary, it was some of the best spent funds of the campaign so far.

Trump had to drive by those sorts of signs on the way to the debate.

This helped trigger him and helped make him into the deranged mess that he was on the debate stage.

You just have to realize that the ads were meant for Trump - not for voters in Philly as such (although it doesn't hurt for them either).
…nevermind good point. Well that further reinforces my belief Harris has essentially run the best campaign realistically possible (when she loses it will NOT be her or her team’s fault)
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« Reply #33 on: September 11, 2024, 03:21:03 PM »

While funny, this probably is a waste of funds. That being said Democrats are so rich with cash right now it isn’t a problem.

On the contrary, it was some of the best spent funds of the campaign so far.

Trump had to drive by those sorts of signs on the way to the debate.

This helped trigger him and helped make him into the deranged mess that he was on the debate stage.

You just have to realize that the ads were meant for Trump - not for voters in Philly as such (although it doesn't hurt for them either).

They're also just good for social. When I passed them all, there were tons of people taking notice/taking pictures etc. So it helps to spread the message around on social media when people are sharing them, etc.
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« Reply #34 on: September 11, 2024, 03:46:51 PM »

One reason for the lack of Harris-specific signs.

When my parents picked up their signs the local Dem chapter said that no Harris/Walz signs had been shipped to them yet.

I think they'll be available mid-September?
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« Reply #35 on: September 11, 2024, 03:54:41 PM »

One reason for the lack of Harris-specific signs.

When my parents picked up their signs the local Dem chapter said that no Harris/Walz signs had been shipped to them yet.

I think they'll be available mid-September?

Yeah it seems they're trying to keep up with demand. I only just got my stickers in the mail today. I ordered them the day after Walz was announced lol
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« Reply #36 on: September 11, 2024, 04:45:51 PM »

One reason for the lack of Harris-specific signs.

When my parents picked up their signs the local Dem chapter said that no Harris/Walz signs had been shipped to them yet.

I think they'll be available mid-September?

Yeah it seems they're trying to keep up with demand. I only just got my stickers in the mail today. I ordered them the day after Walz was announced lol

I got my lawn sign last week but I went though the Minnesota DFL instead of Harris/Walz campaign. It's actually a "Minnesotans for Harris Walz" but I like that even better. I checked out Harris website and the S&H for a lawn sign was almost as much as the sign itself. I get paying a premium for the sign as a fundraising deal but paying nearly $20 in S&H was too steep for this cheap old guy (DFL charged $10 S&H).
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« Reply #37 on: September 12, 2024, 10:49:58 PM »

My anecdotes now have led me to believe that Trump voters have never been less enthused, Democrats are more excited to vote for Harris/Walz than any candidate since Obama in 2008, and anti-Trump voters are more excited to vote against Trump than they were even in 2020.

Also, anecdotally but this is the thread for it, the Trump-Trump-Harris voters are real, and the Trump & downballot Democrat voters are real too. I've only met a couple of them of them but that's more than I encountered back in 2020.
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« Reply #38 on: September 13, 2024, 07:45:13 AM »

The amount of Harris signs popping up in windows in my Philly neighborhood is legitimately shocking. Never seen anything political in most of the windows (at least right near me, I've seen some in other windows around the city walking around), but now I've already seen 3. All of the signs also looked like ones that we got from the first Harris/Walz rally here
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« Reply #39 on: September 13, 2024, 10:08:42 AM »

"They're eating the dogs!" looks like it's making a big impact, particularly for Republican-leaning friends of mine, who are previous Donald Trump voters.  Despite being very concerned about immigration ("The situation down there at the border is a f'n mess"), the crap with the eating of the pets is too much to take.  JD Vance, they're not fond of either.

In Boston, seeing quite a mix of Harris and Trump signs, and then a Trump truck driving around waving flags.

At least five Haitian-American and other Caribbean-American voters that I overheard talking, some of whom are voting for the first time, are disgusted over the dog-eating line, which is all over their social media.
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« Reply #40 on: September 13, 2024, 10:11:08 AM »

My anecdotes now have led me to believe that Trump voters have never been less enthused, Democrats are more excited to vote for Harris/Walz than any candidate since Obama in 2008, and anti-Trump voters are more excited to vote against Trump than they were even in 2020.

Also, anecdotally but this is the thread for it, the Trump-Trump-Harris voters are real, and the Trump & downballot Democrat voters are real too. I've only met a couple of them of them but that's more than I encountered back in 2020.

Do "Trump- Downballot Democrats" voters explain themselves by saying that "we like Trump and expect him to win, but we don't fully trust him"?


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« Reply #41 on: September 13, 2024, 10:21:52 AM »

I will say, anecdotal evidence is a rare bright spot for the Harris campaign online. Unlike in 2020, the comments of Instagram are at near parity in supporters of each candidate (although YouTube obviously remains ruby red)

Additionally, it does appear that the Harris rallies on snap maps make big waves equal to those of the Trump rally (and in yesterday’s case, greater) What this means for the race I don’t know, although I do believe such evidence can sometimes indicate polling errors, so maybe it is possible this cycle that there is relatively little polling error as opposed to 2020.
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« Reply #42 on: September 13, 2024, 10:54:53 AM »

The amount of Harris signs popping up in windows in my Philly neighborhood is legitimately shocking. Never seen anything political in most of the windows (at least right near me, I've seen some in other windows around the city walking around), but now I've already seen 3. All of the signs also looked like ones that we got from the first Harris/Walz rally here

They’re popping up all over DC as well
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« Reply #43 on: September 13, 2024, 10:59:00 AM »
« Edited: September 13, 2024, 11:08:57 AM by Matt Romney 2024 »

My anecdotes now have led me to believe that Trump voters have never been less enthused, Democrats are more excited to vote for Harris/Walz than any candidate since Obama in 2008, and anti-Trump voters are more excited to vote against Trump than they were even in 2020.

Also, anecdotally but this is the thread for it, the Trump-Trump-Harris voters are real, and the Trump & downballot Democrat voters are real too. I've only met a couple of them of them but that's more than I encountered back in 2020.

Do "Trump- Downballot Democrats" voters explain themselves by saying that "we like Trump and expect him to win, but we don't fully trust him"?




I think the typical perspective for a Trump-downballot Dem voter is more like “we trust Trump but don’t trust Republicans”,  i.e., people who like tariffs and trade wars and no taxes on overtime and kicking out immigrants and other populist stuff that they think Trump will deliver but realize other Republicans don’t support because they’re more business-oriented. They’re probably the most anti-establishment voters you can find (outside of third party voters) and very much economic left/social conservative/dovish. I don’t think any Dem presidential candidate stands much chance with those voters vs Trump but some may come back to the party presidentially once he is out of the picture.
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« Reply #44 on: September 13, 2024, 11:04:02 AM »

I will say, anecdotal evidence is a rare bright spot for the Harris campaign online. Unlike in 2020, the comments of Instagram are at near parity in supporters of each candidate (although YouTube obviously remains ruby red)

Additionally, it does appear that the Harris rallies on snap maps make big waves equal to those of the Trump rally (and in yesterday’s case, greater) What this means for the race I don’t know, although I do believe such evidence can sometimes indicate polling errors, so maybe it is possible this cycle that there is relatively little polling error as opposed to 2020.

I can see it. Harris is up by 3 at the end (so was Hillary) and up by 1-2 in the battlegrounds. Trump overperforms by 1 instead of 4 and so all the states barely budge.
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« Reply #45 on: September 13, 2024, 11:05:59 AM »

One reason for the lack of Harris-specific signs.

When my parents picked up their signs the local Dem chapter said that no Harris/Walz signs had been shipped to them yet.

I think they'll be available mid-September?

Yeah, it took us almost a month to get yard signs here in Sauk County... I think the local Dem party just ran with a local union printer for the first few because you needed to pay for them... now the free ones are starting to show up.
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« Reply #46 on: September 13, 2024, 01:10:56 PM »

A "friend" of mine from childhood reached out to me a few months back when he saw I was on Instagram. This person is an utter loser; he always had terrible grades, wore camouflage jackets and backpacks to school, played Magic: The Gathering religiously, constantly complained about his stepmom, showed zero initiative or effort at every job he ever had, idolized the military despite being reflexively antagonistic to all authority figures, and never took any personal responsibility for his academic or personal failings, choosing instead to blame his teachers and family members for conspiring against him. After many years of hoping he'd improve, I finally cut him loose after high school when he was sentenced to jail time for statutory rape and possession of child porn. Even during that period, he would ramble incoherently about how the judge, the police, and the girl's parents were in some kind of conspiracy to frame him for his mentally disabled brother's actions (while of course offering no evidence whatsoever for this theory). When I briefly talked to him recently, he went on a tirade about the criminality of the Democratic Party, all while glossing over the fact that he is a literal pedophile.

Take a wild guess as to who this person is supporting in this election. This scumbag is representative of basically every Trump supporter: a delusional failure who cannot cope with reality.

Your story lines up with something I've been noticing, which is that the median Trump supporter seems to have shifted from the deluded (likely evangelical) but otherwise successful boomer homeowner to the violently angry and anti-social young to middle-aged man. I feel like this could help Trump win, because most of the boomers haven't gone anywhere since 2016, other than some to the grave of course, but these psychotic incels and mass shooters are new GOP voters. On the other hand, I think it's possible that there is a growing silent majority backlash against these types of violent, creepy men. I've been noticing that backlash among previously apolitical or even conservative people, but I'm also seeing more and more school-shooter types than ever, and they all support Trump. I feel like it could go either way and I keep flipping back and forth on what I think will happen.

EDIT: To be clear, Trump voters have always been awful ever since 2016, but the most visible type that supports Trump has devolved over the past three or four years.
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« Reply #47 on: September 13, 2024, 01:25:33 PM »

A "friend" of mine from childhood reached out to me a few months back when he saw I was on Instagram. This person is an utter loser; he always had terrible grades, wore camouflage jackets and backpacks to school, played Magic: The Gathering religiously, constantly complained about his stepmom, showed zero initiative or effort at every job he ever had, idolized the military despite being reflexively antagonistic to all authority figures, and never took any personal responsibility for his academic or personal failings, choosing instead to blame his teachers and family members for conspiring against him. After many years of hoping he'd improve, I finally cut him loose after high school when he was sentenced to jail time for statutory rape and possession of child porn. Even during that period, he would ramble incoherently about how the judge, the police, and the girl's parents were in some kind of conspiracy to frame him for his mentally disabled brother's actions (while of course offering no evidence whatsoever for this theory). When I briefly talked to him recently, he went on a tirade about the criminality of the Democratic Party, all while glossing over the fact that he is a literal pedophile.

Take a wild guess as to who this person is supporting in this election. This scumbag is representative of basically every Trump supporter: a delusional failure who cannot cope with reality.

Your story lines up with something I've been noticing, which is that the median Trump supporter seems to have shifted from the deluded (likely evangelical) but otherwise successful boomer homeowner to the violently angry and anti-social young to middle-aged man. I feel like this could help Trump win, because most of the boomers haven't gone anywhere since 2016, other than some to the grave of course, but these psychotic incels and mass shooters are new GOP voters. On the other hand, I think it's possible that there is a growing silent majority backlash against these types of violent, creepy men. I've been noticing that backlash among previously apolitical or even conservative people, but I'm also seeing more and more school-shooter types than ever, and they all support Trump. I feel like it could go either way and I keep flipping back and forth on what I think will happen.

EDIT: To be clear, Trump voters have always been awful ever since 2016, but the most visible type that supports Trump has devolved over the past three or four years.

We cannot let these broken people lead our country.

That’s why we have to defeat Trump decisively this year.
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« Reply #48 on: September 13, 2024, 01:33:21 PM »

Another piece of anecdotal evidence I caught today. I overheard a bunch of high school seniors today (I work in a school) and they were saying “you have to vote for Kamala Harris, Donald Trump is crazy. He belongs in a psych ward. He thinks people eat dogs and cats”
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« Reply #49 on: September 13, 2024, 01:33:35 PM »

A "friend" of mine from childhood reached out to me a few months back when he saw I was on Instagram. This person is an utter loser; he always had terrible grades, wore camouflage jackets and backpacks to school, played Magic: The Gathering religiously, constantly complained about his stepmom, showed zero initiative or effort at every job he ever had, idolized the military despite being reflexively antagonistic to all authority figures, and never took any personal responsibility for his academic or personal failings, choosing instead to blame his teachers and family members for conspiring against him. After many years of hoping he'd improve, I finally cut him loose after high school when he was sentenced to jail time for statutory rape and possession of child porn. Even during that period, he would ramble incoherently about how the judge, the police, and the girl's parents were in some kind of conspiracy to frame him for his mentally disabled brother's actions (while of course offering no evidence whatsoever for this theory). When I briefly talked to him recently, he went on a tirade about the criminality of the Democratic Party, all while glossing over the fact that he is a literal pedophile.

Take a wild guess as to who this person is supporting in this election. This scumbag is representative of basically every Trump supporter: a delusional failure who cannot cope with reality.

Your story lines up with something I've been noticing, which is that the median Trump supporter seems to have shifted from the deluded (likely evangelical) but otherwise successful boomer homeowner to the violently angry and anti-social young to middle-aged man. I feel like this could help Trump win, because most of the boomers haven't gone anywhere since 2016, other than some to the grave of course, but these psychotic incels and mass shooters are new GOP voters. On the other hand, I think it's possible that there is a growing silent majority backlash against these types of violent, creepy men. I've been noticing that backlash among previously apolitical or even conservative people, but I'm also seeing more and more school-shooter types than ever, and they all support Trump. I feel like it could go either way and I keep flipping back and forth on what I think will happen.

EDIT: To be clear, Trump voters have always been awful ever since 2016, but the most visible type that supports Trump has devolved over the past three or four years.

In Chinese History, whenever something went badly, they'd blame the eunuchs... so this all makes sense.


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