People's Referendum Amendment [Failed]

[Јas]

I have a question:  What are the guidelines for a Region to pass a resolution, or is that set up by the Region - and how exactly so?

To my understanding, the regions each have their own ways and means of passing propositions/initiatives/resolutions/etc, derived from their own constitutions.

[Brandon H]

Aye

Don't forget that since the previous amendment passed, I have an amendment to change the time frame from 2 months to 1 month.

[Јas]

On this amendment, I would say that setting the bar at 4 regions is a very tall order. As it is, it will not be easy to get any resolution passed in within the given timeframe.

Setting the level at 4 regions would seem to me to mean that an almost certain majority of people would be against the legislation. If this amendment passes, I think serious consideration ought to be given to a further amendment declaring that the passage of a resolution in 4 regions within the timeframe would be sufficient in itself to overturn the legislation in question.

[MasterJedi]

I urge the Senate to reject this amendment (as in the whole thing, not just revisions).

[DownWithTheLeft]

On this amendment, I would say that setting the bar at 4 regions is a very tall order. As it is, it will not be easy to get any resolution passed in within the given timeframe.

Setting the level at 4 regions would seem to me to mean that an almost certain majority of people would be against the legislation. If this amendment passes, I think serious consideration ought to be given to a further amendment declaring that the passage of a resolution in 4 regions within the timeframe would be sufficient in itself to overturn the legislation in question.

Overturning a law should not be easy, that is the point of this amendment

[Јas]

On this amendment, I would say that setting the bar at 4 regions is a very tall order. As it is, it will not be easy to get any resolution passed in within the given timeframe.

Setting the level at 4 regions would seem to me to mean that an almost certain majority of people would be against the legislation. If this amendment passes, I think serious consideration ought to be given to a further amendment declaring that the passage of a resolution in 4 regions within the timeframe would be sufficient in itself to overturn the legislation in question.

Overturning a law should not be easy, that is the point of this amendment

It should not be easy and I defy anyone to say that getting a resolution passed in 3 regions and then suceeding in a national referendum would be an easy task.

My point is that increasing the requirement to 4 regions, largely renders the need for a subsequent referendum redundant.

[Ebowed]

Nay.

[Hatman 🍁]

Aye

[Keystone Phil]

Nay

[minionofmidas]

Nay.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

Nay

[Sam Spade]

Oh, and BrandonH's amendment will be coming up directly after this one (sorry about missing it the first time)

[Sam Spade]

This amendment is tied 4-4, with PBrunsel and Rob not voting (as of yet)

[PBrunsel]

I vote nay to the amendment.

[Sam Spade]

With 4 votes in favor, 5 against and 1 not voting, the amendment fails.


Just as an personal aside, this pretty much guarantees a vote for me against the amendment.

[Sam Spade]

We are now voting on the following amendment:

If this amendment passes, I would like to propose an amendment changing the time for the regions to pass the resolution from 2 months to 1 month.

Whence legislation becomes officially enacted, a national referendum shall be held on the legislation whensoever 3 regions pass resolutions calling for such a referendum within 1 months of the passage of said legislation.

Please vote Aye, Nay or Abstain.


Aye.

[minionofmidas]

Nay

[Јas]

I would recommend a Nay vote on this amendment simply because certain regions (such as the Midwest) do not hold monthly ballots. Requiring a one month time limit would therefore mean that even trying to pass a resolution in certain regions would be impossible due to existing regional systems for passing such resolutions.

[Keystone Phil]

Nay

[Ebowed]

Nay

[Hatman 🍁]

I'll take your word for it Jas,

Nay

[Јas]

I'll take your word for it Jas,

I've always thought this game would be simpler if everyone just did what I said

[Filuwaúrdjan]

Nay

[Sam Spade]

With 1 vote in favor and 5 against, the amendment has failed.

If there are any more amendments - please post now, otherwise I'm bringing this thing towards cloture.

[Sam Spade]

We are now voting on final passage of the following legislation:

People’s Referendum Amendment

Article 1, Section 3, Clause 5 of the Atlasian Constitution shall be created to read as follows:

Whence legislation becomes officially enacted, a national referendum shall be held on the legislation whensoever 3 regions pass resolutions calling for such a referendum within 2 months of the passage of said legislation.

When the Secretary of Forum Affairs recieves notification from at least 3 Governors that such resolutions have been passed, the Secretary shall organise a special referendum on the legislation on the next weekend falling not less than 4 days from the date on which he verified that the above requirements were met.

The question put to the people shall be a simple approval or disapproval of the legislation. A simple majority of the people voting against the legislation shall render it null and void.

Please vote Aye, Nay or Abstain.


Nay.