israel, the wall, and the joke that is the 'world court'

[cwelsch]

1) World opinion is clearly anti-Semitic at many times, and the UN is clearly biased in its results against Israel.

2) The ICJ (sometimes called world court, but it's not) was correct in this ruling, if we assume that the borders of Israel end at the Green Line (the West Bank border).  It's effectively a land grab and it violates the freedom of movement of those around it.

3) The VAST MAJORITY OF THE FENCE is perfectly legal and was not even covered in this ICJ ruling.  This is something over 95% of the security fence, because it's within the boundaries of the Green Line.  This is also protected by the national right to self-defense: perhaps the very first principles of all international legal traditions.


And let's not forget that the wall has been extremely effective in holding back terrorist attacks and suicide bombings in Israel.

[cwelsch]

There is no need for de facto or de jure debates about borders.  All of that land is Israeli for the time being, and they can build whatever they want wherever they want.

This is not to say that I find the current state of affairs perfectly suitable, but there is no border between Israel and "Palestine" because there is no country called Palestine.

If all that land is Israeli, then all those people should be allowed to vote for the Knesset.

I think he got it.  If they're Israeli then they have the right to vote and all the other rights of Israeli citizens.  If they're not then they don't have to be given voting rights.