Possible Biden withdrawal megathread (please use for all related news/speculation)

[Ferguson97]

This might be a cope, but I actually do think Democrats’ willingness to push Biden out is a sign of a healthy party, especially in contrast to the GOP completely uniting behind a convicted criminal who tried to overturn an election.

[randomusername]

Maybe it's just me but frankly at the end of the day, most people's concern is really just Biden. So outside of a few people I don't think ultimately a large portion will care that she's "behind handed the nomination" given she is the VP. I figure most people will be like, yeah, that makes sense.

That's pretty true among Democrats, but a lot less true among swing voters. For swing voters, it would undercut the Republican smear that Harris is supposedly a "DEI candidate" (she is not). The more she appears to earn her keep, the more credible she will be to those swing voters.

I don't believe swing voters think she's a "DEI candidate" to begin with. I honestly don't think swing voters care that much about her "being handed" it. I think they just want a Dem whose younger and not Biden.

I mean, what do we call a "DEI" candidate? Didn't Biden explicitly say he would only hire a black woman as VP?

That's not true. He said he'd pick a black woman for the Supreme Court and was iffy about VP. He did commit to it being a woman. Only after George Floyd did the pressure of it being a black woman came

https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/15/politics/joe-biden-woman-vice-president/index.html

https://www.npr.org/2020/06/12/875000650/pressure-grows-on-joe-biden-to-pick-a-black-woman-as-his-running-mate

Yep, wanted to write that as well, but forgot about it.

I actually wrote it earlier but for some reason my comment didn't submit so I had to re-submit it

[wbrocks67]

This might be a cope, but I actually do think Democrats’ willingness to push Biden out is a sign of a healthy party, especially in contrast to the GOP completely uniting behind a convicted criminal who tried to overturn an election.

And yet the press will portray it as Republicans are actually healthy bc they instantly unified amongst an insurrectionist and felon

[Matty]

https://twitter.com/rpyers/status/1813987331029778814

[Zohranism is OUR future]

Just want it to be said that I still find this entire situation incredibly sad from the POV of Joe Biden. I feel for him on a human level here, considerably.

It would have been significantly easier on him if he had chosen to step aside after the midterms in 2022, or early 2023, or late 2023, or early 2024, or immediately after the debate. It's not like the concerns about his age are new; there was a sense that he would only be a 1 term President before he even won in 2020. I think that was probably a motivator for some people to vote for him, in fact. That he would only be a transitional president. He alone had the power to make this end much sooner. The fact that he continues to drag it out is a sign of hubris.

I empathize with the feeling that he is being "forced" out, but it's not like it's unwarranted and it's not like Democrats have repeatedly made it clear that it has nothing to do with the job he's done as President. It is abundantly clear that the longer this drags out, the more hostile the rhetoric will become about him (and from him for that matter). The comments towards Rep. Crow earlier this week just showed that he's throwing a tantrum, which is unbecoming of someone who wants to serve as President.

Jason Crow is my home congressman (yes I live in the DC area but I still connect with my hometown strongly) and I truly was p**sed reading that. Jason Crow is a profile of encourage and a genuinely good guy and for his military service to be outright mocked by a senile raisin masquerading as a president was actually maddening. At that moment, I felt disgusted with Biden tbh and wanted him out beyond political reasons.

[CookieDamage]

I must say, since Biden seems likely to go, I think there will be a big plunge for the new nominee in polling, up to 5%-less people will know them, they won't be an incumbent, and many of the rabid Bidenites won't be happy their vote got nullified (which Trump will use against the new nominee). The new candidate will need to make up that deficit. Some will be easy, some not so much.

95% of Biden primary votes won't care if he's replaced. I am one of them who voted for him this year. 5% will pretend to be mad but they are also the "vote blue no matter who" crowd so their bluff will be called.

[LostInOhio]

https://twitter.com/rpyers/status/1813987331029778814

And yet there are tons of blueMAGA people on Twitter saying “we’ll do it without them! We don’t need those elites!” I have no idea why they are so devoted to the oldest and most boring dude ever but okay then.

Also pretending this is because of “one bad debate” is so disingenuous that it’s actually quite frustrating. 

[Consuming is good, it's what we're made for]

This might be a cope, but I actually do think Democrats’ willingness to push Biden out is a sign of a healthy party, especially in contrast to the GOP completely uniting behind a convicted criminal who tried to overturn an election.

100%, but this has also shone a disturbing light on how many Democrats are just Blue MAGA. The mental gymnastics to arrive at the conclusion that supporting Harris over Biden is actually racist, sexist, homophobic, etc have been gold medal worthy.

Also, let's be honest...the only reason Democrats are pushing Biden out at all is because he's starting to jeopardize normally Safe Dem seats and the donors are panicking. They would be more than happy to ignore the polls if it was just WI/PA/MI/NV/AZ. I almost think that Schiff and Jeffries speaking up has meant more than Brown and Tester doing so.

[I love MAGA, don’t send me to the camps]

https://twitter.com/rpyers/status/1813987331029778814

Oof. Money talks, Joey walks.

[Can't Bear]

https://twitter.com/rpyers/status/1813987331029778814

Dark money want Corporate Harris! 

[Compuzled_One]

I must say, since Biden seems likely to go, I think there will be a big plunge for the new nominee in polling, up to 5%-less people will know them, they won't be an incumbent, and many of the rabid Bidenites won't be happy their vote got nullified (which Trump will use against the new nominee). The new candidate will need to make up that deficit. Some will be easy, some not so much.

95% of Biden primary votes won't care if he's replaced. I am one of them who voted for him this year. 5% will pretend to be mad but they are also the "vote blue no matter who" crowd so their bluff will be called.

I mean, they'll still say they won't care, and it'll be a volatile situation where they can't be alienated any further so that they hang on to the ticket, especially with how rabid some were.

[Compuzled_One]

I must say, since Biden seems likely to go, I think there will be a big plunge for the new nominee in polling, up to 5%-less people will know them, they won't be an incumbent, and many of the rabid Bidenites won't be happy their vote got nullified (which Trump will use against the new nominee). The new candidate will need to make up that deficit. Some will be easy, some not so much.

I don't really believe this that much, but the point of it all is that in the scenario Biden drops out, Dems need to unify behind that person right away. There can't be any equivocation.

Indeed. As long as it isn't someone completely asinine (thankfully, doesn't seem plausible at all), lockstep.

[Can't Bear]

Just want it to be said that I still find this entire situation incredibly sad from the POV of Joe Biden. I feel for him on a human level here, considerably.

Me, too, but a lot of this is self-inflicting. He should stick with being one-term Pres as he promised.

Now, I happens to dislike current Dem party, so I'm quite happy that he put them into lose-lose situation. And truly surprised, that people here are so overly optimistic about Harris

I'm not optimistic. I hope Beshear somehow gets it. But I believe she has it in her to pull out a win.

Well, we'll see soon enough. Personally, I think, she isn't the best candidate for swing states. And generally I think, it will be a tough race for whoever is the nominee. That's partly, why there are few "contenders" imo.

[Anti-Penguin Tariff Voter]

Just want it to be said that I still find this entire situation incredibly sad from the POV of Joe Biden. I feel for him on a human level here, considerably.

Considering these;

In 2016 his grief and the push for Hillary made him decide to not run
In 2020 he was clearly reluctant to run but was pushed for my the party
In 2024 he was push out for being to old

It’s really frustrating and kinda sad story

[BlueSwan]

This might be a cope, but I actually do think Democrats’ willingness to push Biden out is a sign of a healthy party, especially in contrast to the GOP completely uniting behind a convicted criminal who tried to overturn an election.

100%, but this has also shone a disturbing light on how many Democrats are just Blue MAGA. The mental gymnastics to arrive at the conclusion that supporting Harris over Biden is actually racist, sexist, homophobic, etc have been gold medal worthy.

Also, let's be honest...the only reason Democrats are pushing Biden out at all is because he's starting to jeopardize normally Safe Dem seats and the donors are panicking. They would be more than happy to ignore the polls if it was just WI/PA/MI/NV/AZ. I almost think that Schiff and Jeffries speaking up has meant more than Brown and Tester doing so.

Total nonsense. The presidency is way more important here.

[Compuzled_One]

Just want it to be said that I still find this entire situation incredibly sad from the POV of Joe Biden. I feel for him on a human level here, considerably.

Me, too, but a lot of this is self-inflicting. He should stick with being one-term Pres as he promised.

Now, I happens to dislike current Dem party, so I'm quite happy that he put them into lose-lose situation. And truly surprised, that people here are so overly optimistic about Harris

I'm not optimistic. I hope Beshear somehow gets it. But I believe she has it in her to pull out a win.

Well, we'll see soon enough. Personally, I think, she isn't the best candidate for swing states. And generally I think, it will be a tough race for whoever is the nominee. That's why there are few "contenders".

I actually agree on all your points-Beshear is likely to be the best in this tough battle (which he knows a thing or two about).

Side note, I keep thinking about the song "Olive Branch" whenever I think of the current situation on the Dem side.

[Duke 🇺🇸]

I'm thinking it may happen this weekend. If the money is drying up, he has no choice.

[Fmr. Gov. NickG]

I must say, since Biden seems likely to go, I think there will be a big plunge for the new nominee in polling, up to 5%-less people will know them, they won't be an incumbent, and many of the rabid Bidenites won't be happy their vote got nullified (which Trump will use against the new nominee). The new candidate will need to make up that deficit. Some will be easy, some not so much.

There are no "rabid Bidenites" except perhaps for people who work for the administration.
Have you met a single person since the debate who plans to vote for Biden but has said they won't vote Democratic if he withdraws?

[riceowl]

I must say, since Biden seems likely to go, I think there will be a big plunge for the new nominee in polling, up to 5%-less people will know them, they won't be an incumbent, and many of the rabid Bidenites won't be happy their vote got nullified (which Trump will use against the new nominee). The new candidate will need to make up that deficit. Some will be easy, some not so much.

There are no "rabid Bidenites" except perhaps for people who work for the administration.
Have you met a single person since the debate who plans to vote for Biden but has said they won't vote Democratic if he withdraws?

Beat me to it. Was just going to ask "Who?"

[Compuzled_One]

I must say, since Biden seems likely to go, I think there will be a big plunge for the new nominee in polling, up to 5%-less people will know them, they won't be an incumbent, and many of the rabid Bidenites won't be happy their vote got nullified (which Trump will use against the new nominee). The new candidate will need to make up that deficit. Some will be easy, some not so much.

There are no "rabid Bidenites" except perhaps for people who work for the administration.
Have you met a single person since the debate who plans to vote for Biden but has said they won't vote Democratic if he withdraws?

There's a good dozen people online that I've seen who think the fake news elite media and pollsters want to get him or whatever. Many of them will see the new nominee as an agent and at least be extremely ambivalent. This'd be a slightly less bad version of what Nikki Haley would be facing if she got nominated.

[CookieDamage]

I must say, since Biden seems likely to go, I think there will be a big plunge for the new nominee in polling, up to 5%-less people will know them, they won't be an incumbent, and many of the rabid Bidenites won't be happy their vote got nullified (which Trump will use against the new nominee). The new candidate will need to make up that deficit. Some will be easy, some not so much.

There are no "rabid Bidenites" except perhaps for people who work for the administration.
Have you met a single person since the debate who plans to vote for Biden but has said they won't vote Democratic if he withdraws?

There's a good dozen people online that I've seen who think the fake news elite media and pollsters want to get him or whatever. Many of them will see the new nominee as an agent and at least be extremely ambivalent. This'd be a slightly less bad version of what Nikki Haley would be facing if she got nominated.

They are loopy and don't represent even a fraction of the Dem electorate.

[Holmes]

Money does talk, unfortunately. I actually remember that was a big reason Harris dropped out of the primaries in December 2019, ironically enough.

[Compuzled_One]

I must say, since Biden seems likely to go, I think there will be a big plunge for the new nominee in polling, up to 5%-less people will know them, they won't be an incumbent, and many of the rabid Bidenites won't be happy their vote got nullified (which Trump will use against the new nominee). The new candidate will need to make up that deficit. Some will be easy, some not so much.

There are no "rabid Bidenites" except perhaps for people who work for the administration.
Have you met a single person since the debate who plans to vote for Biden but has said they won't vote Democratic if he withdraws?

There's a good dozen people online that I've seen who think the fake news elite media and pollsters want to get him or whatever. Many of them will see the new nominee as an agent and at least be extremely ambivalent. This'd be a slightly less bad version of what Nikki Haley would be facing if she got nominated.

They are loopy and don't represent even a fraction of the Dem electorate.

I don't disagree with the loopy thing, but I wouldn't want to get cocky about that last part when the election is already going badly.

[Can't Bear]

I must say, since Biden seems likely to go, I think there will be a big plunge for the new nominee in polling, up to 5%-less people will know them, they won't be an incumbent, and many of the rabid Bidenites won't be happy their vote got nullified (which Trump will use against the new nominee). The new candidate will need to make up that deficit. Some will be easy, some not so much.

There are no "rabid Bidenites" except perhaps for people who work for the administration.
Have you met a single person since the debate who plans to vote for Biden but has said they won't vote Democratic if he withdraws?

So you essentially saying that candidate doesn't matter, that nothing really matters, cause there is not "a single person since the debate who plans to vote for Biden but has said they won't vote Democratic if he withdraws"?

Of course, there are such voters. Now, these will likely cancel out (and more!) by the voters who left because of mental unfitness, but they do exist.

[GeorgiaModerate]

I must say, since Biden seems likely to go, I think there will be a big plunge for the new nominee in polling, up to 5%-less people will know them, they won't be an incumbent, and many of the rabid Bidenites won't be happy their vote got nullified (which Trump will use against the new nominee). The new candidate will need to make up that deficit. Some will be easy, some not so much.

There are no "rabid Bidenites" except perhaps for people who work for the administration.
Have you met a single person since the debate who plans to vote for Biden but has said they won't vote Democratic if he withdraws?

There's a good dozen people online that I've seen who think the fake news elite media and pollsters want to get him or whatever. Many of them will see the new nominee as an agent and at least be extremely ambivalent. This'd be a slightly less bad version of what Nikki Haley would be facing if she got nominated.

I've seen some of them too, but I'm wondering if they'll switch gears if Biden drops out and give Harris a strong endorsement.