6/25 Primaries Discussion (CO, UT, NY)

[Devils30]

Latimer likely wins this thing by 25-30% if Bowman was a white progressive rather than an African-American, just saying. He probably did win some otherwise moderate black Bronx voters who tend to be very friendly to African-American incumbents in general.

[OSR stands with Israel]

NYT is now agreeing with DDHQ. Holy cow.

This is where the "Bowman is a f**king idiot" part comes in. Two things can be true - you can recognize Bowman is an idiot, anti-Semite, and terrible campaigner whose loss was avoidable, and you can believe that Latimer's corruption and outright defense of sexual assault is as evil and as bad as Bowman.

Then again when you're Alben Barkley, S019, or OSR and you think calling someone a Nazi is okay because they disagree with the merits of the candidate you support you probably have a different perspective on life.

You literally said Latimer winning was equivalent to rape winning so stop acting like the victim here

[Anti Democrat Democrat Club]

Goldman had as rival a guy running as the 'ceasefire now candidate' who did OK in Brooklyn, winming some precints in Sunset Park and doing way better than Dolan.

Yeah honestly kinda wild. I still think Goldman wins but if the left can get Goldman to 65% by gooning over a ceasefire then this is definitely possible.

[Anti Democrat Democrat Club]

NYT is now agreeing with DDHQ. Holy cow.

This is where the "Bowman is a f**king idiot" part comes in. Two things can be true - you can recognize Bowman is an idiot, anti-Semite, and terrible campaigner whose loss was avoidable, and you can believe that Latimer's corruption and outright defense of sexual assault is as evil and as bad as Bowman.

Then again when you're Alben Barkley, S019, or OSR and you think calling someone a Nazi is okay because they disagree with the merits of the candidate you support you probably have a different perspective on life.

You literally said Latimer winning was equivalent to rape winning so stop acting like the victim here

Yes. George Latimer defended Cuomo being a serial sex pest. This is not a "deranged conspiracy theory" or whatever - this is the truth.

[Spectator]

Latimer likely wins this thing by 25-30% if Bowman was a white progressive rather than an African-American, just saying. He probably did win some otherwise moderate black Bronx voters who tend to be very friendly to African-American incumbents in general.

Probably. Cori Bush doesn’t have that comparative advantage. MN-05 isn’t as black as MO-01 but I wonder if Samuels being black helped him in 2022.

[OSR stands with Israel]

NYT is now agreeing with DDHQ. Holy cow.

This is where the "Bowman is a f**king idiot" part comes in. Two things can be true - you can recognize Bowman is an idiot, anti-Semite, and terrible campaigner whose loss was avoidable, and you can believe that Latimer's corruption and outright defense of sexual assault is as evil and as bad as Bowman.

Then again when you're Alben Barkley, S019, or OSR and you think calling someone a Nazi is okay because they disagree with the merits of the candidate you support you probably have a different perspective on life.

You literally said Latimer winning was equivalent to rape winning so stop acting like the victim here

Yes. George Latimer defended Cuomo being a serial sex pest. This is not a "deranged conspiracy theory" or whatever - this is the truth.

Once again, beep boop has no defense for looking the other way so he has resorted to whataboutery.

And Bowman is a Hamas apologist, a group which is basically the Islamic version of Nazism . Why the heck are you so triggered by someone like him losing.

Bowman isn’t just the typical pro Palestinian SJW but someone who literally has been An apologist for Hamas .


Anyway I didn’t rec that post cause it was directed at you but cause it was directed at Bowman

[Devils30]

Latimer likely wins this thing by 25-30% if Bowman was a white progressive rather than an African-American, just saying. He probably did win some otherwise moderate black Bronx voters who tend to be very friendly to African-American incumbents in general.

Probably. Cori Bush doesn’t have that comparative advantage. MN-05 isn’t as black as MO-01 but I wonder if Samuels being black helped him in 2022.

AIPAC should target MN-5, Omar barely won against a nothing in '22 and times are less friendly for leftists.

Bush is just a moron, her bitching about needing security while saying we need to defund the police was just uhhh dumb.

[Anti Democrat Democrat Club]

I'm not getting into a dick-measuring contest about which person is more bigoted. I just think bigotry against Muslims or black purple is as bad as anti-Semitism and find it hilarious that certain concern trolls are suddenly looking to whitewash Latimer to own the left.

But once again, people like freethinkingindy, OSR, and Green Line can't reconcile with Latimer's behavior and know they're wrong so they personally attack me when I point this out.

[Unbeatable Titan Susan Collins]

I'm not getting into a dick-measuring contest about which person is more bigoted.

Because it is no contest. Bowman is a Hamas apologist who denied the rapes of October 7.

Your whataboutism on Latimer is telling.

[Dr. MB]

Very online Israelis followed this election relatively closely. And they are pretty hyped. Even Bibi haters.

Makes sense given the fact that Bowman is a vile antisemite. 

What is your definition of vile antisemitism?

[Bernie Derangement Syndrome Haver]

Holy sh-t. My mom came into my room to bring me a plate of chicken nuggets and I literally screamed at her and hit the plate of chicken nuggets out of her hand. She started yelling and swearing at me and I slammed the door on her. I'm so distressed right now I don't know what to do. I didn't mean to do that to my mom but I'm literally in shock from the results tonight. I feel like I'm going to explode. Why the f-king f-k is he losing? This can't be happening. I'm having a f-king breakdown. I don't want to believe the world is so corrupt. I want a future to believe in. I want Bowman to be Congressman and fix this broken country. I cannot f-king deal with this right now. It wasn't supposed to be like this, I thought he was polling well in New York? This is so f-ked.

You literally were a Republican last year and will be in 2028. You don't get to talk about the right candidate in this race.

Lol what? I've never been a Republican

For whatever reason I had you confused with some other actual Republican with a similar name.

Either way, point stands. You'll be full GOP soon enough. You've done enough wishcasting for them here.

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[Dr. MB]

This primary is a good example of what would happen if the Dems became a national party in the squad's image. You'd have West Virginia like rightward swings in heavily Jewish suburbs and Howard County, Iowa swings in normal white college suburbs. In other words, the Dem coalition is completely unsustainable as a squad/Elizabeth Warren party and these idiots in Democratic administrations who hire human clowns like Tyler Cherry need to be fired immediately.

The only answer is a mass party of the working class based on socialist theory and praxis. The American people as they stand are not ready for that.

[Dr. MB]

This primary is a good example of what would happen if the Dems became a national party in the squad's image. You'd have West Virginia like rightward swings in heavily Jewish suburbs and Howard County, Iowa swings in normal white college suburbs. In other words, the Dem coalition is completely unsustainable as a squad/Elizabeth Warren party and these idiots in Democratic administrations who hire human clowns like Tyler Cherry need to be fired immediately.

Correct. Progressive politics is a dead end road for this country. Either we reject them; or we lose.

What does winning mean? The neoliberal status quo is not winning. Minuscule change while maintaining the broader system in place is not winning. Winning the election is only the first step towards actually winning true power.

[Dr. MB]

NYT is now agreeing with DDHQ. Holy cow.

This is where the "Bowman is a f**king idiot" part comes in. Two things can be true - you can recognize Bowman is an idiot, anti-Semite, and terrible campaigner whose loss was avoidable, and you can believe that Latimer's corruption and outright defense of sexual assault is as evil and as bad as Bowman.

Then again when you're Alben Barkley, S019, or OSR and you think calling someone a Nazi is okay because they disagree with the merits of the candidate you support you probably have a different perspective on life.

You're whining so much.  More than I did when Lipinski lost.  And he wasn't a Nazi.

Neither is Bowman!

[Dr. MB]

Not a good night for the MAGA wing outside of Boebert and Tim Kennedy, both of whom only won because of the establishment vote being split. Seeing Burns and Williams fail was especially satisfying.

Don't forget Latimer!

[Tekken_Guy]

Not a good night for the MAGA wing outside of Boebert and Tim Kennedy, both of whom only won because of the establishment vote being split. Seeing Burns and Williams fail was especially satisfying.

Don't forget Latimer!

Him too, but he was expected.

[Unbeatable Titan Susan Collins]

Very online Israelis followed this election relatively closely. And they are pretty hyped. Even Bibi haters.

Makes sense given the fact that Bowman is a vile antisemite. 

What is your definition of vile antisemitism?

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/house/2939960/squad-member-bowman-backtracks-comment-calling-accounts-of-rape-in-israel-on-oct-7-propaganda/

Bowman called the rapes that too place on October 7th as "propaganda"

[Unbeatable Titan Susan Collins]

NYT is now agreeing with DDHQ. Holy cow.

This is where the "Bowman is a f**king idiot" part comes in. Two things can be true - you can recognize Bowman is an idiot, anti-Semite, and terrible campaigner whose loss was avoidable, and you can believe that Latimer's corruption and outright defense of sexual assault is as evil and as bad as Bowman.

Then again when you're Alben Barkley, S019, or OSR and you think calling someone a Nazi is okay because they disagree with the merits of the candidate you support you probably have a different perspective on life.

You're whining so much.  More than I did when Lipinski lost.  And he wasn't a Nazi.

Neither is Bowman!

If it walks like a duck

[Anti Democrat Democrat Club]

I'm not getting into a dick-measuring contest about which person is more bigoted.

Because it is no contest. Bowman is a Hamas apologist who denied the rapes of October 7.

Your whataboutism on Latimer is telling.

This collective sh*tfit from the Latimer crew started because I brought up his support for Cuomo! You are the one doing the whataboutism here, not me.

And your whataboutism says a hell of a lot more about you than it does about me.

[Unbeatable Titan Susan Collins]

I'm not getting into a dick-measuring contest about which person is more bigoted.

Because it is no contest. Bowman is a Hamas apologist who denied the rapes of October 7.

Your whataboutism on Latimer is telling.

This collective sh*tfit from the Latimer crew started because I brought up his support for Cuomo! You are the one doing the whataboutism here, not me.

And your whataboutism says a hell of a lot more about you than it does about me.

You started crying about the Hamas apologist losing long before that.

Also yeah I don't like Cuomo but given the choice between him or Hamas, there is not even a choice. Corrupt scumbag over terrorist every time.

[Anti Democrat Democrat Club]

That's the only reason why Hamas even got brought into the discussion. Because I brought up (correctly!) that George Latimer had not recanted his support for Andrew Cuomo, who is known for serially sexually assaulting women (unlike Bowman).

I'll make sure to tell my friend to hold his girlfriend a little closer next time he's in Maine.

[smoltchanov]

Rare case, where i am almost absolutely satisfied:

1. Bowman out (i am surely not a fan of "Squad")

2. Relatively less crazy Republicans won in Colorado, Utah and even SC-3. Yes, they are surely a strong conservatives, but - still more normal then their opponents. Right now people like Phil Scott are the upper limit of what one could expect from Republican party (and even them - in Vermont only and, essentially, Scott is "a relic of the past" even there)....

[The Mikado]

Can I just say that it's fantastic that we're going to literally have a "Congressman Crank (R-CO)?" That's something out of a hack movie script.

[Green Line]

Its been a beautiful night for moderate anti-fascists.  Bowman needs to be the first of many.  Jews will be safe in this country again.

[wnwnwn]

Goldman had as rival a guy running as the 'ceasefire now candidate' who did OK in Brooklyn, winming some precints in Sunset Park and doing way better than Dolan.

Well, the rival (Evan Hutchison) has only got 23%, but there was a third rival (Bruno Grandsard) who got 10%. Grandsard seems somehow to the left of Goldman but more of areformist type than a DSA type. Grandsard run on an actual platform,  Hutchison run on 'PERMANENT CEASEFIRE NOW!, that's all'. Between the two, 33%, nearly double Dolan (17%).