Melenchon vs Le Pen. Who do you vote for?

[lfromnj]

Le pen for me. Both suck.

[OSR stands with Israel]

Le Pen clearly

[Don't Tread on Me]

Le Pen

[Jumped off the American Sinking Ship]

Melenchon but not happily.

[Farmlands]

Sit out of the election. Gun to my head, Le Pen. She's somewhat less pro-Putin and anti-NATO than he is.

[Mr. Smith]

Melenchon

[Voice of low info America]

Panzergirl, obviously.

[The '90s' Last Champion]

Both of these candidates are Putinists and conspiracy theory-happy, there’s a good chance I just wouldn’t vote. Maybe in the end I would end up voting for whoever was behind to make the winner’s mandate look more narrow. I would definitely vote in the legislatives to deprive the winner of a legislative majority.

[MyLifeIsYours 🇵🇸 🇨🇩 🇸🇩]

Melenchon. He should have been the head of state in France.

[Sic Semper Fascistis]

Not the fascist. Simple as.

[President Johnson]

Sit out of the election. Gun to my head, Le Pen. She's somewhat less pro-Putin and anti-NATO than he is.

Exactly this.

[buritobr]

This is a remake of a bad movie.

In 2018 in Brazil, many "moderate" conservatives who "didn't agree" with Jair Bolsonaro's racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic statements considered him the lesser of the evils in comparison to the Workers's Party (PT)

[Sic Semper Fascistis]

This is a remake of a bad movie.

In 2018 in Brazil, many "moderate" conservatives who "didn't agree" with Jair Bolsonaro's racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic statements considered him the lesser of the evils in comparison to the Workers's Party (PT)

Yep, capital always shows its true face when it's time to choose between fascism and a robust social democratic agenda. This is how every fascist has ever come to power: with the grudging blessing of the owning class desperate to stop "the reds".

[lfromnj]

Then stop supporting reds and support liberals . Capital wants to grow overall. At least Le Pen may allow preservation while the left will be wholesale plunder.

[DaleCooper]

Then stop supporting reds and support liberals .

Yeah, I was about to say, how much longer can they blame the voters here? Everybody knows that the voters prefer the far right to the far left, so why are these people (who supposedly know better) so eager to go down with the ship? They'd rather lose to a fascist while giving a platform to their lefty BS than just tell the voters what they want to hear.

I hope that we can finally put to bed this endless lie that the left is standing up to fascism or whatever they claim to do because it's a joke and it always has been.

[Progressive Pessimist]

Melenchon but not happily.

[YE]

Melenchon but not happily.

[🥥🌴]

Melenchon easily.

[Stand With Israel. Crush Hamas]

I mean, all indications are that she would be marginally less pro-Putin and antisemitic than he would be, screwed up as it is.

[Dr. MB]

scratch a liberal...

[Alcibiades]

Wow, this is a depressing thread. Yes, Mélenchon is awful on Ukraine (though I doubt that when it comes down to it, Le Pen is any better there either) and has said some extremely suspect things about Jews (but, again, as far as Le Pen compares there, you might, uh, want to look at what the not exactly entirely repudiated history of her party is), but why no mention of the fact that, for instance, Le Pen is infinitely more Islamophobic, and, in general, racist, than him? Does that simply not weigh as a consideration?

Yeah, I was about to say, how much longer can they blame the voters here? Everybody knows that the voters prefer the far right to the far left, so why are these people (who supposedly know better) so eager to go down with the ship? They'd rather lose to a fascist while giving a platform to their lefty BS than just tell the voters what they want to hear.

I hope that we can finally put to bed this endless lie that the left is standing up to fascism or whatever they claim to do because it's a joke and it always has been.

I’m not sure what this is supposed to mean, or at whom it is supposed to be directed. I, like most left-leaning posters here, think Mélenchon is an awful egomaniac and a massive drag on the French left who should bugger off for the good of the country. I really wish there was a more acceptable social democrat or socialist who could defeat Macron and Le Pen.

But is the implication that the left should simply step aside for Macron, or that he is somehow less responsible for the rise of the RN? That is absurd. The guy has been the President of the Republic for the last seven years, and in that time has consciously, deliberately, sought to discredit all other opposition to the far right, equating the RN with the centre left, and portraying himself as the only alternative; all the while, pursuing a horrendous programme of attacks on the welfare state and social solidarity which has only fuelled support for the RN amongst those justifiably angry at how they’ve been hurt by those policies. Frankly, it’s extremely dubious at this point whether he can even be described as a ‘liberal’.

Fundamentally, in the case of France, it is not an ‘endless lie that the left is standing up to fascism’; certainly not everyone on the French left is, but the only people who are are on the left. The ‘centre’, for all the reasons above, very much is not. More broadly, that statement of yours quoted is frankly borderline offensive when it’s always socialists, social democrats and communists who are the first ones who end up in the camps when fascists take power.

[25 Abril/Aprile Sempre!]

Then stop supporting reds and support liberals .

Yeah, I was about to say, how much longer can they blame the voters here? Everybody knows that the voters prefer the far right to the far left, so why are these people (who supposedly know better) so eager to go down with the ship? They'd rather lose to a fascist while giving a platform to their lefty BS than just tell the voters what they want to hear.

I hope that we can finally put to bed this endless lie that the left is standing up to fascism or whatever they claim to do because it's a joke and it always has been.

Hey Mr. Know-it-all, maybe you should not cast such summary jugments - not even sure on whom - based on an Atlas poll for a hypothetical runoff (that is very unlikely to happen) of an election that will take place three years from now. Especially in the immediate aftermath of an actual election where "the far left" had a modest result and got fewer votes than the moderate left (as did "the liberals" by the way). Your post demonstrates no interest whatsoever in the topic of the discussion, French politics.

[インターネット掲示板ユーザー Punxsutawney Phil]

Meluche

[OSR stands with Israel]

Wow, this is a depressing thread. Yes, Mélenchon is awful on Ukraine (though I doubt that when it comes down to it, Le Pen is any better there either) and has said some extremely suspect things about Jews (but, again, as far as Le Pen compares there, you might, uh, want to look at what the not exactly entirely repudiated history of her party is), but why no mention of the fact that, for instance,

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-67378893

For the first time ever, a major demonstration being attended by representatives of the major political parties includes the far right - but not the far left.

On Sunday afternoon thousands of people heeded a call from the Speakers of the two houses of parliament to show their support for French "Republican" values and their rejection of antisemitism - this in the face of a steep rise in antisemitic actions since 7 October.

Among the first to announce their presence were Marine Le Pen, three-time presidential candidate for the National Rally (formerly the National Front), and the party's young president, Jordan Bardella.

Almost simultaneously came a rejoinder from their counterpart on the far left, Jean-Luc Mélenchon, irascible leader of France Unbowed (LFI). His party would not be attending, he tweeted, because the march was a "rendezvous for unconditional supporters of the massacre [of Gazans]".

[MABA 2020]

Melenchon but not happily.