Democrats: Who is more disappointing?

[Mr. Smith]

Outside of far leftists being pissed at Fetterman about his stance on Israel, how has Fetterman been a disappointment for Democrats?

There is that whole lab meat thing, where he sided with Meatball Ron for no real reason.

[falling apart like the ashes of American flags]

Outside of far leftists being pissed at Fetterman about his stance on Israel, how has Fetterman been a disappointment for Democrats?

There is that whole lab meat thing, where he sided with Meatball Ron for no real reason.

That was dumb but also inconsequential, especially as he has no control over Florida state policy.

In order for Fetterman to be worse than Sinema, he would have to be voting significantly to the right of Generic D, which is not the case. If Fetterman ends up just being Generic D in voting and a little Sistah Souljah moment prone in rhetoric, that's nowhere near as bad as Sinema.

[Sic Semper Fascistis]

And I didn’t complain when Sinema was extremely rude to those folks.  Heckling politicians in an attempt to provoke them into losing their temper and doing something dumb like Bob Etheridge did is nothing new.  Politicians have every right to ignore such people though.  It is an inherently antagonistic dynamic.

Yes, being a politicians means having to accept some degree of antagonism and making some effort to handle it with grace. Obviously that doesn't extend to indulging obvious bad-faith provocateurs, but I still haven't seen any evidence that that was what's going on here. It was an activist highlighting an concrete issue that matters greatly to them and on which Fetterman has a say. This is the kind of antagonism our elected representatives ought to be subjected to, because it's part of how they're held accountable to their constituents.

Obviously you don’t have to name any non-Israel issues, but you basically said he was almost as bad as Sinema

...I did not. I explicitly did not. Did you actually read what I said??? I know you're smart, so I refuse to believe this is actually how you interpreted my post, unless you were in a real hurry or had a bizarrely visceral reaction to it. Go read the post again and then we'll continue.

[Schumer can go f*** himself!]

And I didn’t complain when Sinema was extremely rude to those folks.  Heckling politicians in an attempt to provoke them into losing their temper and doing something dumb like Bob Etheridge did is nothing new.  Politicians have every right to ignore such people though.  It is an inherently antagonistic dynamic.

Yes, being a politicians means having to accept some degree of antagonism and making some effort to handle it with grace. Obviously that doesn't extend to indulging obvious bad-faith provocateurs, but I still haven't seen any evidence that that was what's going on here. It was an activist highlighting an concrete issue that matters greatly to them and on which Fetterman has a say. This is the kind of antagonism our elected representatives ought to be subjected to, because it's part of how they're held accountable to their constituents.

Obviously you don’t have to name any non-Israel issues, but you basically said he was almost as bad as Sinema

...I did not. I explicitly did not. Did you actually read what I said??? I know you're smart, so I refuse to believe this is actually how you interpreted my post, unless you were in a real hurry or had a bizarrely visceral reaction to it. Go read the post again and then we'll continue.

I guess I tend to assume any activists doing these sort of stunts are acting in performative bad-faith.  That’s just me though.  The truth is probably somewhere in between our two positions.

In fairness to you, I was in a pretty big rush when I read your post and upon reread, it looks like unlike some others you were not saying he was as bad as Sinema. 

[CheapDollarEra?]

While Sinema could had already been expected to be moderate/conservative on economic/fiscal issues in 2018, most expected her to be consistenly liberal on social issues.
Sinema's defense of the filbuster is agaisnt the social liberal goals that people expected her to champion.

Meanwhile, Fetterman didn't run as a pro-Pali candidate...

[Sic Semper Fascistis]

And I didn’t complain when Sinema was extremely rude to those folks.  Heckling politicians in an attempt to provoke them into losing their temper and doing something dumb like Bob Etheridge did is nothing new.  Politicians have every right to ignore such people though.  It is an inherently antagonistic dynamic.

Yes, being a politicians means having to accept some degree of antagonism and making some effort to handle it with grace. Obviously that doesn't extend to indulging obvious bad-faith provocateurs, but I still haven't seen any evidence that that was what's going on here. It was an activist highlighting an concrete issue that matters greatly to them and on which Fetterman has a say. This is the kind of antagonism our elected representatives ought to be subjected to, because it's part of how they're held accountable to their constituents.

Obviously you don’t have to name any non-Israel issues, but you basically said he was almost as bad as Sinema

...I did not. I explicitly did not. Did you actually read what I said??? I know you're smart, so I refuse to believe this is actually how you interpreted my post, unless you were in a real hurry or had a bizarrely visceral reaction to it. Go read the post again and then we'll continue.

I guess I tend to assume any activists doing these sort of stunts are acting in performative bad-faith.  That’s just me though.  The truth is probably somewhere in between our two positions.

In fairness to you, I was in a pretty big rush when I read your post and upon reread, it looks like unlike some others you were not saying he was as bad as Sinema. 

It's all right. I understand the temptation to have a knee-jerk reaction to these things when you're used to arguing with dumbasses, but I think it's precisely why it's so important to actually listen to each other and keep an eye out for nuance.

[Ferguson97]

Sinema disappoints more frequently, but Fetterman's disappointments are more egregious.