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« on: June 17, 2024, 08:53:06 AM »

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« Reply #1 on: June 17, 2024, 09:36:08 AM »

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« Reply #2 on: June 17, 2024, 10:15:29 AM »
« Edited: June 17, 2024, 10:18:46 AM by SloopJB3 »

Moore is putting up BIG wins ahead of a potential presidential bid in 2028.
Hopkins/Oxford grad + Black + charisma + youth + military & executive experience as Gov
Dude is a serious contender down the road.
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« Reply #3 on: June 17, 2024, 12:30:52 PM »

Moore is putting up BIG wins ahead of a potential presidential bid in 2028.
Hopkins/Oxford grad + Black + charisma + youth + military & executive experience as Gov
Dude is a serious contender down the road.

Agreed. Democrats have been looking for the "next Obama" and it could be him.

Although if Biden wins this year, 2028 is near-guaranteed to be a Republican-friendly year.
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« Reply #4 on: June 17, 2024, 12:53:04 PM »

Moore is putting up BIG wins ahead of a potential presidential bid in 2028.
Hopkins/Oxford grad + Black + charisma + youth + military & executive experience as Gov
Dude is a serious contender down the road.

Agreed. Democrats have been looking for the "next Obama" and it could be him.

Although if Biden wins this year, 2028 is near-guaranteed to be a Republican-friendly year.

In that case, Harris is probably favored anyway, and then blowing the race. Anyway, Democrats actually have a strong reservoir of candidates that year. Him, Shapiro, Whitmer, Warnock, Ossoff or Beshear, just to name a few. I'd be thrilled with either of these on the ticket, regardless of number one and number two. The remaining ones could be in key cabinet positions.
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« Reply #5 on: June 17, 2024, 12:59:05 PM »

Democrats will not be looking for the Next Obama, that’s for sure.
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« Reply #6 on: June 17, 2024, 06:05:59 PM »

so, WAY more than Biden has
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« Reply #7 on: June 17, 2024, 06:10:00 PM »


Libertarian begs federal executive to illegally override state judicial actions....
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« Reply #8 on: June 17, 2024, 06:14:58 PM »


Libertarian begs federal executive to illegally override state judicial actions....
my post suggests nothing of the sort, just pointing out that Biden, despite a lot of talk, has pardoned almost no one.  Thanks, as always, for paying so close attention.
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« Reply #9 on: June 17, 2024, 06:40:28 PM »


Libertarian begs federal executive to illegally override state judicial actions....
my post suggests nothing of the sort, just pointing out that Biden, despite a lot of talk, has pardoned almost no one.  Thanks, as always, for paying so close attention.

Yeah, no. Moore pardoned a large group of people who were arrested under state marijuana laws, which Biden has no power to do.
Biden has apparently pardoned thousands of people who were arrested under federal laws: https://apnews.com/article/biden-marijuana-pardons-clemency-02abde991a05ff7dfa29bfc3c74e9d64
And the number of people he even has the power to pardon is likely significantly lower, hence why he has called on state and municipal leaders to act under their delegated authority over state and local laws. It's okay to say you just felt like venting at Biden, but it's important to point out this particular argument has no teeth.
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« Reply #10 on: June 17, 2024, 07:02:38 PM »


Libertarian begs federal executive to illegally override state judicial actions....
my post suggests nothing of the sort, just pointing out that Biden, despite a lot of talk, has pardoned almost no one.  Thanks, as always, for paying so close attention.

Yeah, no. Moore pardoned a large group of people who were arrested under state marijuana laws, which Biden has no power to do.
Biden has apparently pardoned thousands of people who were arrested under federal laws: https://apnews.com/article/biden-marijuana-pardons-clemency-02abde991a05ff7dfa29bfc3c74e9d64
And the number of people he even has the power to pardon is likely significantly lower, hence why he has called on state and municipal leaders to act under their delegated authority over state and local laws. It's okay to say you just felt like venting at Biden, but it's important to point out this particular argument has no teeth.
dude, I know all that. I participated in the threads.  The threads where the redavs were parroting the Biden administration that what he was doing was a Big Funkin' Deal.  And it wasn't.  The rescheduling was a bigger step, but still a far smaller step than most Americans want.  Why can't the progressive party do (or even ask for/try and pass or presidential pen whip) some of the simple steps that would actually make a difference, today, to people who haven't already been screwed over by the state?  Steps the American voter wants them to take!  it's insane and further evidence that neither party actually wants to win elections.
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« Reply #11 on: June 18, 2024, 05:42:41 AM »

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« Reply #12 on: June 18, 2024, 08:37:49 AM »


Libertarian begs federal executive to illegally override state judicial actions....
my post suggests nothing of the sort, just pointing out that Biden, despite a lot of talk, has pardoned almost no one.  Thanks, as always, for paying so close attention.

Yeah, no. Moore pardoned a large group of people who were arrested under state marijuana laws, which Biden has no power to do.
Biden has apparently pardoned thousands of people who were arrested under federal laws: https://apnews.com/article/biden-marijuana-pardons-clemency-02abde991a05ff7dfa29bfc3c74e9d64
And the number of people he even has the power to pardon is likely significantly lower, hence why he has called on state and municipal leaders to act under their delegated authority over state and local laws. It's okay to say you just felt like venting at Biden, but it's important to point out this particular argument has no teeth.
dude, I know all that. I participated in the threads.  The threads where the redavs were parroting the Biden administration that what he was doing was a Big Funkin' Deal.  And it wasn't.  The rescheduling was a bigger step, but still a far smaller step than most Americans want.  Why can't the progressive party do (or even ask for/try and pass or presidential pen whip) some of the simple steps that would actually make a difference, today, to people who haven't already been screwed over by the state?  Steps the American voter wants them to take!  it's insane and further evidence that neither party actually wants to win elections.

How do you expect Biden to pardon people he has no power to pardon?
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« Reply #13 on: June 18, 2024, 09:58:41 AM »

How do you expect Biden to pardon people he has no power to pardon?
I don't.  I was mocking Biden and the people that thought Biden's pardons were a big deal.
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« Reply #14 on: June 18, 2024, 02:28:41 PM »

How do you expect Biden to pardon people he has no power to pardon?
I don't.  I was mocking Biden and the people that thought Biden's pardons were a big deal.

 I'm sure it's a big deal to those who Biden pardoned, where a stupid petty drug conviction was stopping them from living a full life.
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« Reply #15 on: June 18, 2024, 03:12:10 PM »

Moore is putting up BIG wins ahead of a potential presidential bid in 2028.
Hopkins/Oxford grad + Black + charisma + youth + military & executive experience as Gov
Dude is a serious contender down the road.

Agreed. Democrats have been looking for the "next Obama" and it could be him.

Although if Biden wins this year, 2028 is near-guaranteed to be a Republican-friendly year.

In that case, Harris is probably favored anyway, and then blowing the race. Anyway, Democrats actually have a strong reservoir of candidates that year. Him, Shapiro, Whitmer, Warnock, Ossoff or Beshear, just to name a few. I'd be thrilled with either of these on the ticket, regardless of number one and number two. The remaining ones could be in key cabinet positions.

a.) I don't expect Harris to win a national primary unless Biden wins the election, dies in office and hands the reins of power to her.
b.) Not sure if Ossoff is really that strong a candidate.
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« Reply #16 on: June 18, 2024, 03:15:04 PM »

How do you expect Biden to pardon people he has no power to pardon?
I don't.  I was mocking Biden and the people that thought Biden's pardons were a big deal.

 I'm sure it's a big deal to those who Biden pardoned, where a stupid petty drug conviction was stopping them from living a full life.

I'm pretty sure Dead0man was talking about pardons on a larger, macro scale, not disputing how Biden's pardons have been life-changing for the few individuals who it affected.

His point, I'm pretty sure, is that one way or another, whatever the reason, Moore has done more on this issue in a year and a half than Biden has in more than three.
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« Reply #17 on: June 18, 2024, 03:21:59 PM »

How do you expect Biden to pardon people he has no power to pardon?
I don't.  I was mocking Biden and the people that thought Biden's pardons were a big deal.

 I'm sure it's a big deal to those who Biden pardoned, where a stupid petty drug conviction was stopping them from living a full life.

I'm pretty sure Dead0man was talking about pardons on a larger, macro scale, not disputing how Biden's pardons have been life-changing for the few individuals who it affected.

His point, I'm pretty sure, is that one way or another, whatever the reason, Moore has done more on this issue in a year and a half than Biden has in more than three.


 Never forget that things like pardons have real people on the other side of them and never let the perfect be the enemy of the good. We can always push Biden to do more, but Biden has been the most progressive President on cannabis reform and decriminalization in our entire lifetime, that is a fact.

 Deadoman always has bad words for Democrats even though they are achieving more on an issue he supposedly cares about over any GOP official. Why not save criticism for the GOP who are mostly still stuck in the past on this issue?

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« Reply #18 on: June 18, 2024, 07:14:20 PM »
« Edited: June 19, 2024, 05:36:05 AM by dead0man »

Deadoman always has bad words for Democrats even though they are achieving more on an issue he supposedly cares about over any GOP official. Why not save criticism for the GOP who are mostly still stuck in the past on this issue?
Who the hell expects the conservative party to take the lead on this issue?  That would be like criticising the Democrats for not doing more about making it easier to get a gun or open a business.
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« Reply #19 on: June 19, 2024, 08:08:22 PM »

I don't think this particularly helps Moore for a future Presidential run, but it was the right thing to do.
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« Reply #20 on: June 19, 2024, 08:42:00 PM »

Moore is putting up BIG wins ahead of a potential presidential bid in 2028.
Hopkins/Oxford grad + Black + charisma + youth + military & executive experience as Gov
Dude is a serious contender down the road.

Agreed. Democrats have been looking for the "next Obama" and it could be him.

Although if Biden wins this year, 2028 is near-guaranteed to be a Republican-friendly year.

In that case, Harris is probably favored anyway, and then blowing the race. Anyway, Democrats actually have a strong reservoir of candidates that year. Him, Shapiro, Whitmer, Warnock, Ossoff or Beshear, just to name a few. I'd be thrilled with either of these on the ticket, regardless of number one and number two. The remaining ones could be in key cabinet positions.

Gallego as well. If Biden loses this year, Harris won’t stand a chance in the 2028 primary. Moore would be my early bet, followed by Gallego.
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« Reply #21 on: June 19, 2024, 11:48:14 PM »

I don't think this particularly helps Moore for a future Presidential run, but it was the right thing to do.

I think it could help him in a primary run to stand out from a lot of competitive candidates. But I totally agree it was the right thing to do regardless
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