How would a President Bernie Sanders be performing right now?
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« on: May 19, 2024, 04:57:46 PM »

Bernie Sanders wins in 2020
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« Reply #1 on: May 19, 2024, 04:59:02 PM »

first of all, he would’ve never won in 2020 no matter how endangered was Trump that year.
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« Reply #2 on: May 19, 2024, 05:01:31 PM »

Maybe he's finishing his second term. Wink
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« Reply #3 on: May 19, 2024, 05:01:39 PM »
« Edited: May 19, 2024, 11:56:54 PM by Progressive Pessimist »

If Biden is getting the blame for inflation just because he happened to be in power as it went up, imagine if "Socialism" was even easier ro attribute to it.

Sanders is older than Biden too.

Against a President Sanders I would buy that Trump is leading by as much as he is now.
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« Reply #4 on: May 19, 2024, 05:08:36 PM »

Better. He wouldn't be flip-flopping on Gaza, and he turns out the base. If Biden loses this election it'll be because his own base can't bother voting for him.
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« Reply #5 on: May 19, 2024, 06:57:53 PM »

Better because Sanders wouldn't have hid behind the scenes for the past four years, letting the age and stamina issue become too big to overcome.
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« Reply #6 on: May 19, 2024, 07:01:46 PM »

A hell of a lot better. Probably, he would actually be a decent president. Unfortunately, he probably wouldn't have made it past the 2020 election, given how hard left he tacked in the primaries in a misguided attempt to try and one-up Elizabeth Warren on everything. The more time passes, the more it becomes clear that the failure of Bernie in 2016 and 2020 is the great tragedy of American progressivism.
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« Reply #7 on: May 19, 2024, 11:30:02 PM »

If he's still alive, better.

But his pick for VP if he does die would have a huge sympathy vote I don't think Harris will necessarily get, just because Bernie would be an icon.

2022 would probably have ended up more lop-sided rather than tit-for-tat.
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« Reply #8 on: May 20, 2024, 12:31:39 AM »

The problem with Prez Biden is always Hunter we knew he was scandaled
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« Reply #9 on: May 20, 2024, 12:44:29 AM »

A hell of a lot better. Probably, he would actually be a decent president. Unfortunately, he probably wouldn't have made it past the 2020 election, given how hard left he tacked in the primaries in a misguided attempt to try and one-up Elizabeth Warren on everything. The more time passes, the more it becomes clear that the failure of Bernie in 2016 and 2020 is the great tragedy of American progressivism.

America wasn’t ready. Things need to get even worse before the people see. Things are worse right now here in Canada, but people think it’s because of the Liberals, not because of capitalism. When the Conservatives win in a landslide and then fail to fix anything, we may finally be prime for an NDP government with a better leader than Singh.

America will have its chance for socialism in a few cycle’s time, don’t worry. I’m not sure who the champion will be, but trust the process.

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« Reply #10 on: May 20, 2024, 12:51:28 AM »

Probably decently better than Biden
I'd have a hard time seeing him losing to Trump in 2024
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« Reply #11 on: May 20, 2024, 08:09:06 AM »

The two main drivers behind Biden's low approvals are that people think he's too old and that he's to the left of 90% of the country. Bernie would not be doing any better
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« Reply #12 on: May 20, 2024, 09:03:40 AM »

A bit better, but still very vulnerable. He'd very easily be a boogeyman for the right and I'm not sure how he'd navigate some of the culture war issues, but even though he's older than Biden, he looks and speaks more energetically, so the age issue wouldn't be hurting him nearly as much, particularly with younger people. Whether or not he could get even a tiny amount of his agenda through Congress, particularly if Democrats proved to be a thorn in his side, is also a good quesiton.
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« Reply #13 on: May 20, 2024, 05:56:59 PM »

The two main drivers behind Biden's low approvals are that people think he's too old and that he's to the left of 90% of the country. Bernie would not be doing any better

He's only "too left" because he doesn't sell his positions so well, or at the very least doesn't really counter and he's only considered "too old" because he acts old.

Bernie and Trump are more animated and act younger than they are and they sell their positions for all they're worth, even if it's just ad-nauseum, and facts be d(*ned.

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« Reply #14 on: May 20, 2024, 06:01:50 PM »

The two main drivers behind Biden's low approvals are that people think he's too old and that he's to the left of 90% of the country. Bernie would not be doing any better

Yeah - adding to this, Biden’s other big problem has been rising prices. Obv a lot of it was baked in by the post-pandemic situation, but ARRA contributed to it and Bernie would’ve done it also
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« Reply #15 on: May 20, 2024, 07:21:00 PM »

first of all, he would’ve never won in 2020 no matter how endangered was Trump that year.

Not sure if he would have won in 2020 but pretty confident he would have won in 2016.
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« Reply #16 on: May 20, 2024, 07:21:32 PM »

He'd definitely be fundraising better.
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« Reply #17 on: May 20, 2024, 07:31:13 PM »
« Edited: May 20, 2024, 09:47:03 PM by Eraserhead »

He certainly wouldn't be struggling with young people, Hispanics, Muslims or independents as much as Biden is. Perhaps he would be having more issues with blacks, Jews and highly educated whites in general but honestly it's hard to imagine Trump making serious inroads with those groups at the end of the day no matter who he is against.
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« Reply #18 on: May 20, 2024, 07:34:39 PM »

We should of went with Bernie where are all the Harris hacks now he won't have picked Harris
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« Reply #19 on: May 20, 2024, 07:41:55 PM »

Irrespective of the soft spot many have for Sanders, he would be doing much worse than Biden.  The scenario for a Trump campaign writes itself: "Save America from socialism".  A lot of the centrist Democrats would be either turned off and abstain, or vote for Trump with a blocked nose, while centrist Republicans would not need a special incentive to get out and vote.
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« Reply #20 on: May 20, 2024, 07:48:46 PM »
« Edited: May 20, 2024, 07:51:47 PM by Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers »

Irrespective of the soft spot many have for Sanders, he would be doing much worse than Biden.  The scenario for a Trump campaign writes itself: "Save America from socialism".  A lot of the centrist Democrats would be either turned off and abstain, or vote for Trump with a blocked nose, while centrist Republicans would not need a special incentive to get out and vote.


Not true as we see with Harris whom I think won't be the Nominee im 28 he would of picked a mainstream Running mate and lol he was doing better than Hillary in all the swing states


Guess what most Americans believe in Bernie not Trump tax cuts for the rich. Biden picked the worst VP

Everyone now expects Newsom to run and beat our Harris for the nomination lol Harris was a mistake that Biden made even I see that now.
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« Reply #21 on: May 20, 2024, 09:51:31 PM »

Irrespective of the soft spot many have for Sanders, he would be doing much worse than Biden.  The scenario for a Trump campaign writes itself: "Save America from socialism".  A lot of the centrist Democrats would be either turned off and abstain, or vote for Trump with a blocked nose, while centrist Republicans would not need a special incentive to get out and vote.


Not true as we see with Harris whom I think won't be the Nominee im 28 he would of picked a mainstream Running mate and lol he was doing better than Hillary in all the swing states


Guess what most Americans believe in Bernie not Trump tax cuts for the rich. Biden picked the worst VP

Everyone now expects Newsom to run and beat our Harris for the nomination lol Harris was a mistake that Biden made even I see that now.

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« Reply #22 on: May 20, 2024, 11:02:31 PM »

The same roughly. Bernie would have a sturdier floor in terms of his base, but his ceiling would be much lower due to any Sanders 2020 win being even narrower than a Biden 2020 win was, thus he'd have even less room than Biden to lose support and still hold on.
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« Reply #23 on: May 20, 2024, 11:07:28 PM »

He certainly wouldn't be struggling with young people, Hispanics, Muslims or independents as much as Biden is. Perhaps he would be having more issues with blacks, Jews and highly educated whites in general but honestly it's hard to imagine Trump making serious inroads with those groups at the end of the day no matter who he is against.

Probably not, but let's not pretend there wouldn't be significant slippage with Latinos, Muslims, and indies at large with Bernie at the helm- even in the (admittedly unlikely) scenario that he wins 2020 with a trifecta after one term of Trump.

The same roughly. Bernie would have a sturdier floor in terms of his base, but his ceiling would be much lower due to any Sanders 2020 win being even narrower than a Biden 2020 win was, thus he'd have even less room than Biden to lose support and still hold on.
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« Reply #24 on: May 20, 2024, 11:11:09 PM »

A hell of a lot better. Probably, he would actually be a decent president. Unfortunately, he probably wouldn't have made it past the 2020 election, given how hard left he tacked in the primaries in a misguided attempt to try and one-up Elizabeth Warren on everything. The more time passes, the more it becomes clear that the failure of Bernie in 2016 and 2020 is the great tragedy of American progressivism.

America wasn’t ready. Things need to get even worse before the people see. Things are worse right now here in Canada, but people think it’s because of the Liberals, not because of capitalism. When the Conservatives win in a landslide and then fail to fix anything, we may finally be prime for an NDP government with a better leader than Singh.

America will have its chance for socialism in a few cycle’s time, don’t worry. I’m not sure who the champion will be, but trust the process.

No people would just return to the liberals because they have short memories.

America literally just tried a conservative and a liberal. It's clear that Trumpism didn't work. neither does biden work... So who are americans going to try again. That's right... Donald ****ing J. Trump.
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