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« on: May 11, 2024, 06:12:03 PM »

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2024/05/11/us-israel-rafah-invasion-palestinians-evacuation/
Obviously there is always intelligence we shouldn’t be sharing just like say enigma information in WW2 because it’s useful for future information . It can be used in an emergency if situations drastically change but it mostly seems like the only thing that’s changing is Biden poll numbers . If it really wasn’t that sensitive then it was evil to not share it.

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[The Biden administration, working urgently to stave off a full-scale Israeli invasion of Rafah, is offering Israel valuable assistance if it holds back, including sensitive intelligence to help the Israeli military pinpoint the location of Hamas leaders and find the group’s hidden tunnels, according to four people familiar with the U.S. offers./
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« Reply #1 on: May 11, 2024, 06:13:17 PM »

So why didnt we give Israel this intelligence before then.
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« Reply #2 on: May 11, 2024, 06:16:27 PM »

So why didnt we give Israel this intelligence before then.

Well as I stated it’s possible it genuinely is sensitive information that the Israelis would have seen as worth using but would have sacrificed our own ability in the future . Obviously whats more sensitive is Biden reelection .
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« Reply #3 on: May 11, 2024, 07:16:03 PM »

I would listen, Biden admin has been serious about their intelligence assessments, see Ukraine Invasion, warning the Russians about the terrorist attacks, etc.
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« Reply #4 on: May 11, 2024, 07:18:55 PM »

So why didnt we give Israel this intelligence before then.

Man you just won't give Biden credit for anything will you? Even when he proves you wrong you're like "Why didn't you prove me wrong earlier??"
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« Reply #5 on: May 11, 2024, 07:24:39 PM »

So why didnt we give Israel this intelligence before then.

Man you just won't give Biden credit for anything will you? Even when he proves you wrong you're like "Why didn't you prove me wrong earlier??"

Cause he is doing this to prevent an full Israeli occupation of Gaza just to appease insane college protestors . Otherwise hed have given this earlier
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« Reply #6 on: May 11, 2024, 08:09:45 PM »

It seems like information that we would give any ally, assuming they're a reasonable nation (which Israel isn't) so I don't see the controversy around this "sensitive" intelligence.

If I was Biden I would be much harsher. I would tell him that I would personally come out in favor of Palestinian statehood, UN representation, and I would cut off all aid to Israel, including humanitarian. No more shared intelligence, no more free money, no more free guns. It's all over.
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« Reply #7 on: May 11, 2024, 08:11:30 PM »

So why didnt we give Israel this intelligence before then.

Man you just won't give Biden credit for anything will you? Even when he proves you wrong you're like "Why didn't you prove me wrong earlier??"

Cause he is doing this to prevent an full Israeli occupation of Gaza just to appease insane college protestors . Otherwise hed have given this earlier
You’re being just as unreasonable to Biden as the pro-Palestine protesters are. They refuse to support Biden unless he becomes 100% pro-Palestine. You refuse to support Biden unless he is 100% pro-Israel. Biden has done a pretty good job at resisting pressure from the pro-Palestine crowd, anc you should give him some credit for that.
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« Reply #8 on: May 11, 2024, 08:16:04 PM »

So why didnt we give Israel this intelligence before then.

Man you just won't give Biden credit for anything will you? Even when he proves you wrong you're like "Why didn't you prove me wrong earlier??"

Cause he is doing this to prevent an full Israeli occupation of Gaza just to appease insane college protestors . Otherwise hed have given this earlier

He should be preventing it. They're clearly incapable of handling it.
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« Reply #9 on: May 11, 2024, 08:21:32 PM »

So why didnt we give Israel this intelligence before then.

Because if he did he might have blown the cover of the source genius.
Have you ever thought of that or any other alternative to your "Biden is caving to the woke-Nazis" theory?
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« Reply #10 on: May 11, 2024, 09:14:57 PM »
« Edited: May 11, 2024, 09:20:44 PM by lfromnj »

So why didnt we give Israel this intelligence before then.

Because if he did he might have blown the cover of the source genius.

Have you ever thought of that or any other alternative to your "Biden is caving to the woke-Nazis" theory?

So do you actually believe the risk of giving away this info has disappeared or is it just a bargaining chip for Biden to get 5000 votes in Michigan? I mentioned the fact that we shouldn't freely give away intelligence as there are plenty of valid reasons for holding it back .
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« Reply #11 on: May 11, 2024, 09:28:01 PM »

So why didnt we give Israel this intelligence before then.

Man you just won't give Biden credit for anything will you? Even when he proves you wrong you're like "Why didn't you prove me wrong earlier??"

Cause he is doing this to prevent an full Israeli occupation of Gaza just to appease insane college protestors . Otherwise hed have given this earlier
You’re being just as unreasonable to Biden as the pro-Palestine protesters are. They refuse to support Biden unless he becomes 100% pro-Palestine. You refuse to support Biden unless he is 100% pro-Israel. Biden has done a pretty good job at resisting pressure from the pro-Palestine crowd, anc you should give him some credit for that.

Not any more . He also is doing nothing to cancel the student visas of these Islamist sympathizing immigrants and now wants to bring in more refugees . Doing so is completely outrageous .

Also I’m not on the far left , I’m on the center right so this doenst apply to me .
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« Reply #12 on: May 11, 2024, 09:31:23 PM »

So why didnt we give Israel this intelligence before then.

Man you just won't give Biden credit for anything will you? Even when he proves you wrong you're like "Why didn't you prove me wrong earlier??"

Cause he is doing this to prevent an full Israeli occupation of Gaza just to appease insane college protestors . Otherwise hed have given this earlier

He should be preventing it. They're clearly incapable of handling it.

No he should be encouraging them to invade and fully occupy Gaza for the foreseeable future . If anything he should put pressure on Egypt to do far more than they are doing
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« Reply #13 on: May 11, 2024, 09:42:16 PM »

So why didnt we give Israel this intelligence before then.

Man you just won't give Biden credit for anything will you? Even when he proves you wrong you're like "Why didn't you prove me wrong earlier??"

Cause he is doing this to prevent an full Israeli occupation of Gaza just to appease insane college protestors . Otherwise hed have given this earlier

He should be preventing it. They're clearly incapable of handling it.

No he should be encouraging them to invade and fully occupy Gaza for the foreseeable future . If anything he should put pressure on Egypt to do far more than they are doing


You’re just as bad as the far left college protesters.


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« Reply #14 on: May 11, 2024, 09:45:37 PM »

So why didnt we give Israel this intelligence before then.

Man you just won't give Biden credit for anything will you? Even when he proves you wrong you're like "Why didn't you prove me wrong earlier??"

Cause he is doing this to prevent an full Israeli occupation of Gaza just to appease insane college protestors . Otherwise hed have given this earlier

He should be preventing it. They're clearly incapable of handling it.

No he should be encouraging them to invade and fully occupy Gaza for the foreseeable future . If anything he should put pressure on Egypt to do far more than they are doing


You’re just as bad as the far left college protesters.





Wanting our enemies to win is the same as wanting our Allies to completey win . Nice false equivalency.


The Islamists are clearly the bad guys and Israel are the good guys and liberals in trying to be too nuanced have lost their vision on this
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« Reply #15 on: May 11, 2024, 10:10:56 PM »

I do love the constant insistence from the Bibi can do no wrong crowd that Biden after how pro-Israel he’s been is just doing a pushback here because he’s “caving to the protesters” and not because his administration shares the same concerns about attacking Rafah that the guy who if elections where held right now would be Israel’s next prime minister (Gantz) has?
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« Reply #16 on: May 11, 2024, 10:15:21 PM »

So why didnt we give Israel this intelligence before then.

Man you just won't give Biden credit for anything will you? Even when he proves you wrong you're like "Why didn't you prove me wrong earlier??"

Cause he is doing this to prevent an full Israeli occupation of Gaza just to appease insane college protestors . Otherwise hed have given this earlier

He should be preventing it. They're clearly incapable of handling it.

No he should be encouraging them to invade and fully occupy Gaza for the foreseeable future . If anything he should put pressure on Egypt to do far more than they are doing


You’re just as bad as the far left college protesters.





Wanting our enemies to win is the same as wanting our Allies to completey win . Nice false equivalency.


The Islamists are clearly the bad guys and Israel are the good guys and liberals in trying to be too nuanced have lost their vision on this

If your friend tried to drive drunk, would you support them?
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« Reply #17 on: May 11, 2024, 10:23:23 PM »

So why didnt we give Israel this intelligence before then.

Man you just won't give Biden credit for anything will you? Even when he proves you wrong you're like "Why didn't you prove me wrong earlier??"

Cause he is doing this to prevent an full Israeli occupation of Gaza just to appease insane college protestors . Otherwise hed have given this earlier

He should be preventing it. They're clearly incapable of handling it.

No he should be encouraging them to invade and fully occupy Gaza for the foreseeable future . If anything he should put pressure on Egypt to do far more than they are doing


You’re just as bad as the far left college protesters.





Wanting our enemies to win is the same as wanting our Allies to completey win . Nice false equivalency.


The Islamists are clearly the bad guys and Israel are the good guys and liberals in trying to be too nuanced have lost their vision on this

If your friend tried to drive drunk, would you support them?

I don’t view this as driving drunk .I view Israel invading Rafah as the correct decision and one that we should encourage them to do
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« Reply #18 on: May 11, 2024, 11:10:56 PM »

So why didnt we give Israel this intelligence before then.

Man you just won't give Biden credit for anything will you? Even when he proves you wrong you're like "Why didn't you prove me wrong earlier??"

Cause he is doing this to prevent an full Israeli occupation of Gaza just to appease insane college protestors . Otherwise hed have given this earlier
You’re being just as unreasonable to Biden as the pro-Palestine protesters are. They refuse to support Biden unless he becomes 100% pro-Palestine. You refuse to support Biden unless he is 100% pro-Israel. Biden has done a pretty good job at resisting pressure from the pro-Palestine crowd, anc you should give him some credit for that.

Not any more . He also is doing nothing to cancel the student visas of these Islamist sympathizing immigrants and now wants to bring in more refugees . Doing so is completely outrageous .

Also I’m not on the far left , I’m on the center right so this doenst apply to me .
Again, you're punishing Biden for being 90% with you on this issue instead of 100%
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« Reply #19 on: May 11, 2024, 11:15:05 PM »

So why didnt we give Israel this intelligence before then.

Man you just won't give Biden credit for anything will you? Even when he proves you wrong you're like "Why didn't you prove me wrong earlier??"

Cause he is doing this to prevent an full Israeli occupation of Gaza just to appease insane college protestors . Otherwise hed have given this earlier
You’re being just as unreasonable to Biden as the pro-Palestine protesters are. They refuse to support Biden unless he becomes 100% pro-Palestine. You refuse to support Biden unless he is 100% pro-Israel. Biden has done a pretty good job at resisting pressure from the pro-Palestine crowd, anc you should give him some credit for that.

Not any more . He also is doing nothing to cancel the student visas of these Islamist sympathizing immigrants and now wants to bring in more refugees . Doing so is completely outrageous .

Also I’m not on the far left , I’m on the center right so this doenst apply to me .
Again, you're punishing Biden for being 90% with you on this issue instead of 100%

What is Biden doing about :

- all the Islamist sympathizers we have allowed in as students . Is he stripping them of their visas (many by the way are whites and we should deport them as well if they are on student visa )

- why is he bringing in more refugees

- why is he doing absolutely nothing on the border through executive order


He’s absolutely atrocious on immigration and the reason is he’s caved to the progressive base . Now he’s giving indication he will do so here as well so what’s next for him . Also not supporting israel being able to fully occupy Gaza isn’t 90% agreement which is why so many democrats are openly condemning him on this too
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« Reply #20 on: May 12, 2024, 04:21:48 AM »

OSR should just get over it and go enlist to the IDF. Put his money where his mouth is instead of frothing from the mouth everytime someone offers the slightest criticism to his favorite country.
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« Reply #21 on: May 12, 2024, 06:34:55 AM »

Too little, too late.
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« Reply #22 on: May 12, 2024, 07:16:29 AM »

So why didnt we give Israel this intelligence before then.

Man you just won't give Biden credit for anything will you? Even when he proves you wrong you're like "Why didn't you prove me wrong earlier??"

Cause he is doing this to prevent an full Israeli occupation of Gaza just to appease insane college protestors . Otherwise hed have given this earlier
You’re being just as unreasonable to Biden as the pro-Palestine protesters are. They refuse to support Biden unless he becomes 100% pro-Palestine. You refuse to support Biden unless he is 100% pro-Israel. Biden has done a pretty good job at resisting pressure from the pro-Palestine crowd, anc you should give him some credit for that.

Not any more . He also is doing nothing to cancel the student visas of these Islamist sympathizing immigrants and now wants to bring in more refugees . Doing so is completely outrageous .

Also I’m not on the far left , I’m on the center right so this doenst apply to me .
Again, you're punishing Biden for being 90% with you on this issue instead of 100%

What is Biden doing about :

- all the Islamist sympathizers we have allowed in as students . Is he stripping them of their visas (many by the way are whites and we should deport them as well if they are on student visa )

- why is he bringing in more refugees

- why is he doing absolutely nothing on the border through executive order


He’s absolutely atrocious on immigration and the reason is he’s caved to the progressive base . Now he’s giving indication he will do so here as well so what’s next for him . Also not supporting israel being able to fully occupy Gaza isn’t 90% agreement which is why so many democrats are openly condemning him on this too

You think Trump is better offering tax cut to the richest among, yes you think so you know how many homeless people out there, yeah tax cuts for the super rich aren't gonna help those
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« Reply #23 on: May 12, 2024, 09:29:35 AM »

I don’t view this as driving drunk .I view Israel invading Rafah as the correct decision and one that we should encourage them to do

And that’s the problem.
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« Reply #24 on: May 12, 2024, 09:38:22 AM »

In that scenario, OSR is also a blind drunk friend in the passenger seat encouraging the drunk driving friend to drive faster.
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