Who would you have voted for--Dem primaries???

[Gustaf]

72: Muskie (better than McGovernment I suppose)
76: Carter (?)
80: ?
84: Hart (??)
88: ? (Dukakis???)
92: Clinton
96: Clinton
00: Bradley (Has more charisma than Gore)
04: Edwards

Honestly saying: I haven't enough knowledge for decision making except about elections since 92 )

Well----here were the candidates in the Dem primaries:

1972: Wallace, Muskie, McGovern
1976: Carter, Wallace and other people
1980: Incumbent Carter and Ted Kennedy
1984: Hart, Mondale, Jesse Jackson, others
1988: Gore, Gephardt, Jackson, Dukakis, others
1992: Tsongas, Clinton, Brown, Harkin
1996: Clinton Uncontested
2000: Gore, Bradley

When I say others, I can't remember the othe candidate that were in the race, mostly minor candidates.

I know the other 1976 candidates: Scoop Jackson, Mo Udall, B. Bayh, Lloyd Bentsen, Frank Church, X. Saunders, Jerry Brown, Ed Harris, those are the ones I recall.

[Gustaf]

Stop showing me up Gustaf

Just kidding, thanks.

You're welcome. I got lucky, by coincidence I happen to have an extreme amount of knowledge about the 1976 election.

[Gustaf]

Stop showing me up Gustaf

Just kidding, thanks.

You're welcome. I got lucky, by coincidence I happen to have an extreme amount of knowledge about the 1976 election.

Why?  My favorite election is the 1912 election

I ended up in a vacation resort in the West Indies with little to do, and stumbled across a book by Jules Witcover on the 1976 election. It sparkled my interest in US elections, in fact. But it was a really thick book...

[Gustaf]

I ended up in a vacation resort in the West Indies with little to do, and stumbled across a book by Jules Witcover on the 1976 election. It sparkled my interest in US elections, in fact. But it was a really thick book...

Okay.  I like the 1912 election because it is the only election I can find where 4 candidates polled over 10% in a state.  Wilson, Taft, TR, and Debs all did this in Idaho in 1912.

I like these elections as well. But there should be another one with several candidates over 10% somewhere...

[Gustaf]

72: Muskie (better than McGovernment I suppose)
76: Carter (?)
80: ?
84: Hart (??)
88: ? (Dukakis???)
92: Clinton
96: Clinton
00: Bradley (Has more charisma than Gore)
04: Edwards

Honestly saying: I haven't enough knowledge for decision making except about elections since 92 )

Well----here were the candidates in the Dem primaries:

1972: Wallace, Muskie, McGovern
1976: Carter, Wallace and other people
1980: Incumbent Carter and Ted Kennedy
1984: Hart, Mondale, Jesse Jackson, others
1988: Gore, Gephardt, Jackson, Dukakis, others
1992: Tsongas, Clinton, Brown, Harkin
1996: Clinton Uncontested
2000: Gore, Bradley

When I say others, I can't remember the othe candidate that were in the race, mostly minor candidates.

I know the other 1976 candidates: Scoop Jackson, Mo Udall, B. Bayh, Lloyd Bentsen, Frank Church, X. Saunders, Jerry Brown, Ed Harris, those are the ones I recall.

Don't you mean Fred Harris?  And you guys, Clinton wasn't uncontested in '96.  what about Lyndon LaRouch?

Yeah, Fred Harris...Fred, Ed, what 's the difference?

[Gustaf]

4 candidates olled above 15% in Nevada in 1912.

Taft, the incumbent, finished 4th behind Debs in both Arizona and Nevada! That's immensely cool, imo. So you could Arizona to the list, Taft's 12.74% earned him 4th place there.  

[Gustaf]

Debs ran 4th place in Washington with 12% of the vote as well. And Eugene Chafin, Prohibition, ran 5th place with 3.04%. I wonder if that's a 5th place record?

[Gustaf]

Oregon is slightly better...in California, Taft finsihed 5th place, behind Roosvelt, Wilson, Debs and Chafin, with 0.58% of the vote in write-ins. H-U-M-I-L-I-A-T-I-O-N!

[Gustaf]

1912 is now officially my favourite election. I am letting my passion destroy this thread, but it's really cool! Debs actually ran 2nd in Florida! And since Chafin got 3.65% in 5th place there, I think that might be a record.

[Gustaf]

And there's Montana where Debs got 13.64% of the vote and finished 4th! I'm gonna stop now, btw...

[Gustaf]

1912 is now officially my favourite election. I am letting my passion destroy this thread, but it's really cool! Debs actually ran 2nd in Florida! And since Chafin got 3.65% in 5th place there, I think that might be a record.

I got you hooked on 1912...I told you it was cool!

Yes you did, and yes it is!

[Gustaf]

Yes 1912 was indeed the most chaotic because TR ran under his own Bull Moose party otherwise Taft would have won that election by almost 1M(if you give TR's to Taft)

I am not sure on whether EVERY Roosvelt voter would've gone for Taft, but I agree that most would have, and that Taft would then have won. Still, you should probably give Debs voters to Wilson if you're gonna make a fair "what-if".

[Gustaf]

If Roosevelt had won, we'd have entered the war in 1915 after the Lusitania, beat the Central Powers by 1916. Russia never collapses. Russia and Austria not dismembered (Now, Turkey, on the other hand...). Europe still ruled by emperors. Second Great War will be completely different.

I think Austria, at least, would probably have disintegrated anyway, especially after losing, but you could well be right on Russia. Interesting scenario...

[Gustaf]

If Roosevelt had won, we'd have entered the war in 1915 after the Lusitania, beat the Central Powers by 1916. Russia never collapses. Russia and Austria not dismembered (Now, Turkey, on the other hand...). Europe still ruled by emperors. Second Great War will be completely different.

I think Austria, at least, would probably have disintegrated anyway, especially after losing, but you could well be right on Russia. Interesting scenario...

If Roosevelt had won as a third party candidate, he might have wanted to go to war in 1915, but Congress definitely wouldn't have let him.

Ehem...yeah, I suppose that's good point.... *goes away to hide in a hole*

[Gustaf]

1912 is one my favorite eletions.
I also love 1860--Lincoln wins with 39% of the pv, basically 3 Dems running against him and each other.

The cool thing is that Lincoln would have won even if the others had combined their votes! Proves the weirdness of teh EC.