Opinion of pro-choice Trump voters?

[Arizona Iced Tea]

How do you feel about the people who will be voting for or have voted for abortion rights on the ballot in Kansas, Michigan, Kentucky, Ohio, and other states but will also be voting Trump?

[falling apart like the ashes of American flags]

Trump voters = HP

[Ferguson97]

It depends on how important abortion is to them. If it's not that important to them, they're still evil for voting for Trump. But if it's really important to them, evil as well as moronic.

[Progressive Pessimist]

There's obviously a lot of them, and evidently it's not important enough to them.

[darklordoftech]

Dumb

[TML]

We should not be condescending toward them; they clearly have other reasons to support Trump, and it’s better to attempt to address those reasons. (Remember that in 2016, there was a significant chunk of the electorate who voted for Trump despite thinking that he was unqualified/temperamentally unsuited/etc, and those people voted for him mostly because they were desperate for change. Democrats should definitely not write this group of voters off.)

[Big Abraham]

It depends on how important abortion is to them. If it's not that important to them, they're still evil for voting for Trump. But if it's really important to them, evil as well as moronic.

Who is more evil, the voters who are sequestered into a sh**tty dichotomy, or the system for propping up sh**tty candidates?

[OSR stands with Israel]

It depends on how important abortion is to them. If it's not that important to them, they're still evil for voting for Trump. But if it's really important to them, evil as well as moronic.

Who is more evil, the voters who are sequestered into a sh**tty dichotomy, or the system for propping up sh**tty candidates?

While Ferguson is beyond absurd calling every Trump voter evil , it’s also absurd to say the system forces voters to choose these candidates. We have a far far more extensive primary system than pretty much any other nation so voters absolutely have more responsibility in the types of politicans the system produces because they choose them .

[Big Abraham]

It depends on how important abortion is to them. If it's not that important to them, they're still evil for voting for Trump. But if it's really important to them, evil as well as moronic.

Who is more evil, the voters who are sequestered into a sh**tty dichotomy, or the system for propping up sh**tty candidates?

While Ferguson is beyond absurd calling every Trump voter evil , it’s also absurd to say the system forces voters to choose these candidates. We have a far far more extensive primary system than pretty much any other nation so voters absolutely have more responsibility in the types of politicans the system produces because they choose them .

That doesn't mean anything. Until money gets out of politics, the primary elections are just as much of a corporate popularity contest as the general. Working men have no representation there and due to super PACs, super delegates, and other improperly labelled "super" things, even genuinely popular candidates holding high office get snubbed out. Look at 2016 and the DNC shenanigans for example.

[Flats the Flounder]

Either they're incredibly naive for thinking that Trump/the GOP would not try to continue restricting abortion rights, or the issue is simply not of the highest priority for them.

In the latter case, I suppose that's fair enough, although I do hope they ultimately change their minds by November.

[CheapDollarEra?]

Mostly kinda sensible than some single issue voters I suppose.
If they are single issue voters on non abortion topics, now that's a bit stupid.
If they think Trump won't be as anti abortion as plausible as president, they are naive.

[Ferguson97]

It depends on how important abortion is to them. If it's not that important to them, they're still evil for voting for Trump. But if it's really important to them, evil as well as moronic.

Who is more evil, the voters who are sequestered into a sh**tty dichotomy, or the system for propping up sh**tty candidates?

I am sick to death of this whole “voters have no agency, you can’t hold it against them it they vote for the fascist” shtick from so-called leftists such as yourself. Nobody forced Republican primary voters to vote for Trump. They had a dozen options in 2016, and they chose the most evil man out of all the options available.

[Big Abraham]

It depends on how important abortion is to them. If it's not that important to them, they're still evil for voting for Trump. But if it's really important to them, evil as well as moronic.

Who is more evil, the voters who are sequestered into a sh**tty dichotomy, or the system for propping up sh**tty candidates?

I am sick to death of this whole “voters have no agency, you can’t hold it against them it they vote for the fascist” shtick from so-called leftists such as yourself. Nobody forced Republican primary voters to vote for Trump. They had a dozen options in 2016, and they chose the most evil man out of all the options available.

The Democrats did the same in 2016 and 2020. Again, are the voters to blame for this? or was their "agency" greatly constrained by the fact that capital has a stranglehold on the electoral process and mass media? (and pretty unabashedly so I might add)

[Ferguson97]

The Democrats did the same in 2016 and 2020. Again, are the voters to blame for this? or was their "agency" greatly constrained by the fact that capital has a stranglehold on the electoral process and mass media? (and pretty unabashedly so I might add)

I don’t accept your premise. Democrats chose the superior candidate in 2016 and 2020.

[Transgender for Everybody]

The Democrats did the same in 2016 and 2020. Again, are the voters to blame for this? or was their "agency" greatly constrained by the fact that capital has a stranglehold on the electoral process and mass media? (and pretty unabashedly so I might add)

I don’t accept your premise. Democrats chose the superior candidate in 2016 and 2020.

2020? Sure, if only because Bernie went woke and was thus a weaker candidate than he was four years earlier. 2016? Bernie would have won.

[Big Abraham]

The Democrats did the same in 2016 and 2020. Again, are the voters to blame for this? or was their "agency" greatly constrained by the fact that capital has a stranglehold on the electoral process and mass media? (and pretty unabashedly so I might add)

I don’t accept your premise. Democrats chose the superior candidate in 2016 and 2020.

Hillary was so "superior" she lost to a spray-tanned real estate developer turned showman masquerading as a politician.

Putting aside electoral considerations, if you really believe the Clintons and Joe "freezing Social Security is not off the table" Biden are morally superior to Bernie, then you are not in any position to call any kind of voters evil.

[Ferguson97]

Hillary was so "superior" she lost to a spray-tanned real estate developer turned showman masquerading as a politician.

Putting aside electoral considerations, if you really believe the Clintons and Joe "freezing Social Security is not off the table" Biden are morally superior to Bernie, then you are not in any position to call any kind of voters evil.

Wait, I’m confused. I thought that Trump supporters couldn’t be held responsible for their political beliefs or voting habits because of “like, the system, man” or whatever. But now suddenly you’re calling me evil because I prefer Biden over Sanders?

Do people have agency or do they not?

Or is the real answer that you hate liberals more than fascists?

[SWE]

If you have a worldview that leads you to conclude it's reasonable to cast a vote for Trump, your worldview fundamentally is not one taking seriously. There's really nothing that can change that, certainly not your opinion on abortion

[Big Abraham]

Hillary was so "superior" she lost to a spray-tanned real estate developer turned showman masquerading as a politician.

Putting aside electoral considerations, if you really believe the Clintons and Joe "freezing Social Security is not off the table" Biden are morally superior to Bernie, then you are not in any position to call any kind of voters evil.

Wait, I’m confused. I thought that Trump supporters couldn’t be held responsible for their political beliefs or voting habits because of “like, the system, man” or whatever. But now suddenly you’re calling me evil because I prefer Biden over Sanders?

Do people have agency or do they not?

Or is the real answer that you hate liberals more than fascists?

You misunderstand my argument entirely. Voters of course have a limited degree of agency, but their choice is greatly constrained and narrowed to the candidates deemed acceptable by big business. All the parties and candidates put up for office with any reasonable chance of winning, are "evil" insofar as they serve the interests primarily of capital, and therefore serve to harm the interests of the working class.

"Good" and "evil", of course, do not categorically exist anyway, and it will indeed be a helpful thing when humanity abandons this religion-based dichotomy of a bygone era.

[ReallySuper]

pro-choice voter = FF. i couldnt care less if you voted for trump in kentucky or kansas as long as ur supporting reproductive freedom in a referendum (which directly affects peoples lives a lot more than the presidential electoral charade)