Gallup: 55% of Americans disapprove Israeli action in Gaza

[Horus]

Screw both Israel and Hamas. Let them deal with their own issues. We have own country to worry about

Isolationism doesn't work in the 21st century. This is basic entry-level knowledge.

This would be a good point if leftists didn't oppose American involvement in literally every other international issue except Israel/Palestine

The vast majority of pro Palestine people, both on this forum and in America as a whole, also support arming Ukraine. As usual, you're wrong.

[Kahane's Grave Is A Gender-Neutral Bathroom]

Why are all polls on this issue so schizophrenic? We just saw a poll a few days ago with 60%+ of the respondents saying Israel was at least partially justified.

"Israel has the right to defend itself" and "what Israel is doing right now isn't defending itself" aren't mutually exclusive.

[Stand With Israel. Crush Hamas]

Screw both Israel and Hamas. Let them deal with their own issues. We have own country to worry about

Isolationism doesn't work in the 21st century. This is basic entry-level knowledge.

This would be a good point if leftists didn't oppose American involvement in literally every other international issue except Israel/Palestine

The vast majority of pro Palestine people, both on this forum and in America as a whole, also support arming Ukraine. As usual, you're wrong.

So do the vast majority of pro-Israel people. Support for Ukraine is probably as close to a true bipartisan issue as there is today - it's just that the 10% of sociopathic dissenters have a giant microphone and way too much influence in one house of Congress due to the close numbers.

[Pres Mike]

I think everybody on Earth -- including Americans, Gazans, and all peoples -- should embrace the bombardment of Gaza in the depths of their souls as necessary for the preservation of all civilization

Yeah, I'm putting you on ignore. I can't believe I ever took you seriously

[Horus]

I think everybody on Earth -- including Americans, Gazans, and all peoples -- should embrace the bombardment of Gaza in the depths of their souls as necessary for the preservation of all civilization

Yeah, I'm putting you on ignore. I can't believe I ever took you seriously

Damn, even Ray liked this comment.

Vosem really is a despicable guy.

[Antonio the Sixth]

Yeah, there's being edgy and contrarian and then there's just being a ghoul. That's quite enough of this sh*t for me.

[Horus]

Screw both Israel and Hamas. Let them deal with their own issues. We have own country to worry about

Isolationism doesn't work in the 21st century. This is basic entry-level knowledge.

This would be a good point if leftists didn't oppose American involvement in literally every other international issue except Israel/Palestine

The vast majority of pro Palestine people, both on this forum and in America as a whole, also support arming Ukraine. As usual, you're wrong.

So do the vast majority of pro-Israel people. Support for Ukraine is probably as close to a true bipartisan issue as there is today - it's just that the 10% of sociopathic dissenters have a giant microphone and way too much influence in one house of Congress due to the close numbers.

I certainly hope so. The pro Russia/pro Israel crowd seems very strong inside the GOP. Both Trump and Musk fit in this quadrant.

[Ferguson97]

I think everybody on Earth -- including Americans, Gazans, and all peoples -- should embrace the bombardment of Gaza in the depths of their souls as necessary for the preservation of all civilization, and that it's an action which is obviously not merely justified but totally morally obligatory.

Dude what the f-ck.

[Horus]

I think everybody on Earth -- including Americans, Gazans, and all peoples -- should embrace the bombardment of Gaza in the depths of their souls as necessary for the preservation of all civilization, and that it's an action which is obviously not merely justified but totally morally obligatory.

Dude what the f-ck.

This has been his spiel since the beginning, you must not ever read the I/P thread.

[OSR stands with Israel]

while the kinds of support I think are not reasonable to argue with are more controversial (I think everybody on Earth -- including Americans, Gazans, and all peoples -- should embrace the bombardment of Gaza in the depths of their souls as necessary for the preservation of all civilization, and that it's an action which is obviously not merely justified but totally morally obligatory).

You can argue the bombardment is justified but that does not make it moral . There is a difference between justified and moral and in war a lot of times that may be the case but they should not be viewed as one of the same .

For example I view Dresden as justified , but it was absolutely not moral

[AncestralDemocrat.]

Unfortunate, as American support for Israel seems disproportionately focused on the areas where I think it is sort of questionable, or should reasonably be subject to review (eg, polls have >70% of Americans thinking an Israel is in our strategic interests, and 60-65% supporting further military aid, both of which I guess I agree with but neither of which strike me as obvious), while the kinds of support I think are not reasonable to argue with are more controversial (I think everybody on Earth -- including Americans, Gazans, and all peoples -- should embrace the bombardment of Gaza in the depths of their souls as necessary for the preservation of all civilization, and that it's an action which is obviously not merely justified but totally morally obligatory).

I still tend to think that Israeli military actions tend to increase support for Israel in most societies (at least Western societies) -- the evidence for this is very strong -- but this seems to be true in spite of those actions themselves being somewhat controversial; as I've detailed to Wiswylfen and Snowstalker this is more because of the content of the opposition to those actions rather than support for those actions themselves as such. (Ie, the real nature of the general pro-Israel surge in the US and Western Europe in the 21st century is not really pro-Israeli but anti-Palestinian).

Unsurprisingly, I don't worship at the altar of bloodshed so I don't really associate mass bombardment with moral obligation and the soul.

[redjohn]

It should be 65%+ (and will be, with time). Americans are tired of disproportional, open-ended wars. I don't think the average American is aware of the extent to which Israel is killing civilians and destroying civilian infrastructure yet.

There is a shift happening even amongst some Republicans, with gradual admitting even from Trump that what Israel is doing is a huge mistake. Make no mistake, this will reverberate and eventually affect U.S. aid to Israel, even if it's far too gradual for my liking.

[Beet]

75% disapprove among Democrats is just brutal. I would imagine Republican support is held up by the fact that Republican officials have almost unanimously supported Israeli action, and up until very recently Trump did. Trump watches social media and he probably noticed Tucker Carlson, Candace Owens, Joe Rogan, Alex Jones and Scott Adams all abandoned Israel last week. The MAGA wall has crumbled. And what's frightening is that there is true anti-Semitism behind it, not just the anti-Zionism of the left. I've seen the absolute worst racial and religious stereotypes being viciously peddled by the resurgent Old Right. American Jews absolutely do not deserve this at all. So while my fellow cease-fire now supporters continue to call for Biden to end aid to Israel, we must also push back against the genuine anti-Semitism we see emerging on the Right, or else we will be just as bad as they said we were.

[Horus]

while the kinds of support I think are not reasonable to argue with are more controversial (I think everybody on Earth -- including Americans, Gazans, and all peoples -- should embrace the bombardment of Gaza in the depths of their souls as necessary for the preservation of all civilization, and that it's an action which is obviously not merely justified but totally morally obligatory).

You can argue the bombardment is justified but that does not make it moral . There is a difference between justified and moral and in war a lot of times that may be the case but they should not be viewed as one of the same .

For example I view Dresden as justified , but it was absolutely not moral

When you've lost OSR...

[AtorBoltox]

Screw both Israel and Hamas. Let them deal with their own issues. We have own country to worry about

Isolationism doesn't work in the 21st century. This is basic entry-level knowledge.

This would be a good point if leftists didn't oppose American involvement in literally every other international issue except Israel/Palestine

The vast majority of pro Palestine people, both on this forum and in America as a whole, also support arming Ukraine. As usual, you're wrong.

The ven diagram of Palestine activists and people who believe America bombing Assad after he used chemical weapons on civilians was ‘imperialism’ would be a near perfect circle

[Stand With Israel. Crush Hamas]

Screw both Israel and Hamas. Let them deal with their own issues. We have own country to worry about

Isolationism doesn't work in the 21st century. This is basic entry-level knowledge.

This would be a good point if leftists didn't oppose American involvement in literally every other international issue except Israel/Palestine

The vast majority of pro Palestine people, both on this forum and in America as a whole, also support arming Ukraine. As usual, you're wrong.

The ven diagram of Palestine activists and people who believe America bombing Assad after he used chemical weapons on civilians was ‘imperialism’ would be a near perfect circle

That generally falls into the category of "Extremely wrong and extremely loud".

[Liminal Trans Girl]

So from what I can see, Vosem delivered what is commonly called a "Nuclear Take"

[AtorBoltox]

American Jews absolutely do not deserve this at all.

Yes, the loyal and good American Jews don’t deserve it, the bad ‘international’ Jews in Israel deserve it                          

[Horus]

American Jews absolutely do not deserve this at all.

Yes, the loyal and good American Jews don’t deserve it, the bad ‘international’ Jews in Israel deserve it                          

The most ultranationalist Jews literally live in Israel lmao

[○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└]

75% disapprove among Democrats is just brutal.

It's too bad that that doesn't include the most powerful Democrats. Earlier this year, AIPAC gave $5 million to the next Senator from California, Adam Schiff.

[Kahane's Grave Is A Gender-Neutral Bathroom]

I think everybody on Earth -- including Americans, Gazans, and all peoples -- should embrace the bombardment of Gaza in the depths of their souls as necessary for the preservation of all civilization, and that it's an action which is obviously not merely justified but totally morally obligatory.

Dude what the f-ck.

This has been his spiel since the beginning, you must not ever read the I/P thread.

Yeah, I don't know why this disgraceful stuff is surprising. I stopped replying to Vosem after the privatize the US government posts.

[Comrade Funk]

Well at least Vosem isn't hiding his desire for genocide now. Just openly supporting it.