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Question: Pick two of the following who you think will be leading 2012 presidential candidates if the GOP wins in '08
#1
Evan Bayh
 
#2
Wesley Clark
 
#3
Hillary Clinton
 
#4
Tom Daschle
 
#5
John Edwards
 
#6
Russ Feingold
 
#7
Al Gore
 
#8
Brad Henry
 
#9
John Kerry
 
#10
Blanche Lincoln
 
#11
Claire McCaskill
 
#12
Janet Napolitano
 
#13
Barack Obama
 
#14
Martin O'Malley
 
#15
Deval Patrick
 
#16
Ed Rendell
 
#17
Bill Richardson
 
#18
Bill Ritter
 
#19
Brian Schweitzer
 
#20
Kathleen Sebelius
 
#21
Eliot Spitzer
 
#22
Mark Udall
 
#23
Mark Warner
 
#24
Jim Webb
 
#25
NOTA
 
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Mr. Morden
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« on: June 14, 2007, 07:04:45 PM »

By popular demand, I am resurrecting this poll.  I originally did this poll in March:

https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=54676.0

but was asked to start it up again, in case opinions have shifted.  Last time, Obama and Warner ran well ahead of everyone else.  Will the same still be true three months later?  Anyway, here's the explanation of the poll:

OK, for the purpose of this poll, assume the Republicans win the 2008 presidential election.  Whichever scenario for a GOP victory in '08 that you think is most likely, assume that that happens.  Now here's the question: In the spring of 2009 (less than two years from now), who do you think will be regarded as the early leading contenders for the 2012 Democratic nomination?  Pick two choices: the "famous frontrunner" and the "unknown frontrunner".

The "famous frontrunner" is whoever you think will be regarded as the early favorite among the potential candidates who are already well known nationally by the spring of '09.  This will probably be whoever is leading in the really early 2012 polls taken in early 2009.  (In early 2005, this would have been Hillary Clinton for the Dems, and either Giuliani or McCain for the GOP.)  This doesn't have to be someone who's already well known as of 2007!  It could be someone you think will become famous within the next two years.  Maybe as the 2008 VP candidate or one of the unsuccessful '08 presidential candidates.  (For example, Richardson isn't that well known now, but he'll likely become famous if he does OK in the '08 primaries, so you could pick him.)

The "unknown frontrunner" is someone who you think will still be relatively unknown by the spring of 2009, but will be regarded by political insiders as a leading candidate for the nomination (for whatever reason).  Throughout much of 2005 and into early 2006, George Allen and Mark Warner were arguably the "unknown frontrunners" for the GOP and Democratic nominations for '08 respectively.  They had very little national name recognition and didn't do well in national polls, but political insiders were predicting that they would be leading candidates for their nominations.  (Obviously, it didn't work out that way in this case.)

I know I should maybe have split this into two separate polls, but I prefer combining the discussion in one place.  Just click two boxes in the poll, one for the "famous frontrunner" and one for the "unknown frontrunner".  (Apologies if your favorite candidate is not included.  I obviously couldn't cover everybody.  And I have made a couple of changes to the possible choices since March, but they're mostly the same.)

My picks (haven't changed since March):
famous frontrunner: Barack Obama (most likely '08 candidate to have a decent chance the next time if he doesn't make it this time, IMHO)
unknown frontrunner: I think it might be Mark Warner again.  Though Eliot Spitzer is a possibility, as NY governors tend to get noticed by the national media.
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« Reply #1 on: June 14, 2007, 07:08:16 PM »

For the sake of history, these were the results when this poll was done in March:

(name, followed by # of votes)

Obama 7
Warner 7
Spitzer 3
Bayh 2
Henry 2
Clark 1
Daschle 1
Feingold 1
Kerry 1
Ritter 1
Schweitzer 1
Sebelius 1
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« Reply #2 on: June 14, 2007, 07:11:07 PM »

Spitzer will be the famous candidate.

Henry will be the unknown candidate.
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« Reply #3 on: June 14, 2007, 11:57:56 PM »

Who voted for Gore? Angry  Would you give it up already?
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« Reply #4 on: June 15, 2007, 01:41:11 AM »

Well, John Edwards will be a candidate for the rest of his life, so I chose him and Obama.
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« Reply #5 on: June 15, 2007, 02:27:51 AM »

I'd say it will be out of these 4 candidates that will be the frontrunners for the 2012 Democratic Presidential nomination, if they lose to the Republicans in 2008.

- Governor Brad Henry (Oklahoma)
- Governor Eliot Spitzer (New York)
- Former Governor Mark Warner (Virginia)
- Senator Barack Obama (Illinois)
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« Reply #6 on: June 16, 2007, 10:48:45 PM »

I still think that Barack Obama and Mark Warner would be leading contenders. Though I also agree that Brad Henry and Eliot Spitzer would be strong candidates. I think they would likely be the first tier candidates.
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« Reply #7 on: June 26, 2007, 05:16:20 PM »

Well, John Edwards will be a candidate for the rest of his life, so I chose him and Obama.

For the rest of his life?  Are you planning to assassinate him?
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« Reply #8 on: June 26, 2007, 09:14:55 PM »

I'd like them to nominate Henry or Schweitzer in '12, but I doubt it.
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« Reply #9 on: June 27, 2007, 02:30:18 AM »

There are many good choices there. It's too hard for me to pick for my second vote so I'll just go with the clear favorite - Mark Warner. He'll likely either be Senator or Governor by 2010, thrusting him back into the spotlight and he might even be the Dem VP nominee in 2008.
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« Reply #10 on: July 07, 2007, 06:37:32 PM »

I picked Obama and Webb.  Both are very charasmatic speakers but I think that the Naval acadamy will trip up Webb.
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« Reply #11 on: July 07, 2007, 11:00:23 PM »
« Edited: July 14, 2007, 07:15:06 PM by Frodo »

1. Barack Obama -he will lose the 2008 nomination to Hillary Clinton, but if she loses in the general election that year (which would be nothing short of incredible given how favored Democrats are to win), he could be the instant front-runner if he decides to run again in 2012.  Since I doubt that even a Democrat as controversial as her would lose next year, I am thinking more of 2016 as a suitable year for both these candidates (Barack Obama and Brad Henry) to run. 

2. Brad Henry -a two term Oklahoma governor and a moderate-to-conservative Democrat.  He would serve to rally those Democrats who want a candidate with more cross-party appeal to independents as well as Republicans, and less beholden to the liberal base. 
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« Reply #12 on: July 09, 2007, 06:12:19 PM »

2. Brad Henry -a two term Oklahoma governor and a former congressman (as well as a member of the Blue Dog congressional caucus).  He would serve to rally those Democrats who want a candidate with more cross-party appeal to independents as well as Republicans, and less beholden to the liberal base. 

Was Henry a Congressman? Or are you thinking of Brad Carson?
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« Reply #13 on: July 09, 2007, 09:35:04 PM »

2. Brad Henry -a two term Oklahoma governor and a former congressman (as well as a member of the Blue Dog congressional caucus).  He would serve to rally those Democrats who want a candidate with more cross-party appeal to independents as well as Republicans, and less beholden to the liberal base. 

Was Henry a Congressman? Or are you thinking of Brad Carson?

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Yeah, I guess I confused Brad Henry with Brad Carson.  Somehow I thought Brad Henry had a congressional background before becoming governor.  My mistake -I'll go edit that post momentarily.......   
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