Why don’t Trump supported believe Biden will just steal the election again?

[Fmr. Gov. NickG]

If Trump supporters earnestly believe Biden stole the election in 2020, why don’t they think he will just steal it again in 2024?
 
Trump obviously completely failed to convince any court that they election was stolen, and the courts have more Democratic appointees now than they did four years ago.  On top of that, more swing state officials are now Democrats, and the VP is now a Democrat.

It should be even easier for Biden to steal it in 2024, and even harder for Trump to prove it.  So what would be the point in voting for Trump at all if that vote isn’t actually going to count?

[The Economy is Getting Worse]

The hardcore MAGA base believes that if Trump wins by enough, it will be beyond the margin of rigging.

[Wrong about 2024 Ghost]

If Trump supporters earnestly believe Biden stole the election in 2020, why don’t they think he will just steal it again in 2024?
 
Trump obviously completely failed to convince any court that they election was stolen, and the courts have more Democratic appointees now than they did four years ago.  On top of that, more swing state officials are now Democrats, and the VP is now a Democrat.

It should be even easier for Biden to steal it in 2024, and even harder for Trump to prove it.  So what would be the point in voting for Trump at all if that vote isn’t actually going to count?

The essence of MAGA lies in its lack of reason. If RepublicanMAGA voters were the sort of people who practiced basic reasoning, they would not be RepublicanMAGA voters in the first place.

From Umberto Eco's 14 typical features of Ur-Fascism:

7. The obsession with a plot. “Thus at the root of the Ur-Fascist psychology there is the obsession with a plot, possibly an international one. The followers must feel besieged.”

8. The enemy is both strong and weak. “By a continuous shifting of rhetorical focus, the enemies are at the same time too strong and too weak.”

14. Ur-Fascism speaks Newspeak. “All the Nazi or Fascist schoolbooks made use of an impoverished vocabulary, and an elementary syntax, in order to limit the instruments for complex and critical reasoning.”

[Progressive Pessimist]

Because people are "aware" now.

[Coconut Decider]

For a decent amount of them, I believe that they know it wasn't stolen deep down, but they just can't bring themselves to admit it.

[ProgressiveModerate]

For a decent amount of them, I believe that they know it wasn't stolen deep down, but they just can't bring themselves to admit it.

I went to a talk the other day from a widely respected academic about logic and why it so often seems we lack it.

One of the key points he made is that people can very easily hold irrational beliefs to "fit in" with a  group, be it a friend group, religious group, political party, ect, without questioning the merits.

I think it's underdiscussed but the Republican Party under Trump has really offered a home for a lot of people who have been on the fringes of society for quite a while, and I think for things like election denialism, people don't vote R because they believe in election denialism, but instead choose to believe in election denialism to continue to be part of that community.

[Trump v. Wong Kim Ark]

Because people are "aware" now.

Would you say that they are… woke?

[Dwarven Dragon]

The hardcore MAGA base believes that if Trump wins by enough, it will be beyond the margin of rigging.

This

[Mr.Bakari-Sellers]

Trump supporters don't know what a Trump Prez entails high deficits, tax cuts for the rich and Conserv judges, Gorsuch is on par with Alito and Thomas the worse Judicial pick of them all

Why any D sign onto a Trump agenda which doesn't benefit the poor

[Arizona Iced Tea]

To clarify I do not think the 2020 election was stolen. However, from what I've gathered from others the idea is to flood the system. In other words increase Trump's margin beyond some hypothetical "fraud" threshold. It's very hard already to "steal" an election decided by <10k, but if you make that 100k it becomes borderline impossible.

[izixs]

The core supporters of Trump rely heavily on cognitive dissonance to disregard anything said by anybody, including Trump, that doesn't conform with their world view. Folks that claim they support the constitution presented with statements by Trump saying he'll ignore the constitution rationalize the disconnect away. He says he'll cut social security, but they want to believe he's the only one who will protect it. So they believe that.

This is an important thing to remember when it comes to things like this question. If Trump wins, the election was 100% fair. If he loses, it was stolen. And what they think now on that question is irrelevant as they'll go with one of these beliefs after the election. And what they think now on this question is also irrelevant in terms of discouraging or encouraging them to vote as voting for Trump is not a choice to them. It is a sacred duty.

Folks really need to get it in their heads just how much of a cult the core maga folks are in at this point. So asking rational questions of them is really pointless.

[Pericles]

To clarify I do not think the 2020 election was stolen. However, from what I've gathered from others the idea is to flood the system. In other words increase Trump's margin beyond some hypothetical "fraud" threshold. It's very hard already to "steal" an election decided by <10k, but if you make that 100k it becomes borderline impossible.

If we try follow that logic then it's Trump's fault for losing by not getting more votes than he actually did in 2020. It shouldn't really matter if they think he got more valid votes or not, DeSantis should have been able to say he'd just win the legal votes by more.

[Consuming is good, it's what we're made for]

Because the game is only rigged if they lose

[Neocon Dem]

I think election denying is mostly just a coping mechanism dealing with the fact your side lost.

[Sir Mohamed]

That's a very good question, though it requires some rational talk of which MAGA cultist are incapable of. I've yet to receive an answer why the all the rigging in 2020 was even possible with Trump as incumbent prez on the first place? He was such a strong leader and so great in what he's doing, how didn't he prevent all the manipulation going on? And why didn't Dems do better downballot? Or even, why didn't they rig 2016 already?

As for the question at hand, most of the answers are aleady given in this thread. Or, I should better say "excuses" by people in his cult.

- Trump is going to win even bigger than in 2020 so Dems can't rig it anymore (which is even insane as well, because Biden as prez would now have more ressources and power to overcome an even greater deficit).

- People are now aware rigging is going on (also doesn't pass the real smell test and Trump even in the summer of 2020 said he wouldn't accept defeat and made such hints in 2016 already)

- I guess some deep down know 2020 wasn't rigged, probably even Trump himself. They just can't admit it though. That includes most election deniers in public office as well. Like Mike Johnson, he knows the election wasn't stolen, but saying so would anger the cult leader and end his political career.

[All Along The Watchtower]

I think it's underdiscussed but the Republican Party under Trump has really offered a home for a lot of people who have been on the fringes of society for quite a while

And yet, the Republican electorate continues to be dominated by white middle-class Christians—hardly the fringes of society.

[Duke 🇺🇸]

Most of them will believe Biden stole the election again if Trump loses. In their minds, it is impossible for Trump to lose without things being rigged.

[Fmr. Gov. NickG]

Most of them will believe Biden stole the election again if Trump loses. In their minds, it is impossible for Trump to lose without things being rigged.

I'm sure that's true, but my question is why they even think it's possible for Trump to win if everything is rigged against them.

[All Along The Watchtower]

Most of them will believe Biden stole the election again if Trump loses. In their minds, it is impossible for Trump to lose without things being rigged.

I'm sure that's true, but my question is why they even think it's possible for Trump to win if everything is rigged against them.

People who believe Princess Diana was murdered are more likely than the general public to believe she is still alive.

[ηєω ƒяσηтιєя]

I'm sure that's true, but my question is why they even think it's possible for Trump to win if everything is rigged against them.

It's because they (Trump supporters) think that they are the "silent majority" and so as long as "true patriots" show up and vote, it will be enough to overcome the "rigging".

[ProudModerate2]

To clarify I do not think the 2020 election was stolen. However, from what I've gathered from others the idea is to flood the system. In other words increase Trump's margin beyond some hypothetical "fraud" threshold. It's very hard already to "steal" an election decided by <10k, but if you make that 100k it becomes borderline impossible.

trump told Raffensperger over the phone that "we won by hundreds of thousands of votes" in Georgia.
So they are going to need much, much more than just 100K.
Hopefully though, Biden and the Dems can still find and get away with at least 300K in dead people voting in Georgia (you know ... like last time).

[ProudModerate2]

... I think it's underdiscussed but the Republican Party under Trump has really offered a home for a lot of people who have been on the fringes of society for quite a while, and I think for things like election denialism, people don't vote R because they believe in election denialism, but instead choose to believe in election denialism to continue to be part of that community.

This, times a thousand.
Some of us here, probably even know people in our community (or family) that would fall under this umbrella.
It's really sad, that they need to talk, act and be "nutty," (with their conspiracy theories) just to have the pleasure and acceptance of others (though, these "others" fall in the same nutty boat; a Cult).

[Mr. Smith]

They do to an extent, they just think that

A: They can outvote the rigging, just as Mod Dems keep saying.

B: Think Biden is too senile and incompetent to pull it off.

C: It's all projection anyway and just a key to actually rig the election after failing to do so last time.