Opinion of Joe Biden

[Fuzzy Bear]

Talk to ordinary Americans who have gone down the road with an elderly loved one affected with dementia, then tell me what you think.

Both my maternal grandparents had dementia. It’s extremely obvious to those of us who have had extensive experience with dementia that Biden doesn’t have it, and, indeed, the constant Republican use of ‘dementia’ as some casual slur comes across as pretty offensive.

Biden exhibits symptoms of being at some stage of dementia or Alzheimers, and he's noticibly declining over time.  I make efforts to not offend, but in this case, I don't care if you're offended.  Indeed, I really don't believe you're that offended; your argument is merely an attempt to stifle discussion that millions of ordinary Americans are concerned about, and should be concerned about.  Indeed, your Gaslighting is offensive, but that's part of the background scenery here, so I'll ride with that.

What is so disingenuous about people who whine about "conspiracy theorists" is that the conspiracy theories they ridicule about what is going on in America are about things they would readily believe would happen in other countries.  Now LIBERALS (it used to be conservatives) pooh-pooh the idea that individuals in the Secret Service were part of the plot to kill JFK, but no one doubts the idea that Anwar Sadat's bodyguards were complicit in his assassination.  If Vladimir Putin suddenly died of a heart attack, people who worship at the altar of the Lone Nut Oswald would be all agog at who was the brave Von Stauffenbergs that brought about Putin's demise.  We would not doubt that a secret cabal were running things in the USSR in the last year or two of Brezhnev, or during the reigns of the infirm Andropov or Chernenko.  Ditto for Mao's China in his latter years.

So why is it so impossible to believe that in order to paper over the deep divisions on the Left, and to placate Identity Politics concerns, the declining Biden would be chosen as a Front Man, while people get what they want through some sort of extra-Constitutional "committee".  A secret American Politburo, if you will.  After all, I've never heard a President say on numerous occasions that he'll get in trouble if he goes off script in some way.  (Do those comments from Biden NOT seem bizarre, given that HE'S the President, and not the others?)  And given the virtue signaling and pearl clutching over the need to be rid of Trump, how would it look if it were seen that the alternative put up was a declining Front Man doing the work of some sort of cabal behind the scenes?

Millions of Americans believe that because they believe what they see when they see Biden falling, shuffling, stammering, losing trains of thought, and making comments that reflect bringing the old to the present.  ("Play the record player!" is an example of that, and the examples of the flat-out forgetfulness are there for all to see.)  They wonder about this, and they are gaslighted if they openly wonder.  They are right to wonder. 

My grandmother had Alzheimer's for the majority of the time I knew her. This is a disease that turned a woman who routinely kissed her grandkids - sometimes to the point of excess, I'll say, but that's Polacks for you - to someone who had become a stranger to everyone. After a certain point, my mother decided it would be best for me not to accompany her on her visits. When we were at my cousin's wedding in 2009, my grandmother had asked who me and my father were. She did that because, in her mind, all her grandkids were still children when most of them were fully grown or in their late teens.

The delusions eventually drove her to try to attack one of her nurses with utensils. She had literally become a danger to others. The constant paranoia about her belongings being stolen never stopped. She asserted that my grandfather was out having an affair with another one of the nurses, even though he had already passed.

Now, the mods here protect YOUR right to trivialize a condition that caused MY family immense suffering. If I wanted to retaliate and call YOU senile on account of YOUR age, that would be against the rules. And you are gleefully taking advantage of the TOS to trivialize the suffering that mine and so many other families endured for political purposes. You should be ashamed of yourself.


I will say this, in case it wasn't already clear: what you read above is precisely what you do for every issue: make it about yourself. Whether it's about guns, or abortion, or mental health, it's always made out to be a personal vendetta against you and/or your family. This is a form of sophistry you employ as much as possible. It has derailed many threads. And it's time you were properly called out on it.

It's over, Anakin. I have the moral high ground.

It's not a trivial matter when a family member is senile.

The idea that elites could knowingly put forth a Presidential candidate likely afflicted with some condition that has resulted in obvious cognitive decline isn't about me; it's about America and who's running it.

Judging by your post (which was all about YOU), the day for properly calling me out isn't today.

[Drop Billionaires, Not Bombs]

Talk to ordinary Americans who have gone down the road with an elderly loved one affected with dementia, then tell me what you think.

Both my maternal grandparents had dementia. It’s extremely obvious to those of us who have had extensive experience with dementia that Biden doesn’t have it, and, indeed, the constant Republican use of ‘dementia’ as some casual slur comes across as pretty offensive.

Biden exhibits symptoms of being at some stage of dementia or Alzheimers, and he's noticibly declining over time.  I make efforts to not offend, but in this case, I don't care if you're offended.  Indeed, I really don't believe you're that offended; your argument is merely an attempt to stifle discussion that millions of ordinary Americans are concerned about, and should be concerned about.  Indeed, your Gaslighting is offensive, but that's part of the background scenery here, so I'll ride with that.

What is so disingenuous about people who whine about "conspiracy theorists" is that the conspiracy theories they ridicule about what is going on in America are about things they would readily believe would happen in other countries.  Now LIBERALS (it used to be conservatives) pooh-pooh the idea that individuals in the Secret Service were part of the plot to kill JFK, but no one doubts the idea that Anwar Sadat's bodyguards were complicit in his assassination.  If Vladimir Putin suddenly died of a heart attack, people who worship at the altar of the Lone Nut Oswald would be all agog at who was the brave Von Stauffenbergs that brought about Putin's demise.  We would not doubt that a secret cabal were running things in the USSR in the last year or two of Brezhnev, or during the reigns of the infirm Andropov or Chernenko.  Ditto for Mao's China in his latter years.

So why is it so impossible to believe that in order to paper over the deep divisions on the Left, and to placate Identity Politics concerns, the declining Biden would be chosen as a Front Man, while people get what they want through some sort of extra-Constitutional "committee".  A secret American Politburo, if you will.  After all, I've never heard a President say on numerous occasions that he'll get in trouble if he goes off script in some way.  (Do those comments from Biden NOT seem bizarre, given that HE'S the President, and not the others?)  And given the virtue signaling and pearl clutching over the need to be rid of Trump, how would it look if it were seen that the alternative put up was a declining Front Man doing the work of some sort of cabal behind the scenes?

Millions of Americans believe that because they believe what they see when they see Biden falling, shuffling, stammering, losing trains of thought, and making comments that reflect bringing the old to the present.  ("Play the record player!" is an example of that, and the examples of the flat-out forgetfulness are there for all to see.)  They wonder about this, and they are gaslighted if they openly wonder.  They are right to wonder. 

My grandmother had Alzheimer's for the majority of the time I knew her. This is a disease that turned a woman who routinely kissed her grandkids - sometimes to the point of excess, I'll say, but that's Polacks for you - to someone who had become a stranger to everyone. After a certain point, my mother decided it would be best for me not to accompany her on her visits. When we were at my cousin's wedding in 2009, my grandmother had asked who me and my father were. She did that because, in her mind, all her grandkids were still children when most of them were fully grown or in their late teens.

The delusions eventually drove her to try to attack one of her nurses with utensils. She had literally become a danger to others. The constant paranoia about her belongings being stolen never stopped. She asserted that my grandfather was out having an affair with another one of the nurses, even though he had already passed.

Now, the mods here protect YOUR right to trivialize a condition that caused MY family immense suffering. If I wanted to retaliate and call YOU senile on account of YOUR age, that would be against the rules. And you are gleefully taking advantage of the TOS to trivialize the suffering that mine and so many other families endured for political purposes. You should be ashamed of yourself.


I will say this, in case it wasn't already clear: what you read above is precisely what you do for every issue: make it about yourself. Whether it's about guns, or abortion, or mental health, it's always made out to be a personal vendetta against you and/or your family. This is a form of sophistry you employ as much as possible. It has derailed many threads. And it's time you were properly called out on it.

It's over, Anakin. I have the moral high ground.

It's not a trivial matter when a family member is senile.

The idea that elites could knowingly put forth a Presidential candidate likely afflicted with some condition that has resulted in obvious cognitive decline isn't about me; it's about America and who's running it.

Judging by your post (which was all about YOU), the day for properly calling me out isn't today.

You are bad at recognizing irony. That's usually more associated with autism, but I suppose it can be other things, too.

[SWE]

Imagining insisting that other users "Talk to ordinary Americans who have gone down the road with an elderly loved one affected with dementia" and then when other users respond that they have experienced exactly that, completely disregarding that because they don't support the reality you have already settled on in your mind. Even by Fuzzy Bear standards this is pathetic.

[Benjamin Frank 2.0]

Imagining insisting that other users "Talk to ordinary Americans who have gone down the road with an elderly loved one affected with dementia" and then when other users respond that they have experienced exactly that, completely disregarding that because they don't support the reality you have already settled on in your mind. Even by Fuzzy Bear standards this is pathetic.

And this doesn't even take into account that he supports bankrupt, rapist, traitor demented Trump.

[buritobr]

Considering all his policies, FF

I disagree with his position on the Middle East conflict. He was too Israel during 5 months. But it reflects the view of the American society and every president should respond to it.

[7,052,770]

Talk to ordinary Americans who have gone down the road with an elderly loved one affected with dementia, then tell me what you think.

There are dozens of ordinary Americans on this forum (of all avatar colors) who've done that and say that Biden doesn't remind us of our relatives at all. We've all reminded you of this repeatedly, but for whatever reason it just doesn't stick in your mind.

[Crumpets]

We'll see how the rest of his time in office goes, but he's very clearly top-two among presidents within my lifetime (starting with Clinton).

Talk to ordinary Americans who have gone down the road with an elderly loved one affected with dementia, then tell me what you think.

There are dozens of ordinary Americans on this forum (of all avatar colors) who've done that and say that Biden doesn't remind us of our relatives at all. We've all reminded you of this repeatedly, but for whatever reason it just doesn't stick in your mind.

Seconded.

[Comrade Luanne Platter]

Milquetoast FF.

Best President of my life, which is saying something, but 'alas.

[DaleCooper]

One of the most interesting (and depressing) things about dementia is how quickly the patients fall apart when they're moved from a familiar setting to an unfamiliar one. The idea that Biden, at age 82, would decline this slowly after becoming the President of the United States if he had Alzheimer's is really quite absurd.

[Big Abraham]

Living proof that age does not equal wisdom.

[Casino Democrat]

Horrible President.

The decision to renominate Jerome Powell to the Fed has got to rank as one of the worst decisions a President has made since. . . . . . . . Jerome Powell was nominated to the Fed.  No amount of "Build Back Better", Pandemic Recovery Aid, Infrastructure Spending, or whatever the hell else no one is going to remember that when the average housing mortgage costs $2,200 a month.

Housing in this country is more unaffordable than it has ever been.  Donald Trump did everything he could to cause the market to over inflate in price and push the dream of owning a home out of reach for tens of millions of Americans.  Rather than correct this mistake by Trump Biden instead looked at the guy Trump put in charge of the Fed and was like "yeah I trust this guy he knows what he's doing".  To me this is more of a mark of insanity than so-called "dementia".
You can laugh this off as hyperbole all you want but a low unemployment rate, record sales, whatever other metrics you want to use to defend this guy won't matter much when tens of millions of able bodied Americans working multiple jobs live can't afford the rent, it costs half a month's salary to make a monthly car payment, and people with $100k plus salaries are getting evicted.  We've seen this coming for years, anyone with an internet connection can YouTube "Google Engineers living in vans".  Biden and his team knew this was a problem.  And they went with the guy who helped make the problem much worse.

That's horrible decision making plain and simple.  And I for one am not going to forget it just because he passed a few shiny objects or Democrats desperately want this guy to be popular.  He isn't and he doesn't deserve to be.  He is only somewhat passable for many because his opponent is advocating open insurrection and bitching about an election he lost a little over three years ago.

And no, I'm not blaming any sort of "dementia" for this.  Joe Biden deserves to be held accountable for his screw ups.  And yeah, I'll probably vote for him as will millions of other cynics.  Not as any sort of endorsement. . . . . but because the other side is literally worse than him, somehow.

[falling apart like the ashes of American flags]

My father's older brother died in suicide over a decade ago. His widow is still alive...but she has Alzheimer's. A couple years ago she was confused by her grandkids visiting because like Scott's, she thought they were still babies and had no clue about them growing up. Now?

She doesn't know who her daughters are. They can visit her but they're complete strangers. She has zero memory or recollection of them. They might as well just random strangers who wandered into the assisted living facility as far as she's concerned and any visits resulted in her requesting they leave. She has no memory of her ex-husband either. Her daughters have effectively lost both parents.

Saying that Biden has Alzheimer's is not only blatantly false, it's quite offensive considering the implications of it.

[All Along The Watchtower]

Gotta admit that Fuzzy arguing with another R-FL avatar initially had me confused.

[Long Live The King!]

I lean HP in the sense that he has not governed the same way I would. Too much protectionism, too much dovishness in the early points of his presidency (through foreign policy has not been that bad overall), too much short-sighted deficit spending in the economy sacrificing long-term economic stability for short-term growth, and not enough attention to some issues that clearly matter to a lot of Americans (such as securing the border).

With that said, he is neither the worst nor the best president that the US has seen in a while - probably better than Obama policy-wise, less chaotic than (but equally as short-sighted as) Trump, I feel like the issues he is ignoring will come back to bite him at some point if he is re-elected. He is managing the country and barely keeping it together but not solving its core problems.

[Benjamin Frank 2.0]

I lean HP in the sense that he has not governed the same way I would. Too much protectionism, too much dovishness in the early points of his presidency (through foreign policy has not been that bad overall), too much short-sighted deficit spending in the economy sacrificing long-term economic stability for short-term growth, and not enough attention to some issues that clearly matter to a lot of Americans (such as securing the border).

With that said, he is neither the worst nor the best president that the US has seen in a while - probably better than Obama policy-wise, less chaotic than (but equally as short-sighted as) Trump, I feel like the issues he is ignoring will come back to bite him at some point if he is re-elected. He is managing the country and barely keeping it together but not solving its core problems.

I disagree that Biden has not used the deficit spending to 'solve' (I'd rather use the term 'address') core problems.

There is the CHIPS legislation on high tech competitiveness, the infrastructure legislation on both 'hard' and 'soft' infrastructure, and the tax credits to address global warming.

Biden has also done things through executive orders like banning or limiting non compete agreements, doing limited attempts on 'right to repair' and reversing the Reagan Administration interpretation on anti trust.

However, on the spending, I'm not normally one to blame the other side, but we've seen this three times previously of Democratic Administrations having at least some concern for the size of the deficit (obviously most notably President Clinton) only to have Republicans blow up the deficit with massive tax cuts for the wealthiest.

Jimmy Carter kept deficits relatively low and then Reagan campaigned lying that he'd balance the budget, but later, his OMB Director David Stockman admitted that part of the reason the Reagan Administration had no problem with massive deficits was to constrain future Democratic administrations from adding additional social spending.

I think we all know what happened after Clinton got the United States to a situation of 'surpluses as far as the eyes can see.'

Finally, even though deficits remained large under Obama post Great Recession (about $450 billion in 2016) Trump pre Covid had a $991 billion deficit despite having a stronger economy than Obama.

It was only natural at some point Democrats would put two and two together that there are a lot of core problems that can be addressed through government spending and that there's no point in cutting the deficit (yet alone attempting to balance the budget) when it just means Republicans will pass further tax cuts for the wealthiest.

[Mr.Bakari-Sellers]

Trump is going to jail not Biden, but if Trump wins up winning he will investigate Biden but that has very little chance of happening Biden has a 60/38 happening of reelected