Have voters already forgotten the chaos of the Trump years?

[Redban]

You look at the wrong track/right track polls -- the pre-pandemic Trump years were the best Americans felt about their country in decades (outside of Obama's honeymoon periods when he first got elected).

To make Trump's presidency look as bad as possible, Democrats try to characterize Trump's whole presidency with 2020 and COVID. But the reality is that most people separate 2017-2019 from 2020

[Del Tachi]

You look at the wrong track/right track polls -- the pre-pandemic Trump years were the best Americans felt about their country in decades (outside of Obama's honeymoon periods when he first got elected).

To make Trump's presidency look as bad as possible, Democrats try to characterize Trump's whole presidency with 2020 and COVID. But the reality is that most people separate 2017-2019 from 2020

And 2020 is less and less important as Americans increasingly regard covid as a "black swan" event that they'd prefer to forget.

[Obiden2020]

Bakari my brudda man, you gotta check the spelling on losing there. I don't know what loos-ing is. But I'll never forget its a 303 map!

For sure it feels that way, and the media is also doing their part in pretending like things were great before the pandemic struck. Did voters outside partisan Dems already forget how chaotic the Trump presidency was? With all the drama, the scandals, the name calling and alike? It also seems to me comparing the pre-Covid economy or inflation with today is like apples and oranges. Not only won't Trump turn back the clock, why are we forgetting that his Covid response was such a disaster? Yes, the pandemic isn't his fault, but he failed when leadership was needed.

I feel like social media and the 24/7 newscycle make people forget a lot of things that weren't great in the past. More so, if Trump really ends up winning the election, I predict that everyone outside partisan GOPers and his cult will feel the exact opposite 6 months into Trump's term and wish Biden was back/still in office.

I agree with the last sentence, but Biden will still lose because he is blamed for the bad things happening under his watch. Even if the inflation was caused by the CARES Act and the massive money printing in 2020, Biden will still be blamed for it because the inflation happened under his watch. I think things will get bad enough that Trump's cult dissolves.

You are so SL like BIDEN ISNT LOOSING UNTIL WE VOTE NOT BASED ON PARTISAN MC POLLS

[Sprouts Farmers Market ✘]

2017-2019 were full of hope for a bright future. People had goals and balance in their lives and realistic dreams in their minds.

2022-2024 has made us feel like hopeless servants slaving away just to get by with no long-term joy to look forward to, just fleeting grasps of what could have been if we didn't have the misfortune of being born in America. Nothing to strive for or accomplish - just killing ourselves to further consume (or survive) that doesn't change the internalized misery. Eternally without a deeply interwoven community in our isolated pods and virtually no chance to escape to something more fulfilling.

Our best days are behind us. There is no way to go back to the childlike innocence of the 2010s - but at least one familiar face helps us reminisce about the better times.

[President Johnson]

To a wide extent yes. Mainly because this is how human psychology works. We generally tend to regard the past better than it actually was. Or mainly erase all the things that went poorly from our memories.

What indeed is an issue is the perception the economy was doing better than today before the pandemic and stuff was a lot more affordable back in the day while pandemic itsself isn't seen as Trump's own fault. When it comes to chaos and his vile behavior, there's a group of people who may dislike it, but don't really bother as long as the economy is going well. These things don't affect their personal lives the way high prices at the pump or the supermarket affect them. Not all people even follow what the president says on a daily basis. And Trump had some many norms broken, the public in a way has gotten numb to it.

[OSR stands with Israel]

To a wide extent yes. Mainly because this is how human psychology works. We generally tend to regard the past better than it actually was. Or mainly erase all the things that went poorly from our memories.

What indeed is an issue is the perception the economy was doing better than today before the pandemic and stuff was a lot more affordable back in the day while pandemic itsself isn't seen as Trump's own fault. When it comes to chaos and his vile behavior, there's a group of people who may dislike it, but don't really bother as long as the economy is going well. These things don't affect their personal lives the way high prices at the pump or the supermarket affect them. Not all people even follow what the president says on a daily basis. And Trump had some many norms broken, the public in a way has gotten numb to it.

Except the economy was doing better in 2019 than today . Unemployment was basically as low as it is today with a lower inflation and higher labor participation rate and democrats trying to deny this fact doenst Help them at all .

Also here’s another issue that Democrats don’t want to directly head on and that’s immigration. While yes was a problem under Trump , it wasn’t anywhere near as bad as it is now and yes people are gonna blame Biden for this . It was Biden’s decisions to reverse many of Trump’s EOs on this issue , suspend deportations while calling for a pathway to citizenship so the fact is Democrats blaming congress for not passing a bill isn’t gonna work . At a minimum Biden has to restore Trump’s EO/have the military help out in securing the border because people don’t buy the argument that the issue is current laws as Biden is showing he’s not willing to enforce current laws to the fullest extent.

[oldtimer]

To be frank the things I remember from the Trump years is Dennis Rodman on CNN from N.Korea wearing a MAGA hat, fuzzy generic shouting matches on TV, Anthony Atamanuik, and Trump talking about bleach.

Pre-2020 all the chaos was confined in an abstract place far way from everyone, usually in TV studios and D.C. , with no impact on anyone elses life.

[TodayJunior]

No of course we haven’t forgotten this. We may have short memories collectively but not THAT short. Now the Bush years maybe.

We’re in the Trump era now. Dems do not lose elections anymore - it’s down to a finessed science.

[President Johnson]

To a wide extent yes. Mainly because this is how human psychology works. We generally tend to regard the past better than it actually was. Or mainly erase all the things that went poorly from our memories.

What indeed is an issue is the perception the economy was doing better than today before the pandemic and stuff was a lot more affordable back in the day while pandemic itsself isn't seen as Trump's own fault. When it comes to chaos and his vile behavior, there's a group of people who may dislike it, but don't really bother as long as the economy is going well. These things don't affect their personal lives the way high prices at the pump or the supermarket affect them. Not all people even follow what the president says on a daily basis. And Trump had some many norms broken, the public in a way has gotten numb to it.

Except the economy was doing better in 2019 than today . Unemployment was basically as low as it is today with a lower inflation and higher labor participation rate and democrats trying to deny this fact doenst Help them at all .

Also here’s another issue that Democrats don’t want to directly head on and that’s immigration. While yes was a problem under Trump , it wasn’t anywhere near as bad as it is now and yes people are gonna blame Biden for this . It was Biden’s decisions to reverse many of Trump’s EOs on this issue , suspend deportations while calling for a pathway to citizenship so the fact is Democrats blaming congress for not passing a bill isn’t gonna work . At a minimum Biden has to restore Trump’s EO/have the military help out in securing the border because people don’t buy the argument that the issue is current laws as Biden is showing he’s not willing to enforce current laws to the fullest extent.

Biden probably should do more via executive action, though it's also Republicans who walked away from the deal recently. Even James Lankford, a staunch conservative ideologue, basically agreed with Biden calling out House Republicans and helped to negotiate it. Also by polls the American public supports not only stricter border security, they also support comprehensive immigration reform and legal immigration as well as legal status for Dreamers. Unfortunately though the debate is extremely polarized with the extremes on both ideological ends dominating the discourse.

[CheapDollarEra?]

The late 2010s weren´t that great as some say, but they were better than the post pandemic era. An era of normalcy, some could say.
I feel that it was mostly an autopilot era, but isn´t that what republicans want?

[The Economy is Getting Worse]

You look at the wrong track/right track polls -- the pre-pandemic Trump years were the best Americans felt about their country in decades (outside of Obama's honeymoon periods when he first got elected).

To make Trump's presidency look as bad as possible, Democrats try to characterize Trump's whole presidency with 2020 and COVID. But the reality is that most people separate 2017-2019 from 2020

And 2020 is less and less important as Americans increasingly regard covid as a "black swan" event that they'd prefer to forget.

Trump's handling of COVID also looks much better in retrospect, as most people now think that masks and lockdowns went too far and Trump got the vaccine 1 week after he lost. If the election were held after the vaccine were out Trump might have won.

The economy did not even feel that bad, as most job losses were just temporary furloughs and many people were literally being paid more money to stay home than they would have at their jobs.

[heatcharger]

Dems do not lose elections anymore - it’s down to a finessed science.

Interesting.

[Progressive Pessimist]

Not thise who virulently hate Trump like myself and most Democrats, but a number big enough to swing the election-yes. It's what Trump relies on and requires to win.