Have voters already forgotten the chaos of the Trump years?

[Sir Mohamed]

For sure it feels that way, and the media is also doing their part in pretending like things were great before the pandemic struck. Did voters outside partisan Dems already forget how chaotic the Trump presidency was? With all the drama, the scandals, the name calling and alike? It also seems to me comparing the pre-Covid economy or inflation with today is like apples and oranges. Not only won't Trump turn back the clock, why are we forgetting that his Covid response was such a disaster? Yes, the pandemic isn't his fault, but he failed when leadership was needed.

I feel like social media and the 24/7 newscycle make people forget a lot of things that weren't great in the past. More so, if Trump really ends up winning the election, I predict that everyone outside partisan GOPers and his cult will feel the exact opposite 6 months into Trump's term and wish Biden was back/still in office.

[Illiniwek]

Of course they have. We are a nation of goldfish. We can only remember, hey look a shiny object!

[OSR stands with Israel]

The Pre COVID Trump presidency to the vast majority of people was like an era of calmness compared to what we have today . Also people thought the economy was great at the time , just look at polls about the economy in 2018-2019 and you will see that 60% of voters consistently thought the economy was great .

Also talking about the response to COVID , these days most people prefer Trump’s approach to Biden’s . Most people think the restrictions went on way to long and it has come out that many institutions did lie to use during COVID so again this isn’t the case .

I will say this and that is if not for Jan 6th , I would definitely be voting for Trump in the General this time as his presidency before November 3rd 2020 was better than Biden’s.

[wbrocks67]

The Pre COVID Trump presidency to the vast majority of people was like an era of calmness compared to what we have today . Also people thought the economy was great at the time , just look at polls about the economy in 2018-2019 and you will see that 60% of voters consistently thought the economy was great .

Also talking about the response to COVID , these days most people prefer Trump’s approach to Biden’s . Most people think the restrictions went on way to long and it has come out that many institutions did lie to use during COVID so again this isn’t the case .

I will say this and that is if not for Jan 6th , I would definitely be voting for Trump in the General this time as his presidency before November 3rd 2020 was better than Biden’s.

This is not true at all; Trump consistently got horrific marks on his handling on COVID, while Biden was usually net positive.

Also, the years leading up to 2020 were not calm; do we forget Trump's constant chaos in the news, his handling of foreign affairs, or domestic incidents like Charlottesville? People seem to be acting as if just because the economy was fine that nothing else was bad during that time period, which again is patently false.

You also just can't remove Trump's handling of COVID from his presidency. That was literally his biggest test to be a leader - and he failed this country over and over again. Not just that, but then how he handled George Floyd/BLM protests in the summer of 2020. It's frankly insane to me how some people are just waving away everything from 2020 as if Trump's presidency was only 2017-2019. 2020 frankly proved in ultimate fashion why he was such a horrible leader.

[Consuming is good, it's what we're made for]

Yes, they have. Voters have extremely short memories. People were ready to move on from January 6th within a couple of weeks, if not days. The past is the past, at least for Republicans.

[wbrocks67]

Yes, they have. Voters have extremely short memories. People were ready to move on from January 6th within a couple of weeks, if not days. The past is the past, at least for Republicans.

Yeah, Jan 6th is pretty crazy, especially given voters *do care* about it when they're reminded of it; a la the Jan 6 public hearings in 2022. But it's insane how so many people are trying to push the "yeah it was 3 years ago, lets move on" angle

[Sir Mohamed]

The Pre COVID Trump presidency to the vast majority of people was like an era of calmness compared to what we have today . Also people thought the economy was great at the time , just look at polls about the economy in 2018-2019 and you will see that 60% of voters consistently thought the economy was great .

Also talking about the response to COVID , these days most people prefer Trump’s approach to Biden’s . Most people think the restrictions went on way to long and it has come out that many institutions did lie to use during COVID so again this isn’t the case .

I will say this and that is if not for Jan 6th , I would definitely be voting for Trump in the General this time as his presidency before November 3rd 2020 was better than Biden’s.

This is not true at all; Trump consistently got horrific marks on his handling on COVID, while Biden was usually net positive.

Also, the years leading up to 2020 were not calm; do we forget Trump's constant chaos in the news, his handling of foreign affairs, or domestic incidents like Charlottesville? People seem to be acting as if just because the economy was fine that nothing else was bad during that time period, which again is patently false.

You also just can't remove Trump's handling of COVID from his presidency. That was literally his biggest test to be a leader - and he failed this country over and over again. Not just that, but then how he handled George Floyd/BLM protests in the summer of 2020. It's frankly insane to me how some people are just waving away everything from 2020 as if Trump's presidency was only 2017-2019. 2020 frankly proved in ultimate fashion why he was such a horrible leader.

Not even including the fact he enriched himself as prez and attempted to bribe a foreign govt to get dirt on his opponent, what got him impeached in the first place.

Even on the economy, he inherited growth and a good labor market from Obama. Jobs were even rising faster from 2014-17 on average than 2017-19.

[OSR stands with Israel]

The Pre COVID Trump presidency to the vast majority of people was like an era of calmness compared to what we have today . Also people thought the economy was great at the time , just look at polls about the economy in 2018-2019 and you will see that 60% of voters consistently thought the economy was great .

Also talking about the response to COVID , these days most people prefer Trump’s approach to Biden’s . Most people think the restrictions went on way to long and it has come out that many institutions did lie to use during COVID so again this isn’t the case .

I will say this and that is if not for Jan 6th , I would definitely be voting for Trump in the General this time as his presidency before November 3rd 2020 was better than Biden’s.

This is not true at all; Trump consistently got horrific marks on his handling on COVID, while Biden was usually net positive.

Also, the years leading up to 2020 were not calm; do we forget Trump's constant chaos in the news, his handling of foreign affairs, or domestic incidents like Charlottesville? People seem to be acting as if just because the economy was fine that nothing else was bad during that time period, which again is patently false.

You also just can't remove Trump's handling of COVID from his presidency. That was literally his biggest test to be a leader - and he failed this country over and over again. Not just that, but then how he handled George Floyd/BLM protests in the summer of 2020. It's frankly insane to me how some people are just waving away everything from 2020 as if Trump's presidency was only 2017-2019. 2020 frankly proved in ultimate fashion why he was such a horrible leader.

Yes at the time , not today . People at the time generally favored Covid restrictions which is not the case today and if Democrats want to attack Trump over this , then they open themselves up to attacks on Covid Restrictions going on as long as they did and a lot of the things they advocated for which turned out to be false later .

Also when it comes to the summer of 2020 , Trump’s problem was he was way way to weak on the rioters not that he was too anti blm . Anyway the people to blame for this are the media and the far left who gaslighted the country on blm and these days the country has turned on blm as well .

[The Economy is Getting Worse]

For sure it feels that way, and the media is also doing their part in pretending like things were great before the pandemic struck. Did voters outside partisan Dems already forget how chaotic the Trump presidency was? With all the drama, the scandals, the name calling and alike? It also seems to me comparing the pre-Covid economy or inflation with today is like apples and oranges. Not only won't Trump turn back the clock, why are we forgetting that his Covid response was such a disaster? Yes, the pandemic isn't his fault, but he failed when leadership was needed.

I feel like social media and the 24/7 newscycle make people forget a lot of things that weren't great in the past. More so, if Trump really ends up winning the election, I predict that everyone outside partisan GOPers and his cult will feel the exact opposite 6 months into Trump's term and wish Biden was back/still in office.

I agree with the last sentence, but Biden will still lose because he is blamed for the bad things happening under his watch. Even if the inflation was caused by the CARES Act and the massive money printing in 2020, Biden will still be blamed for it because the inflation happened under his watch. I think things will get bad enough that Trump's cult dissolves.

[Cyrusman]

For sure it feels that way, and the media is also doing their part in pretending like things were great before the pandemic struck. Did voters outside partisan Dems already forget how chaotic the Trump presidency was? With all the drama, the scandals, the name calling and alike? It also seems to me comparing the pre-Covid economy or inflation with today is like apples and oranges. Not only won't Trump turn back the clock, why are we forgetting that his Covid response was such a disaster? Yes, the pandemic isn't his fault, but he failed when leadership was needed.

I feel like social media and the 24/7 newscycle make people forget a lot of things that weren't great in the past. More so, if Trump really ends up winning the election, I predict that everyone outside partisan GOPers and his cult will feel the exact opposite 6 months into Trump's term and wish Biden was back/still in office.

Honestly, I don't think the average American cares all that much about these things. Most people don't sit and watch MSNBC, CNN, and Fox all day.

They care about their financial lives, cost of living, and vibe of how the country is doing. I specifically said vibe cause the country could be doing good or bad, but if the vibe is different that has an effect.
People who vote trump don't care about any name calling or drama or tweets. While the president of the united states shouldn't be doing those type of things, it honestly doesn't effect the lives of everyday people.

This isn't what cost Trump in 2020 either. His poor response of covid and a lack of empathy and leadership during that time cost him. And even that barely cost him.

[Mr.Bakari-Sellers]

They think Trump is gonna give out more checks not the partisans but the independent voters whom like tax cuts because they are middle class. The fact of the matter there aren't gonna give out anymore checks, but reparations is talked about should Biden raise taxes on wealthy

[Sir Mohamed]

For sure it feels that way, and the media is also doing their part in pretending like things were great before the pandemic struck. Did voters outside partisan Dems already forget how chaotic the Trump presidency was? With all the drama, the scandals, the name calling and alike? It also seems to me comparing the pre-Covid economy or inflation with today is like apples and oranges. Not only won't Trump turn back the clock, why are we forgetting that his Covid response was such a disaster? Yes, the pandemic isn't his fault, but he failed when leadership was needed.

I feel like social media and the 24/7 newscycle make people forget a lot of things that weren't great in the past. More so, if Trump really ends up winning the election, I predict that everyone outside partisan GOPers and his cult will feel the exact opposite 6 months into Trump's term and wish Biden was back/still in office.

I agree with the last sentence, but Biden will still lose because he is blamed for the bad things happening under his watch. Even if the inflation was caused by the CARES Act and the massive money printing in 2020, Biden will still be blamed for it because the inflation happened under his watch. I think things will get bad enough that Trump's cult dissolves.

Inflation was not only caused by the recovery programs of 2020 and 2021, it was a global trend during and after the pandemic. Latter disrupted many delivery chains on the entire globe and subsequently made goods more expensive. Before the pandemic even came to an end, the war in Ukraine resulted in a global energy crisis (and OPEC on top cutting oil production). These were factors outside the control of Trump and Biden, and would have happened even with no receovery package enacted at all.

[Mr.Bakari-Sellers]

For sure it feels that way, and the media is also doing their part in pretending like things were great before the pandemic struck. Did voters outside partisan Dems already forget how chaotic the Trump presidency was? With all the drama, the scandals, the name calling and alike? It also seems to me comparing the pre-Covid economy or inflation with today is like apples and oranges. Not only won't Trump turn back the clock, why are we forgetting that his Covid response was such a disaster? Yes, the pandemic isn't his fault, but he failed when leadership was needed.

I feel like social media and the 24/7 newscycle make people forget a lot of things that weren't great in the past. More so, if Trump really ends up winning the election, I predict that everyone outside partisan GOPers and his cult will feel the exact opposite 6 months into Trump's term and wish Biden was back/still in office.

I agree with the last sentence, but Biden will still lose because he is blamed for the bad things happening under his watch. Even if the inflation was caused by the CARES Act and the massive money printing in 2020, Biden will still be blamed for it because the inflation happened under his watch. I think things will get bad enough that Trump's cult dissolves.

You are so SL like BIDEN ISNT LOOSING UNTIL WE VOTE NOT BASED ON PARTISAN MC POLLS

[Del Tachi]

Any "chaos" that existed during the Trump presidency was mostly a media invention.  UMich consumer sentiment and Gallup's right track/wrong track numbers were better in 2019-20 than any point since the late 1990s.

[Mr.Bakari-Sellers]

Any "chaos" that existed during the Trump presidency was mostly the media invention.  UMich consumer sentiment and Gallup's right track/wrong track numbers were better in 2019-20 than any point since the late 1990s.

Lol Trump made all kinds of gaffes he told a Chinese woman during COVID lockdowns go ask China what we are in lockdown mode that's racism

[Beet]

The Trump years seemed very chaotic to me, but a lot of that was due to the fact that I regularly follow news and politics. For someone who just tuned it all out and wanted to get on with their lives, I can see how it could seem plenty stable compared to the Biden years of, rightly or wrongly, inflation this, war that, interest rates, fears of AI layoffs, and so on.

[Del Tachi]

The Trump years seemed very chaotic to me, but a lot of that was due to the fact that I regularly follow news and politics. For someone who just tuned it all out and wanted to get on with their lives, I can see how it could seem plenty stable compared to the Biden years of, rightly or wrongly, inflation this, war that, interest rates, fears of AI layoffs, and so on.

This is what's you people don't get.  The Trump years were chaos because media-consuming liberals wanted chaos.  Mainstream outlets were more than willing to serve it up, even to the point of manufacturing a fake "Russian collusion" conspiracy.  Outrage drives engagement.

[Mr.Bakari-Sellers]

No one is saying when Trump gets in, but should he get in, voters will be disappointed Trump won't pass anymore stimulus checks he's going after Entitlements reform and get people to pay more of their student loans, I bet most of the users like S019 that have R nut maps haven't paid back their student loans, that Trump is gonna get rid of all Forbearance

[Mr.Bakari-Sellers]

The Trump years seemed very chaotic to me, but a lot of that was due to the fact that I regularly follow news and politics. For someone who just tuned it all out and wanted to get on with their lives, I can see how it could seem plenty stable compared to the Biden years of, rightly or wrongly, inflation this, war that, interest rates, fears of AI layoffs, and so on.

This is what's you people don't get.  The Trump years were chaos because media-consuming liberals wanted chaos.  Mainstream outlets were more than willing to serve it up, even to the point of manufacturing a fake "Russian collusion" conspiracy.  Outrage drives engagement.

No you are incorrect Trump says he wants to free the insurrection that's chaos itself should Trump get back in, again I am not Pred that but if

[Arizona Iced Tea]

Is Bidens presidency not chaotic? You had the Afghanistan withdrawal fail, Ukraine Russia, Israel Gaza, illegal immigration, and so many other problems. He promised America would be "boring" and that's anything from reality. Most people would rather live in 2017-2019 than any year in Bidens term.

[Duke of York]

Is Bidens presidency not chaotic? You had the Afghanistan withdrawal fail, Ukraine Russia, Israel Gaza, illegal immigration, and so many other problems. He promised America would be "boring" and that's anything from reality. Most people would rather live in 2017-2019 than any year in Bidens term.

And magically if Trump was president none of this would have happened. 

[jojoju1998]

For many younger voters, President Trump is the first President they ever knew.

[Mr.Bakari-Sellers]

Is Bidens presidency not chaotic? You had the Afghanistan withdrawal fail, Ukraine Russia, Israel Gaza, illegal immigration, and so many other problems. He promised America would be "boring" and that's anything from reality. Most people would rather live in 2017-2019 than any year in Bidens term.

Lol we lost Chrimia during Obama administration, Putin was already in Ukraine, and Trump still allowed Putin to stay in Cremia

Rs have forgotten the Trump yra when Vladimir Putin took over Eastern Ukraine in 2014

[OSR stands with Israel]

For sure it feels that way, and the media is also doing their part in pretending like things were great before the pandemic struck. Did voters outside partisan Dems already forget how chaotic the Trump presidency was? With all the drama, the scandals, the name calling and alike? It also seems to me comparing the pre-Covid economy or inflation with today is like apples and oranges. Not only won't Trump turn back the clock, why are we forgetting that his Covid response was such a disaster? Yes, the pandemic isn't his fault, but he failed when leadership was needed.

I feel like social media and the 24/7 newscycle make people forget a lot of things that weren't great in the past. More so, if Trump really ends up winning the election, I predict that everyone outside partisan GOPers and his cult will feel the exact opposite 6 months into Trump's term and wish Biden was back/still in office.

I agree with the last sentence, but Biden will still lose because he is blamed for the bad things happening under his watch. Even if the inflation was caused by the CARES Act and the massive money printing in 2020, Biden will still be blamed for it because the inflation happened under his watch. I think things will get bad enough that Trump's cult dissolves.

Inflation was not only caused by the recovery programs of 2020 and 2021, it was a global trend during and after the pandemic. Latter disrupted many delivery chains on the entire globe and subsequently made goods more expensive. Before the pandemic even came to an end, the war in Ukraine resulted in a global energy crisis (and OPEC on top cutting oil production). These were factors outside the control of Trump and Biden, and would have happened even with no receovery package enacted at all.

Joe Biden was warned not to pass the ARP but he was so obsessed with the fact that he believed we didn’t pass enough of a stimulus in 2009 that he pushed that bill through anyway . The fact is the economy was already roaring back when Biden took office (unemployment had dropped from 14% to 6.3% in less than 8 months) and yet he thought the economic situation was worse than 2009 and acted accordingly .

In fact i remember that when Larry Summers warned that piece of legislation would be extremely inflationary, pretty much this entire forum mocked Summers for it and gave 60+ recommendations to a post saying “he’s always wrong”. The fact is he turned out to be right as we didn’t need that ridiculous bill which not only had the $1400 checks but also extended the rent freeze , expanded unemployment checks and kept student loan payments also paused . It was a disaster to pass such a bill in 2021 and it absolutely contributed to inflation.

You can’t even use the argument of every other western nation has this problem because they also all passed similarly insane stimulus packages(and in some cases more insane).

[Mr.Bakari-Sellers]

For sure it feels that way, and the media is also doing their part in pretending like things were great before the pandemic struck. Did voters outside partisan Dems already forget how chaotic the Trump presidency was? With all the drama, the scandals, the name calling and alike? It also seems to me comparing the pre-Covid economy or inflation with today is like apples and oranges. Not only won't Trump turn back the clock, why are we forgetting that his Covid response was such a disaster? Yes, the pandemic isn't his fault, but he failed when leadership was needed.

I feel like social media and the 24/7 newscycle make people forget a lot of things that weren't great in the past. More so, if Trump really ends up winning the election, I predict that everyone outside partisan GOPers and his cult will feel the exact opposite 6 months into Trump's term and wish Biden was back/still in office.

I agree with the last sentence, but Biden will still lose because he is blamed for the bad things happening under his watch. Even if the inflation was caused by the CARES Act and the massive money printing in 2020, Biden will still be blamed for it because the inflation happened under his watch. I think things will get bad enough that Trump's cult dissolves.

Inflation was not only caused by the recovery programs of 2020 and 2021, it was a global trend during and after the pandemic. Latter disrupted many delivery chains on the entire globe and subsequently made goods more expensive. Before the pandemic even came to an end, the war in Ukraine resulted in a global energy crisis (and OPEC on top cutting oil production). These were factors outside the control of Trump and Biden, and would have happened even with no receovery package enacted at all.

Joe Biden was warned not to pass the ARP but he was so obsessed with the fact that he believed we didn’t pass enough of a stimulus in 2009 that he pushed that bill through anyway . The fact is the economy was already roaring back when Biden took office (unemployment had dropped from 14% to 6.3% in less than 8 months) and yet he thought the economic situation was worse than 2009 and acted accordingly .

In fact i remember that when Larry Summers warned that piece of legislation would be extremely inflationary, pretty much this entire forum mocked Summers for it and gave 60+ recommendations to a post saying “he’s always wrong”. The fact is he turned out to be right as we didn’t need that ridiculous bill which not only had the $1400 checks but also extended the rent freeze , expanded unemployment checks and kept student loan payments also paused . It was a disaster to pass such a bill in 2021 and it absolutely contributed to inflation.

You can’t even use the argument of every other western nation has this problem because they also all passed similarly insane stimulus packages(and in some cases more insane).

Yeah we should keep giving tax cuts to the wealthy lol guess what if we get a Secular Trifecta Reparations is going to blks with tax increase on Wealthy over 400 K


Murkowski, Romney and Collins supported 1K checks not 1400