How does the SOTU affect the 2024 election

[DaleCooper]

However, a problem still exists on the other flank. Unless Biden changes course and starts being actually anti-Israel, the children voters that believe Biden is "Genocide Joe" just will not budge. They will not come out to vote for him.

These nihilistic morons aren't reliable voters. You can't count on them in any situation, even if you give them everything they want, so it's much better to try and win over normal people.

[South Dakota Democrat]

It should be "no effect" rather than "no affect."

[GAinDC]

I watched it.

1. Biden didn't die on stage.
2. Biden threw lots of red meat to the base.
3. It was the poorest received SOTU speech in polling history.

So I guess it helped, but not much.

You guys keep saying this without the context and it comes off incredibly disingenuous, but I should not be surprised, so alas

Also didn't realize issues like abortion, democracy, immigration, economy were 'red meat' to only Democrats - that seems pretty naive and delusional

Things that Democrat voters consider common sence are red meat for them as much as what Republican voters consider common sence for them is red meat for them.

"Democrat" voters

yuck

[Beet]

All we're asking is that Biden take the same stance on Israel as Obama, Bush, Clinton, Bush Sr., Reagan, and every other president-- be willing to stand up to it, and the same stance as Bernie, Warren, dozens of members of Congress, and his own vice president and call for an immediate cease-fire, and that this cease-fire be permanent. That is not some radical extreme position. I don't need to be won over. I've already endorsed Biden. I'm going to support him, because of the alternative.

But I also happen to be opposed to the slaughter of innocent children, who are being slaughtered with weapons Biden is providing. A million flowery SOTU speeches given with the vigor of a 20-year old wont change that. If that makes me some kind of silly radical, so be it. When we propose Biden to push for a cease-fire, we are told that if America, supposedly the leader of the free world, the world's sole superpower, and head, as Biden said last night, of the greatest military alliance in the world, chooses of its own free will not to provide weapons for an immoral slaughter, that a tiny nation surrounded by enemies of less than 10 million people, is going to blackmail us by going even harder against the Palestinians. I find this to impugn upon the honor of the U.S. If Israel chooses to commit war crimes, that is on them, not on America. We can stop defending them at yhe UN and see how they do. They keep saying they are our ally, but they aren't. We have been their ally since 1947 and saved them again and again from the Arabs. We recognized them in '47. We saved them in '67. We saved them in '73. We've saved them for their entire existence at the UN. But they've never caused anything but headaches for the U.S.

Nonetheless, Israel is a great democracy that has a right to exist. We should still be their ally. And of course, anti-Semitism must be stamped out in our politics where ever it is found. But we do not owe them support or weapons for an endless slaughter- a wanton murder, of over 30,000 people and counting.

Ending support is morally the right thing to do. It's the right thing in terms of America's interests. And it's the right thing for Biden's chances. The only way it looks wrong os from the standpoint of the Israeli Likud party. But the president of the United States ought to look out for America as the top priority.

And even though I'm supporting Biden though he refuses to call for a cease fire, I can't guarantee that millions of others who care about this issue will. You keep saying its a small minority. Sure. But elections are won on the margins. When the returns are coming in on election night in Michigan, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, and Minnesota, and that NY Times meter is swinging, you can bet you're going to be praying for every vote Biden can get. The under 30 group of voters that this Forum loves to attack and bash went foe him by 24 points last time and if it wasn't for them, your precious Biden would never be president in the first place.

Biden was right last night. American democracy is on the line in this election. International order is on the line. Women's rights are on the line. But when he flubs it all up and loses, the one group of people I won't feel sorry for are his hacks on this Forum. You guys will truly deserve it.

It feels like you're just looking for reasons to be annoyed.

A) The US has not sent Israel military aid since December. It's now been 4 months.
B) Biden and Harris have both called for cease-fires. It may not be the exact verbiage that you specifically want, but they have. It's an irrefutable fact

The discourse around Gaza/Israel is just getting absurd, I'm sorry. We're approaching levels of delusion where people are simply not listening to what Biden/Harris are saying and just making things up.

It's weird that you care more about "owning" Biden "hacks" on this forum than about actual legitimate issues that would be in peril if Trump won.

That is not true at all. As the Washington Post reported just days ago, the Biden administration has simply stopped telling Congress what it's sending, keeping everyone in the dark over 100+ shipments of weapons not authorized by Congress. He's doing the whole Trump thing where Congress doesn't give him what he wants, so he just does it anyway. And now his supporters, such as yourself, are lying about it.

He has not called for a cease-fire. A six-week pause on the massacre doesn't count.

[Del Tachi]

It doesn't directly affect everything, but it should give a lot of relief to Democrats who were sincerely wondering if he still capable of a performance like this or not.

It was a good Biden performance, but the SOTU is the most friendly environment there is.  The White House gets to entirely set the issues and the cadence, massage the content over weeks, and the pomp and circumstance adds levity to the event.  It isn't like a debate or an interview.   

[cg41386]

Hurts Biden a lot.

how?

He alienated the middle. It was a good speech if he wanted to win a competitive primary.

idk why i'm even bothering but once again: Independents liked the speech according to that CNN poll, so no, you're wrong. again.

Biden got the lowest ratings in SOTU history. That is bad.

OK, AIwalk.

[Doomer]

I need to see some polls first.

[Skill and Chance]

Helps Biden a bit- speech was strong enough and coherent enough to counteract some of the "too old" criticism.  That having been said, 50 more important things will happen between now and election day.

[Spectator]

SnowLabrador isn't here to tell us so we'll never really know for sure.

Is he finally banned?

[Progressive Pessimist]

The word I keep seeing from last night is "reassuring" and that was the goal. As such, succeeding at that makes it a positive for Biden, to at least some degree.

[The Economy is Getting Worse]

Helps Trump. Biden did consolidate his base (who were always going to vote for him) somewhat and increased their morale, at the expensive of sounding divisive to the middle.

[President Johnson]

No effect. The election is too far away for having an impact.