TYT - Muslim Man: "I Don't Care that Trump is Anti-Muslim, I'm Still Voting for Him"

[HisGrace]

It seems to me that Trump has some appeal towards authoritarian Muslims who like this strongman persona or even are anti-feminist.

Republicans have just really screwed up on immigration because in a lot of respects the new immigrants we've had should have been natural fits for their coalition. Devout Catholics from Latin America who hate communists, South Asians and Arabs. But they've been so xenophobic they've got those people in an impossible position of having to choose between someone who hates them or someone who goes against their values.

[heatcharger]

It seems to me that Trump has some appeal towards authoritarian Muslims who like this strongman persona or even are anti-feminist.

Republicans have just really screwed up on immigration because in a lot of respects the new immigrants we've had should have been natural fits for their coalition. Devout Catholics from Latin America who hate communists, South Asians and Arabs. But they've been so xenophobic they've got those people in an impossible position of having to choose between someone who hates them or someone who goes against their values.

I don’t think it’s very complicated why Americans would be opposed to bringing in “authoritarian Muslims”.

[Reactionary Libertarian]

Trump fundamentally does not like most of his voters. He wouldn't survive a week if he were forced to live in rural Mississippi. How he managed to cultivate a working class hero, populist everyman image is one of the greatest political mysteries of all time.

Some of yall may not like this, but here it goes:

Trump lives like many a poor man's idea of a rich man:

He lives in a gold plated penthouse, marries trophy wives and has flings with models and porn stars, tells people to shove off because he is his own boss and accountable to no one, flies around in a big jet with his name on it....

He embodies a fantasy of wealth that is very powerful to working class people. Those who are actually wealthy, educated and well connected know that it's all a big tacky performance.

Right, and that also makes working people able to relate to him despite him being a billionaire, because his lifestyle is exactly what they imagine they would have if they got rich.

Meanwhile actual upper-class and rich people have totally different social mores and behaviors from a poor man’s fantasy. The “college-educated elite” vibe permeates the Democratic Party, so even Dems with low net worth can come off as condescending in the way they talk and act, and become elite-coded. John Fetterman is an exception to this. And ironically, the more Trump broadcasts his wealth and brags about his Ivy League education, the more working-class coded he becomes.

[OSR stands with Israel]

Trump comes across as strong and masculine while Biden comes across as weak and dithering. Some people will vote on that and nothing else. It's all vibes. You can't fix this.

Congrats! You win the "Sure, Jan" award today

What exactly do you object to? I get that you have an aversion to anything other than "Biden will win easily and everything is sunshine and rainbows" but what exactly am I wrong about? Leave your DC bubble and talk to normal people, you'll be surprised.

I desperately wish that we had the Joe Biden from ten years ago. He would be up at least 5 points right now.. But we are stuck with a visibly decaying man and Trump, while not much younger, is viewed as energetic. You can't fix vibes, and Biden's vibes are in the trash.

wow, that was a lot...

I was just saying that not everyone views Trump as "strong and masculine" For decades people have been making jokes about his orange foundation and weird hairstyle. Not exactly "he man" stuff

And by the way, I'm from Coweta County, Georgia, so don't ever assume that 1) I'm out of touch with small town folks and 2) that people from DC don't count

People from DC count as much as anyone else, but the phrase "Beltway Bubble" didn't come out of thin air.

All I'm saying is Biden has a vibes problem, and while you and I may not understand Trump's masculine appeal, and while on paper it may not be there, he is a salesman first and foremost and knows how to project strength. Politically disengaged voters like the guy in the video see Trump and think "Alpha. Strong. Guy's guy." Biden is incapable of that. He wasn't always, but he is now.

And even if all that is true, Biden still beat Trump once, and he'll do it again

I swear to god, some of yall don't seem to understand that many of us like Biden precisely BECAUSE he's a normal guy and not some weird reality TV star like Trump

Biden barely won in 2020

[Progressive Pessimist]

Thankfully, I don't think this nimrod is representative of his community.

[ملكة كرينجيتوك]

It seems to me that Trump has some appeal towards authoritarian Muslims who like this strongman persona or even are anti-feminist. That includes some young men who feel their "priviliges" are threatened. Generally, someone who considers himself an Erdogan stan would prefer Trump over Biden most of the time.

Secular Muslims such as Pres Mike or Mohamed are a totally different story.

Not sure about Sir Mohammed but Pres Mike/motorcity most definitely is not a secular Arab Muslim.

It seems to me that Trump has some appeal towards authoritarian Muslims who like this strongman persona or even are anti-feminist.

Republicans have just really screwed up on immigration because in a lot of respects the new immigrants we've had should have been natural fits for their coalition. Devout Catholics from Latin America who hate communists, South Asians and Arabs. But they've been so xenophobic they've got those people in an impossible position of having to choose between someone who hates them or someone who goes against their values.

Idk, Republicans consistently outpoll Democrats on immigration and it’s been like that for some time now. Racial polarization did not develop in a vacuum. While (non-European) immigrant communities generally haven’t faced the systemic racism that non-immigrant Black and Native Americans suffered, xenophobia and Otherization don’t go unnoticed.

[ProudModerate2]

... All I'm saying is Biden has a vibes problem, and while you and I may not understand Trump's masculine appeal ...

And you don't think that trump has a "vibes problem" (of his own)?
People get "vibes" of trump of being a mentally unstable lunatic, an ex-pres with massive fed/state convictions, and a pathological liar (among hundreds of other descriptive words I could use). A Traitor to our nation, who tried to stay in power using an insurrection/riot and idiotic "legal" means, even though he fairly lost the election.

You need to "leave your own bubble and talk to normal people ... you'll be surprised" on how many agree with this. "You can't fix these vibes, and these trump vibes are in the sewer."

[Cyrusman]

It seems to me that Trump has some appeal towards authoritarian Muslims who like this strongman persona or even are anti-feminist. That includes some young men who feel their "priviliges" are threatened. Generally, someone who considers himself an Erdogan stan would prefer Trump over Biden most of the time.

Secular Muslims such as Pres Mike or Mohamed are a totally different story.

I'll give you a lot of credit. I can't speak for all middle eastern backgrounds, but as someone who is Persian , I can 100% confirm this to be the case. Trump appeals very well to almost all men in my family for this reason.

[Ferguson97]

Biden barely won in 2020

Trump barely won in 2016, what's your point?

[dspNY]

"Some men just want to watch the world burn"--Alfred to Bruce Wayne in The Dark Knight

[Joe Biden 2028]

It seems to me that Trump has some appeal towards authoritarian Muslims who like this strongman persona or even are anti-feminist. That includes some young men who feel their "priviliges" are threatened. Generally, someone who considers himself an Erdogan stan would prefer Trump over Biden most of the time.

Secular Muslims such as Pres Mike or Mohamed are a totally different story.

Not sure about Sir Mohammed but Pres Mike most definitely is not a secular Arab Muslim.

I am secular tho

[ملكة كرينجيتوك]

It seems to me that Trump has some appeal towards authoritarian Muslims who like this strongman persona or even are anti-feminist. That includes some young men who feel their "priviliges" are threatened. Generally, someone who considers himself an Erdogan stan would prefer Trump over Biden most of the time.

Secular Muslims such as Pres Mike or Mohamed are a totally different story.

Not sure about Sir Mohammed but Pres Mike most definitely is not a secular Arab Muslim.

I am secular tho

My bad dude, guess I misremembered your post history.

My point on negative polarization still stands.

[HisGrace]

... All I'm saying is Biden has a vibes problem, and while you and I may not understand Trump's masculine appeal ...

And you don't think that trump has a "vibes problem" (of his own)?

This would make sense if Biden was running against a strong stable "movie president" type guy like Bush 41 or Romney. Trump doesn't even come off as particularly masculine to me, he whines constantly, makes excuses for problems instead of solving them, is immature and can't be serious even when the situation very much calls for it, and on and on and on. The appeal of Trump's personality to people is more that he acts like a 9 year old in public all the time.

[The Economy is Getting Worse]

Smart. If Democrats want his vote, they should replace Biden with someone else’. Tons of people uniquely hate Biden.