Nikki Haley vs Pierre Poilievre

[OSR stands with Israel]

Who would you say is better

[Upper Canada Tory]

I used to say Nikki Haley, but now I think Poilievre is better. Haley is just cringe.

[AtorBoltox]

Pierre is probably slightly better on policy, but everything else about him (his face, his voice, his overall demeanor) inspires within me a strong urge to commit violence against him

[Rat]

I honestly do like both of them, but lean Haley.

[Goldwater]

Haley, easily.

[Mr. Smith]

Not Nattering Nimrata.

[KaiserDave]

On paper at least, Poilievre is incomparably less right-wing, so him.

[OSR stands with Israel]

On paper at least, Poilievre is incomparably less right-wing, so him.

Other than healthcare is he though. Polievre basically has taken RDS level postions on the vast majority of economic issues , and a good deal of social issues too .

You move Polievre here to America and he’s basically a likable version of Ted Cruz , while if you move Haley to Canada she’s at most a Jason Kenney style conservative

[7,052,770]

Don't really know who Pierre Poilievre is (normal), but he's probably better than Haley by default if he can realistically get elected PM of Canada.

[OSR stands with Israel]

Don't really know who Pierre Poilievre is (normal), but he's probably better than Haley by default if he can realistically get elected PM of Canada.

Pierre Polievre is the guy who rose to becoming Conservative Party Leader by openly backing the trucker protest and using it to get rid of the previous conservative leader who opposed the truckers . Polievre is also very conservative for Canada on the issues as he is against gun control , holds RDS style postions on trans issues and esg style issues , and wants to slash the amount of government employees by a good amount too .

He basically is up so much because Trudeau is super hated right now and the cost of living crises in Canada is completely out of control (like GDP per capita there is lower than 45 states here while housing is as expensive as California)

[S019]

Haley

[7,052,770]

Don't really know who Pierre Poilievre is (normal), but he's probably better than Haley by default if he can realistically get elected PM of Canada.

Pierre Polievre is the guy who rose to becoming Conservative Party Leader by openly backing the trucker protest and using it to get rid of the previous conservative leader who opposed the truckers . Polievre is also very conservative for Canada on the issues as he is against gun control , holds RDS style postions on trans issues and esg style issues , and wants to slash the amount of government employees by a good amount too .

He basically is up so much because Trudeau is super hated right now and the cost of living crises in Canada is completely out of control (like GDP per capita there is lower than 45 states here while housing is as expensive as California)

Well then he truly sucks in a particularly laughable way. But considering how if "Canada" were a state it would be to the left of California, he still must have something about him that makes him not so bad if he could plausibly be elected there. It's not like Haley or DeSantis would ever come within 20 points of winning California.

[Upper Canada Tory]

Don't really know who Pierre Poilievre is (normal), but he's probably better than Haley by default if he can realistically get elected PM of Canada.

Pierre Polievre is the guy who rose to becoming Conservative Party Leader by openly backing the trucker protest and using it to get rid of the previous conservative leader who opposed the truckers . Polievre is also very conservative for Canada on the issues as he is against gun control , holds RDS style postions on trans issues and esg style issues , and wants to slash the amount of government employees by a good amount too .

He basically is up so much because Trudeau is super hated right now and the cost of living crises in Canada is completely out of control (like GDP per capita there is lower than 45 states here while housing is as expensive as California)

Erin O'Toole wasn't removed because of the trucker protest. He was removed because he lost the 2021 election and because of ideological disagreements in the party with some of his stances (eg, him being ok with a carbon tax, the flip flop on guns, etc)

[President Punxsutawney Phil]

Poilievre

[Samof94]

Don't really know who Pierre Poilievre is (normal), but he's probably better than Haley by default if he can realistically get elected PM of Canada.

Pierre Polievre is the guy who rose to becoming Conservative Party Leader by openly backing the trucker protest and using it to get rid of the previous conservative leader who opposed the truckers . Polievre is also very conservative for Canada on the issues as he is against gun control , holds RDS style postions on trans issues and esg style issues , and wants to slash the amount of government employees by a good amount too .

He basically is up so much because Trudeau is super hated right now and the cost of living crises in Canada is completely out of control (like GDP per capita there is lower than 45 states here while housing is as expensive as California)

Exactly. Living in Canada often means a Mississippi level of income(but with a better social safety net, less guns, less religion, and less obviously bigoted laws on abortion or LGBTQ issues) but California style housing with the weather of whatever Northern state borders your province.

[OSR stands with Israel]

Don't really know who Pierre Poilievre is (normal), but he's probably better than Haley by default if he can realistically get elected PM of Canada.

Pierre Polievre is the guy who rose to becoming Conservative Party Leader by openly backing the trucker protest and using it to get rid of the previous conservative leader who opposed the truckers . Polievre is also very conservative for Canada on the issues as he is against gun control , holds RDS style postions on trans issues and esg style issues , and wants to slash the amount of government employees by a good amount too .

He basically is up so much because Trudeau is super hated right now and the cost of living crises in Canada is completely out of control (like GDP per capita there is lower than 45 states here while housing is as expensive as California)

Well then he truly sucks in a particularly laughable way. But considering how if "Canada" were a state it would be to the left of California, he still must have something about him that makes him not so bad if he could plausibly be elected there. It's not like Haley or DeSantis would ever come within 20 points of winning California.

Other than healthcare this is absolutely not true lol . This is a massive myth that Bernie sanders supporters put up for years and has been proven to be factually untrue

[Upper Canada Tory]

Don't really know who Pierre Poilievre is (normal), but he's probably better than Haley by default if he can realistically get elected PM of Canada.

Pierre Polievre is the guy who rose to becoming Conservative Party Leader by openly backing the trucker protest and using it to get rid of the previous conservative leader who opposed the truckers . Polievre is also very conservative for Canada on the issues as he is against gun control , holds RDS style postions on trans issues and esg style issues , and wants to slash the amount of government employees by a good amount too .

He basically is up so much because Trudeau is super hated right now and the cost of living crises in Canada is completely out of control (like GDP per capita there is lower than 45 states here while housing is as expensive as California)

Well then he truly sucks in a particularly laughable way. But considering how if "Canada" were a state it would be to the left of California, he still must have something about him that makes him not so bad if he could plausibly be elected there. It's not like Haley or DeSantis would ever come within 20 points of winning California.

Other than healthcare this is absolutely not true lol . This is a massive myth that Bernie sanders supporters put up for years and has been proven to be factually untrue

Yeah, Canada overall wouldn't be to the left of California. This is Bernie Sanders propaganda.

[Independents for Nihilism]

Don't really know who Pierre Poilievre is (normal), but he's probably better than Haley by default if he can realistically get elected PM of Canada.

Pierre Polievre is the guy who rose to becoming Conservative Party Leader by openly backing the trucker protest and using it to get rid of the previous conservative leader who opposed the truckers . Polievre is also very conservative for Canada on the issues as he is against gun control , holds RDS style postions on trans issues and esg style issues , and wants to slash the amount of government employees by a good amount too .

He basically is up so much because Trudeau is super hated right now and the cost of living crises in Canada is completely out of control (like GDP per capita there is lower than 45 states here while housing is as expensive as California)

Well then he truly sucks in a particularly laughable way. But considering how if "Canada" were a state it would be to the left of California, he still must have something about him that makes him not so bad if he could plausibly be elected there. It's not like Haley or DeSantis would ever come within 20 points of winning California.

Other than healthcare this is absolutely not true lol . This is a massive myth that Bernie sanders supporters put up for years and has been proven to be factually untrue

Yeah, Canada overall wouldn't be to the left of California. This is Bernie Sanders propaganda.

The "Canada is to the left of California" thing comes from polling showing that something like 70% of Canadians would have voted for Biden in 2020 (even in Alberta, I think he got a majority). It's apples to oranges, though, because who knows if people are looking at it as if they lived in the US or if Canada was part of the US or what. It was never a referring to policy to my knowledge, even though we do go a lot further left than the US in areas not just limited to healthcare.

[OSR stands with Israel]

Don't really know who Pierre Poilievre is (normal), but he's probably better than Haley by default if he can realistically get elected PM of Canada.

Pierre Polievre is the guy who rose to becoming Conservative Party Leader by openly backing the trucker protest and using it to get rid of the previous conservative leader who opposed the truckers . Polievre is also very conservative for Canada on the issues as he is against gun control , holds RDS style postions on trans issues and esg style issues , and wants to slash the amount of government employees by a good amount too .

He basically is up so much because Trudeau is super hated right now and the cost of living crises in Canada is completely out of control (like GDP per capita there is lower than 45 states here while housing is as expensive as California)

Well then he truly sucks in a particularly laughable way. But considering how if "Canada" were a state it would be to the left of California, he still must have something about him that makes him not so bad if he could plausibly be elected there. It's not like Haley or DeSantis would ever come within 20 points of winning California.

Other than healthcare this is absolutely not true lol . This is a massive myth that Bernie sanders supporters put up for years and has been proven to be factually untrue

Yeah, Canada overall wouldn't be to the left of California. This is Bernie Sanders propaganda.

The "Canada is to the left of California" thing comes from polling showing that something like 70% of Canadians would have voted for Biden in 2020 (even in Alberta, I think he got a majority). It's apples to oranges, though, because who knows if people are looking at it as if they lived in the US or if Canada was part of the US or what. It was never a referring to policy to my knowledge, even though we do go a lot further left than the US in areas not just limited to healthcare.

It’s way easier also to oppose a foreign leader of the same ideology than it is to a domestic one for many reasons :

- Your not as invested in seeing that party succeed

- A foreign party doesn't have the same media infrastructure as a domestic party does to get out their message . Like I can guarantee if someone like Trump was elected in the UK or Canada(adjusted to the contexts of their nation) they would not be as popular with Republicans as that leader would not have Fox News/Social media on the right defend their every move

- Also Conservativism is fundamentally different than liberalism as its ideology is far more country to country based than global while liberalism is far more global in their ideology . Ironically this was stated by Stephen Harper himself in an interview with Shapiro who said for example Canadian Tories are pro monarchy while American conservatives are anti monarchy.

But yeah this was also started by Bernie over and over who said the UK and Canada are to the left of California which btw outside of healthcare is simply untrue especially socially .

[Upper Canada Tory]

All countries, whether the US, Canada or the UK have mix of issues on which they are comparably 'right wing' and others on which they are comparably 'left wing'. This is why country-to-country comparisons are often misleading.

Just as an example, Justin Trudeau is in favour of the Keystone XL pipeline while Joe Biden is against it. Justin Trudeau must be more 'right wing' than Joe Biden then, correct?

In reality, the energy sector is just a more important part of the economy in Canada than in the US, so the context is different. If Joe Biden were a politician in Canada he would likely support Keystone XL and if Trudeau were a politician in the US he would likely oppose it.

Politicians are largely a product of their political context, which is why saying '(insert politician in one country here) is more rightwing/leftwing than (insert politician in another country here)' doesn't tell you the full story.