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« on: March 06, 2024, 02:26:01 PM »

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« Reply #1 on: March 06, 2024, 02:30:46 PM »

So try to buy an election ala Mayor Bloomberg?
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« Reply #2 on: March 06, 2024, 03:48:37 PM »

The thing is the marginal return on spending money dimishes after so much. Someone seeing the difference between someone not getting an ad and getting an ad is significant, the difference between someone getting 10 ads and 20 ads for a candidate likely isn't that much.

I really hope Dems spend their money on social media and ground campaigns to try and target voters who may not show up just because they saw ads on TV.
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« Reply #3 on: March 06, 2024, 04:12:14 PM »

The thing is the marginal return on spending money dimishes after so much. Someone seeing the difference between someone not getting an ad and getting an ad is significant, the difference between someone getting 10 ads and 20 ads for a candidate likely isn't that much.

I really hope Dems spend their money on social media and ground campaigns to try and target voters who may not show up just because they saw ads on TV.

Social media ads are absolutely part of that ad budget.
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« Reply #4 on: March 06, 2024, 04:23:30 PM »

The thing is the marginal return on spending money dimishes after so much. Someone seeing the difference between someone not getting an ad and getting an ad is significant, the difference between someone getting 10 ads and 20 ads for a candidate likely isn't that much.

I really hope Dems spend their money on social media and ground campaigns to try and target voters who may not show up just because they saw ads on TV.

Social media ads are absolutely part of that ad budget.
I doubt many people are convinced by ads between the 2 most well known candidates.
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« Reply #5 on: March 06, 2024, 04:27:21 PM »

The thing is the marginal return on spending money dimishes after so much. Someone seeing the difference between someone not getting an ad and getting an ad is significant, the difference between someone getting 10 ads and 20 ads for a candidate likely isn't that much.

I really hope Dems spend their money on social media and ground campaigns to try and target voters who may not show up just because they saw ads on TV.

Social media ads are absolutely part of that ad budget.
I doubt many people are convinced by ads between the 2 most well known candidates.

Everybody knows who Trump and Biden are, but ads can be helpful to outline statements, positions, or gaffes by the other candidate, which may not be as well known to the average voter.
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« Reply #6 on: March 06, 2024, 04:28:24 PM »

The thing is the marginal return on spending money dimishes after so much. Someone seeing the difference between someone not getting an ad and getting an ad is significant, the difference between someone getting 10 ads and 20 ads for a candidate likely isn't that much.

I really hope Dems spend their money on social media and ground campaigns to try and target voters who may not show up just because they saw ads on TV.

Social media ads are absolutely part of that ad budget.
I doubt many people are convinced by ads between the 2 most well known candidates.

Everybody knows who Trump and Biden are, but ads can be helpful to outline statements, positions, or gaffes by the other candidate, which may not be as well known to the average voter.
Idk if it is persuasive to blame the other candidate for something bad that happened on your watch but not the other candidate’s watch.
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« Reply #7 on: March 06, 2024, 04:33:36 PM »

The thing is the marginal return on spending money dimishes after so much. Someone seeing the difference between someone not getting an ad and getting an ad is significant, the difference between someone getting 10 ads and 20 ads for a candidate likely isn't that much.

I really hope Dems spend their money on social media and ground campaigns to try and target voters who may not show up just because they saw ads on TV.

Social media ads are absolutely part of that ad budget.
I doubt many people are convinced by ads between the 2 most well known candidates.

Everybody knows who Trump and Biden are, but ads can be helpful to outline statements, positions, or gaffes by the other candidate, which may not be as well known to the average voter.
Idk if it is persuasive to blame the other candidate for something bad that happened on your watch but not the other candidate’s watch.

I'm thinking of things like Trump's recent statements that he'll withhold federal funds for any school that requires vaccines, telling people to blame him for overturning Roe v Wade, and similar.
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« Reply #8 on: March 06, 2024, 04:34:18 PM »

If Trump had been bombarded with ads earlier in 2016 he wouldn't have ever won the presidency.
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« Reply #9 on: March 06, 2024, 04:34:58 PM »

The thing is the marginal return on spending money dimishes after so much. Someone seeing the difference between someone not getting an ad and getting an ad is significant, the difference between someone getting 10 ads and 20 ads for a candidate likely isn't that much.

I really hope Dems spend their money on social media and ground campaigns to try and target voters who may not show up just because they saw ads on TV.

Social media ads are absolutely part of that ad budget.
I doubt many people are convinced by ads between the 2 most well known candidates.

Everybody knows who Trump and Biden are, but ads can be helpful to outline statements, positions, or gaffes by the other candidate, which may not be as well known to the average voter.
Idk if it is persuasive to blame the other candidate for something bad that happened on your watch but not the other candidate’s watch.

I'm thinking of things like Trump's recent statements that he'll withhold federal funds for any school that requires vaccines, telling people to blame him for overturning Roe v Wade, and similar.
Roe v Wade was overturned under Biden’s watch. Operation Warp Speed was under Trump’s watch.

It isn’t really persuasive, just annoying when you blame the other candidate for things happening under your watch.
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« Reply #10 on: March 06, 2024, 04:35:56 PM »

If Trump had been bombarded with ads earlier in 2016 he wouldn't have ever won the presidency.
Clinton outspent Trump 2:1. It didn’t matter, and she actually did worse in the states she spent more money than nationally.

Biden 2024 is 100x as repulsive as Clinton 2016.
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« Reply #11 on: March 06, 2024, 04:43:52 PM »

If Trump had been bombarded with ads earlier in 2016 he wouldn't have ever won the presidency.
Clinton outspent Trump 2:1. It didn’t matter, and she actually did worse in the states she spent more money than nationally.

Biden 2024 is 100x as repulsive as Clinton 2016.

Once again, you can't read! I said earlier in 2016.
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« Reply #12 on: March 06, 2024, 05:29:20 PM »
« Edited: March 06, 2024, 06:00:13 PM by Progressive Pessimist »

Going nuclear in negative ads is probably necessary to remind Americans all the wrong this lunatic did throughout his life, and especially during his presidency, as well as what he could be capable of in a second term.

I'm sure some are jumping to conclusions that his campaign is just doing "Orange man bad" again, and certainly that's going to be important. There's room to do both that and really emphasis affirmative reasons to vote for him over third parties or sitting out. It creates a contrast and outlines the stakes.
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« Reply #13 on: March 06, 2024, 06:16:59 PM »

The thing is the marginal return on spending money dimishes after so much. Someone seeing the difference between someone not getting an ad and getting an ad is significant, the difference between someone getting 10 ads and 20 ads for a candidate likely isn't that much.

I really hope Dems spend their money on social media and ground campaigns to try and target voters who may not show up just because they saw ads on TV.

Social media ads are absolutely part of that ad budget.
I doubt many people are convinced by ads between the 2 most well known candidates.

Everybody knows who Trump and Biden are, but ads can be helpful to outline statements, positions, or gaffes by the other candidate, which may not be as well known to the average voter.
Idk if it is persuasive to blame the other candidate for something bad that happened on your watch but not the other candidate’s watch.

I'm thinking of things like Trump's recent statements that he'll withhold federal funds for any school that requires vaccines, telling people to blame him for overturning Roe v Wade, and similar.
Roe v Wade was overturned under Biden’s watch. Operation Warp Speed was under Trump’s watch.

It isn’t really persuasive, just annoying when you blame the other candidate for things happening under your watch.

If you think the overturning of Roe v Wade will hurt Biden more than Trump -- who is on video telling people to blame him for it -- can I interest you in this nice bridge over the East River?
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« Reply #14 on: March 06, 2024, 06:23:30 PM »

The thing is the marginal return on spending money dimishes after so much. Someone seeing the difference between someone not getting an ad and getting an ad is significant, the difference between someone getting 10 ads and 20 ads for a candidate likely isn't that much.

I really hope Dems spend their money on social media and ground campaigns to try and target voters who may not show up just because they saw ads on TV.

Social media ads are absolutely part of that ad budget.
I doubt many people are convinced by ads between the 2 most well known candidates.

Everybody knows who Trump and Biden are, but ads can be helpful to outline statements, positions, or gaffes by the other candidate, which may not be as well known to the average voter.
Idk if it is persuasive to blame the other candidate for something bad that happened on your watch but not the other candidate’s watch.

I'm thinking of things like Trump's recent statements that he'll withhold federal funds for any school that requires vaccines, telling people to blame him for overturning Roe v Wade, and similar.
Roe v Wade was overturned under Biden’s watch. Operation Warp Speed was under Trump’s watch.

It isn’t really persuasive, just annoying when you blame the other candidate for things happening under your watch.

If you think the overturning of Roe v Wade will hurt Biden more than Trump -- who is on video telling people to blame him for it -- can I interest you in this nice bridge over the East River?
Americans approve of Roe by a 20 point margin but trust Biden on abortion over Trump by only a 10 point margin.
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« Reply #15 on: March 06, 2024, 07:02:24 PM »

The thing is the marginal return on spending money dimishes after so much. Someone seeing the difference between someone not getting an ad and getting an ad is significant, the difference between someone getting 10 ads and 20 ads for a candidate likely isn't that much.

I really hope Dems spend their money on social media and ground campaigns to try and target voters who may not show up just because they saw ads on TV.

Social media ads are absolutely part of that ad budget.
I doubt many people are convinced by ads between the 2 most well known candidates.

Everybody knows who Trump and Biden are, but ads can be helpful to outline statements, positions, or gaffes by the other candidate, which may not be as well known to the average voter.
Idk if it is persuasive to blame the other candidate for something bad that happened on your watch but not the other candidate’s watch.

I'm thinking of things like Trump's recent statements that he'll withhold federal funds for any school that requires vaccines, telling people to blame him for overturning Roe v Wade, and similar.
Roe v Wade was overturned under Biden’s watch. Operation Warp Speed was under Trump’s watch.

It isn’t really persuasive, just annoying when you blame the other candidate for things happening under your watch.

If you think the overturning of Roe v Wade will hurt Biden more than Trump -- who is on video telling people to blame him for it -- can I interest you in this nice bridge over the East River?
Americans approve of Roe by a 20 point margin but trust Biden on abortion over Trump by only a 10 point margin.

And that circles around to my point about messaging: after a barrage of ads about Roe, with Trump on video boasting about repealing it, in conjunction with the incidents of women denied necessary health care and nearly dying, the 10-year-old girl having to go out-of-state for an abortion, women in Alabama who can't get IVF anymore...those numbers (which already favor Biden) are very likely to change, and not in Trump's favor.
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« Reply #16 on: March 06, 2024, 07:05:02 PM »

This is the dumbest idea I’ve heard. Seriously at this point I’d rather Atlas posters be running his campaign, f**k even a random guy off the street. This is beyond embarrassing unless it’s a bluff/half truth while the real strategy is behind closed doors.

Sure use what money they have but…this isn’t a viable strategy on its own.
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« Reply #17 on: March 06, 2024, 07:12:01 PM »

This is the dumbest idea I’ve heard. Seriously at this point I’d rather Atlas posters be running his campaign, f**k even a random guy off the street. This is beyond embarrassing unless it’s a bluff/half truth while the real strategy is behind closed doors.

Sure use what money they have but…this isn’t a viable strategy on its own.

The ads aren't the whole strategy.  Did you even bother to read the article before commenting?
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« Reply #18 on: March 06, 2024, 07:17:00 PM »
« Edited: March 06, 2024, 07:20:07 PM by Crumpets »

At that level of spending, he should just start building housing projects and transit projects with it and it would do just as much to help his re-election chances as buying a 923rd round of ad buys... provided he doesn't Mansa Musa it and accidentally bring back inflation.
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« Reply #19 on: March 06, 2024, 07:18:40 PM »

The anti Biden crowd is flooding this thread because they know Biden will absolutely trounce the Trump Legal Defense Fund (RNC) in cash-on-hand and spending, and that it will make a difference
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« Reply #20 on: March 06, 2024, 07:23:02 PM »

Negative ads work.
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« Reply #21 on: March 06, 2024, 07:35:11 PM »

Who doesn't know Trump at this point? I'm really not trying to sound like a hack, but I honestly feel like Trump is the one candidate this won't work on. If it didn't work in 2016 when he was a less known and still was outspent 2-1, it won't work now.

The guy has been in the news almost none stop for almost 9 years. We all know him and have an opinion. If Trump looses, which he surely can, it won't be cause he was outspent.
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« Reply #22 on: March 06, 2024, 07:45:25 PM »

Who doesn't know Trump at this point? I'm really not trying to sound like a hack, but I honestly feel like Trump is the one candidate this won't work on. If it didn't work in 2016 when he was a less known and still was outspent 2-1, it won't work now.

The guy has been in the news almost none stop for almost 9 years. We all know him and have an opinion. If Trump looses, which he surely can, it won't be cause he was outspent.

Trump does and says so much that's controversial it's easy for the most important and disturbing aspects of what he embodies to fall by the wayside.

If the Biden campaign focuses on certain specific aspects to define him and keep those negative qualities fresh in voters' minds it could at least counter certain Americans' forgetful tendencies.
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« Reply #23 on: March 06, 2024, 07:49:33 PM »

Who doesn't know Trump at this point? I'm really not trying to sound like a hack, but I honestly feel like Trump is the one candidate this won't work on. If it didn't work in 2016 when he was a less known and still was outspent 2-1, it won't work now.

The guy has been in the news almost none stop for almost 9 years. We all know him and have an opinion. If Trump looses, which he surely can, it won't be cause he was outspent.

Reminding people that Trump is an asshole is not an effective strategy. How it affects the lives of Americans is much more important.
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« Reply #24 on: March 06, 2024, 07:56:48 PM »

Who doesn't know Trump at this point? I'm really not trying to sound like a hack, but I honestly feel like Trump is the one candidate this won't work on. If it didn't work in 2016 when he was a less known and still was outspent 2-1, it won't work now.

The guy has been in the news almost none stop for almost 9 years. We all know him and have an opinion. If Trump looses, which he surely can, it won't be cause he was outspent.

Reminding people that Trump is an asshole is not an effective strategy. How it affects the lives of Americans is much more important.

Trump is leading in many of these polls because people felt that their lives, especially financially were better off under Trump himself, so not sure where you're going with that. Many Americans (whether this is correct or not) felt that Trump's policies overall were better for the country.
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