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« on: March 05, 2024, 11:50:01 AM »

This election won't be about democracy, nor race, nor class, nor gender (sorry Democrats). It is between Book Smarts and Street Smarts. Trump has the Street Smarts crowd, Biden has the Book Smarts crowd. According to the U.S. Census Bureau, 38% of American adults have a bachelor's degree or higher, and 62% do not. That is why Trump will win (assuming turnout isn't badly suppressed; which it won't be, bc Democrats have convinced themselves the Republicans were evil for passing voter suppression laws & trying to do that is evil).

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« Reply #1 on: March 05, 2024, 11:57:23 AM »

It's a good theory, but I still believe in the good old class division.

Mainly because the cost of higher education is so high only the Upper Class can afford it.
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« Reply #2 on: March 05, 2024, 12:31:38 PM »

I question the street smarts side of things, but yes there is an educational divide.
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« Reply #3 on: March 05, 2024, 01:31:27 PM »

I question the street smarts side of things, but yes there is an educational divide.

“Street smarts” is sort of a vague term. I tend to believe a lot of people who are book smart are also street smart - I don’t think those things are mutually exclusive and may even be positively correlated.

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« Reply #4 on: March 05, 2024, 01:40:30 PM »

Which is ironic, because one of the most popular seasons of The Apprentice was a book smarts vs street smarts competition, and Trump ended up hiring Kendra Todd from the book smarts team.
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« Reply #5 on: March 05, 2024, 01:52:11 PM »

Recycled Trump v Teflon Biden do you know Rs haven't def Biden or Harris or Obama  08/12/20/22 I keep Rs stop underestimate Biden

It's a 303 map anyways but OH, TX, FL and NC are wave insurance, Powell is only 3 pts down
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« Reply #6 on: March 05, 2024, 07:15:30 PM »

I question the street smarts side of things, but yes there is an educational divide.

“Street smarts” is sort of a vague term. I tend to believe a lot of people who are book smart are also street smart - I don’t think those things are mutually exclusive and may even be positively correlated.



Yes, in fact all forms of intelligence are positively correlated. But regardless, the existence of the education divide doesn’t mean there is no race or sex divide. Which is why 62% of Americans not having a bachelor’s degree doesn’t mean Biden will lose.
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« Reply #7 on: March 05, 2024, 07:20:28 PM »

How does this account for the majority of Americans with neither?
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« Reply #8 on: March 05, 2024, 07:29:20 PM »

How does this account for the majority of Americans with neither?

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« Reply #9 on: March 05, 2024, 08:35:35 PM »

Which is ironic, because one of the most popular seasons of The Apprentice was a book smarts vs street smarts competition, and Trump ended up hiring Kendra Todd from the book smarts team.

I'm so ashamed that I remember that and watched it...
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« Reply #10 on: March 05, 2024, 08:56:39 PM »

Classic Beet post to present as some great insight that in the US people vote differently at different levels of education.
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« Reply #11 on: March 05, 2024, 09:13:43 PM »

A stream I was watching just now showed a blonde woman with a southern accent interviewing three guys with face tattoos. That's the Trump coalition in a nutshell
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« Reply #12 on: March 05, 2024, 10:05:36 PM »

How does this account for the majority of Americans with neither?

At least 80% of American voters fall into this category, lmao.
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« Reply #13 on: March 06, 2024, 12:14:50 AM »

This isn't something book smart or street smart people fall for.

‘Trump Bucks’ promise wealth for MAGA loyalty. Some lose thousands.

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One 75-year-old Alabama grandmother, who consented to having her picture taken but asked not to be identified by name for fear of internet harassment, told NBC News the message she got from watching the pitches on the internet was that Trump was going to make her rich.

But the grandmother, who describes herself as a “real patriot,” said what she got for the $1,500 she invested in Trump Bucks turned out to be fool’s gold.

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About six months ago, the grandmother said, she gathered up the Trump Bucks and commemorative coins she had purchased and drove 60 miles east to the nearest Bank of America branch she could find in Pensacola, Florida.

There, she said, she was greeted by a teller who told her she’d been scammed.

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A Florida woman who lives north of Tampa, and who also asked not to be identified by name because she fears internet harassment, said her 77-year-old mother-in-law was also fooled into investing tens of thousands of dollars in Trump Bucks.

Trump's base is not "street smart" hustlers and bootstrap pullers. It's old people with too much spare money who have been driven into absolute terror, furor and derangement by conservative media on TV and online.
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« Reply #14 on: March 06, 2024, 12:34:59 AM »

I question the street smarts side of things, but yes there is an educational divide.

“Street smarts” is sort of a vague term. I tend to believe a lot of people who are book smart are also street smart - I don’t think those things are mutually exclusive and may even be positively correlated.



Yes, in fact all forms of intelligence are positively correlated. But regardless, the existence of the education divide doesn’t mean there is no race or sex divide. Which is why 62% of Americans not having a bachelor’s degree doesn’t mean Biden will lose.

Reminds me of a post I saw on here a while ago about how the college educated atlas poster had a better chance of persuading an uncommitted door knocker than they door knocker had of persuading the poster to vote uncommitted.

Ideally in college, you learn skills like how to effectively debate, how to be more immune to misinformation, and how to interact with a diverse body of people, all of which provide social advantages when it comes to "street smarts".

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« Reply #15 on: March 06, 2024, 04:56:54 AM »

If someone goes on about how they "learned from the school of life" and can "smell a con man from a mile away" and yet continues to support Donald Trump, I have to question their street smarts.
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« Reply #16 on: March 06, 2024, 06:11:16 AM »

How does this account for the majority of Americans with neither?

Well, that's why we have a Biden vs Trump race.
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« Reply #17 on: March 06, 2024, 06:31:47 AM »

Generally fits with my narrative


Trump's message will be an anti-establishment anti-system one where it is de facto "Vote for me because those pencil neck Ivy League geeks are against me" to target young voters and non-college voters across the spectrum (Whites, Blacks, Hispanics).  These groups are suffering due to high financing costs.  The metrics Trump should be focused on are; real mortgage rates,  real financing rates, credit card delinquency rates, and auto loan delinquency rates.  As long all of them stay elevated there is no reason not to pursue his strategy and if that means giving up some Haley-Romney upscale suburb votes that might theoretically be winnable for Trump if he had a different message then so be it.
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« Reply #18 on: March 06, 2024, 10:08:16 AM »

Generally fits with my narrative


Trump's message will be an anti-establishment anti-system one where it is de facto "Vote for me because those pencil neck Ivy League geeks are against me" to target young voters and non-college voters across the spectrum (Whites, Blacks, Hispanics).  These groups are suffering due to high financing costs.  The metrics Trump should be focused on are; real mortgage rates,  real financing rates, credit card delinquency rates, and auto loan delinquency rates.  As long all of them stay elevated there is no reason not to pursue his strategy and if that means giving up some Haley-Romney upscale suburb votes that might theoretically be winnable for Trump if he had a different message then so be it.

The irony is; Trump is a ivy league educated man himself, he would have nothing in common, He HAS nothing in common with the vast majority of Americans.

I question the street smarts side of things, but yes there is an educational divide.

“Street smarts” is sort of a vague term. I tend to believe a lot of people who are book smart are also street smart - I don’t think those things are mutually exclusive and may even be positively correlated.



Yes, in fact all forms of intelligence are positively correlated. But regardless, the existence of the education divide doesn’t mean there is no race or sex divide. Which is why 62% of Americans not having a bachelor’s degree doesn’t mean Biden will lose.

Reminds me of a post I saw on here a while ago about how the college educated atlas poster had a better chance of persuading an uncommitted door knocker than they door knocker had of persuading the poster to vote uncommitted.

Ideally in college, you learn skills like how to effectively debate, how to be more immune to misinformation, and how to interact with a diverse body of people, all of which provide social advantages when it comes to "street smarts".


But in the Republican Mindset, College is increasingly less diverse, when it comes to conservative viewpoints.



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« Reply #19 on: March 06, 2024, 10:37:27 AM »

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« Reply #20 on: March 06, 2024, 12:05:16 PM »

Generally fits with my narrative


Trump's message will be an anti-establishment anti-system one where it is de facto "Vote for me because those pencil neck Ivy League geeks are against me" to target young voters and non-college voters across the spectrum (Whites, Blacks, Hispanics).  These groups are suffering due to high financing costs.  The metrics Trump should be focused on are; real mortgage rates,  real financing rates, credit card delinquency rates, and auto loan delinquency rates.  As long all of them stay elevated there is no reason not to pursue his strategy and if that means giving up some Haley-Romney upscale suburb votes that might theoretically be winnable for Trump if he had a different message then so be it.

The irony is; Trump is a ivy league educated man himself, he would have nothing in common, He HAS nothing in common with the vast majority of Americans.


It is less about the background than the symbol.  Trump supporters support Trump not because of him but because they hate the people who hate Trump.  At a personal level, I dislike Trump as a person but completely back him against those Ivy League pencil-neck geeks.   And I went to Yale.
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